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Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking
    #2418922 - 03/11/04 01:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Does anybody have any experiences they can relate about getting effects from salvia in any way other than smoking, or in maintaining threshold effects (just below salvia space) for extended periods.

I'd really like to try salvia, but I'm more interested in maintaining a level where I am aware of my surroundings while still keeping one foot in salvia world and maintaining that condition for extended periods.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2418939 - 03/11/04 01:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

what about a salviahuasca? its a new concept. =)


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: felixhigh]
    #2418947 - 03/11/04 01:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Never heard of it. How would an MAOI affect salvia?


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2418988 - 03/11/04 01:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Just use plain leaf and a bong like the one in your sig. or a bubbler. take huge rips and cache the bowl in one hit, repack while holding, immediately hit again. This should get you into the salvia realm at a controllable rate, it has always worked for me


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Organic]
    #2418998 - 03/11/04 02:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I bought Siebert's alcohol extract once, and thought I might have been getting some effects, but it might have just been an extreme placebo effect from the combination of high expectations and sitting in the dark waiting for something to happen.


I'm interested in salvia blotter, and other sublingual methods. Alcohol was a sucky medium. It's hard to absorb anything from your mouth lining when it dilutes down to almost nothing because of a bulging mouthful of spit.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2419667 - 03/11/04 04:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

MAOIs should do to salvinorin the same that they do for tryptamines (psilocin/bin), and most other drugs: to potencialize, and to stretch the effects for a longer period of time.
but i have little to no experience on it.
i think i saw someone on ayahuasca.com forum talking about salvia in the aya...


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: felixhigh]
    #2419865 - 03/11/04 05:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

most other drugs? I hadn't heard about that. I thought it only worked for tryptamines and Phenethylamines. Does it work with weed?

How about cocaine?


What doesn't it work for?


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2419910 - 03/11/04 06:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

An MAOI on salvia.... yikes..... I imagine the only thing you'd want is to come down : )


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2419951 - 03/11/04 06:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Depends. What if you were only halfway up?

There's got to be a comfortable level for salvia.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2419982 - 03/11/04 06:26 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Monoamine Oxidase is an enzyme that oxidizes monoaminated compounds. NH2 --> NO2

Salvinorin A and B do not have any amino groups or even any Nitrogens anywhere in their structure. Thus the Monoamine oxidase enzyme will not break down salvinorin A or B. Therefore inhibiting the MAO enzyme with an inhibitor (MAOI) will also do nothing to the break down of Salvinorin A and B.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: neuro]
    #2419991 - 03/11/04 06:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What about cannabinoids?


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2419999 - 03/11/04 06:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

See above.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2420065 - 03/11/04 06:57 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

no amine or even any nitrogens in cannabinoids


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2420129 - 03/11/04 07:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I have often smoked the leaf with the intent of getting only threshold effects. It's easy, just pack about 1 leaf into your bong/bowl and take it in relatively slowly..a few medium small hits. I think it's great..hightened awareness, feeling good, a weird salvia kind of spacey feel. But Way bellow a salvia trip...in fact, almost nothing like the true trip, just the vaguest hint of the feeling. Smoking a leaf or so mixed with pot leaves me very high...kind of like smoking a Lot of really good pot at once. I tend to feel very spacially aware, which is a nice trippy feeling. I think this would be a good way to introduce yourself to super-weird salvia.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: neuro]
    #2420585 - 03/11/04 09:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

how interesting, on the first times i have managed to take a little caapi it SURE has brought back my fading marihuana high, more than once. i believe perhaps there should be some synergy with salvia too... at least some say there is.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: felixhigh]
    #2421230 - 03/12/04 12:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have a link to people making this claim?


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2422695 - 03/12/04 06:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

take a look on the preparations section of the forums of ayahuasca.com... i'm sure you'll find it out.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2422868 - 03/12/04 09:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

quid. just keep going at it, I mean hours at a time, all night long.  then do a couple of salvia leaf bong hits. no extracts, just leaves, fresh is best but dry is ok. i went into real salvia salvia space, no doubt whatsoever, but it wasn't as short and violent as  doing extrat hits. i understand its the traditional ceremonial way to do it, much mellower and spread out over a 15-20 ms when you break through, instead of the 2-3 ms of the extracts hits. you'll feel a bit sheepish with all the green stuff in your mouth  :laugh:


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: felixhigh]
    #2423012 - 03/12/04 10:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Theoretically it shouldn't work. There's no amine groups on either molecule. MAOIs often have an effect of their own, rue taken on its own produces a slight effect and i'd imagine that the combintaion of a fading marijuana high and a b-carboline high would be synergistic feeling but i'd venture to say that one does not affect the other.


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Re: Threshold salvia effects and salvia other than smoking [Re: neuro]
    #2424463 - 03/12/04 04:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

yes, i do agree with you neuro!
i have just repeated the words of who said to have used them, this is indeed a polemic subject.
anyways, such people claims that the salvia would wear off before the aya experience, that might be a confirmation for the NO SYNERGY theory...


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