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Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! * 2
    #24187288 - 03/23/17 08:37 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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President Vladimir Putin said:
“Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans…That’s why Russia proposes moving towards the creation of a common economic space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean, a community referred to by Russian experts as ‘the Union of Europe’ which will strengthen Russia’s potential in its economic pivot toward the ‘new Asia.’”




Putin has often made his desire to join the EU well known, and I've long had a theory as to why the US would oppose this.  It would make the EU far more powerful economically than the United States.

Now, a journalist who shares my opinion (and brings up a few other good points as well), wrote a good article about it.

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Will Washington Risk WW3 to Block an Emerging EU-Russia Superstate?
"This is why the US State Department joined with the CIA to topple the elected government of Ukraine in 2014."




I understand the rational behind the US doing this, and I'm not even against a US strategy to stop it.  But let's not fool ourselves about what is happening and why.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187300 - 03/23/17 08:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

but trump and putin are super secrete butt buddies and such


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #24187324 - 03/23/17 08:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

The hysteria over Russia is pretty far over the top at this point. And it's very American.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #24187362 - 03/23/17 09:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

There are reports that OP may have visited Russia in the last year and is working on behalf of Putin to forward Russian interests on the shroomery.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods]
    #24187482 - 03/23/17 10:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

also the kgb has a video of trump peeing on a hooker


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187555 - 03/23/17 11:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If I was European, I wouldn't want the cultural successors of the USSR to become the major dominant (military) superpower of Europe either. I'm sure it has (a lot) more to do with the entire history of the Cold War still being pretty fresh, with everyone of prime age to be a major politician in either Europe or Russia being alive during the 1960s through 80s to make Russia being in the EU really possible for several more decades.

If ever. It's hard to argue that Russia could really be a part of the EU given both histories, cultures, geographies. It's not really rational in my mind. The US and Canada are arguably better suited to join the EU, but they aren't for entirely practical reasons - mentally no one would accept it. Mentally, no one is going to believe that Russia or North America were ever truly European at the core despite shared roots, shared borders and shared histories.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods] * 1
    #24187728 - 03/24/17 02:32 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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There are reports that OP may have visited Russia in the last year and is working on behalf of Putin to forward Russian interests on the shroomery.



You should be pleased to learn the shroomery is Putin's #1 target for getting his message out.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187870 - 03/24/17 05:31 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't most of Russia in Asia? Maybe they could join China.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #24188185 - 03/24/17 08:51 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, i'm pretty sure russians have only been "european" for like 500 years.  Before that, i think most or all of russia's european holdings belonged to the swedes and turks.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24188230 - 03/24/17 09:06 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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President Vladimir Putin said:
“Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as Europeans…That’s why Russia proposes moving towards the creation of a common economic space from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean, a community referred to by Russian experts as ‘the Union of Europe’ which will strengthen Russia’s potential in its economic pivot toward the ‘new Asia.’”




Putin has often made his desire to join the EU well known, and I've long had a theory as to why the US would oppose this.  It would make the EU far more powerful economically than the United States.





The eu is already more economically powerful than the us. Russia also isn't a very big economy. why would it want to join a union where it would take second fiddle to Britain, Germany, France and Italy.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods]
    #24188257 - 03/24/17 09:15 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I think his idea is to form his own version of the EU with, of course, him as the leader.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Le_Canard]
    #24188292 - 03/24/17 09:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I just read an article about putins latest victim. He knew he was being hunted, got a bodyguard and he still ended up dead. I have no idea how anyone can defend putin. He's an international terrorist.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods] * 3
    #24188312 - 03/24/17 09:47 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't drink any tea he offered me, that's for sure.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods]
    #24188411 - 03/24/17 10:19 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I just read an article about putins latest victim. He knew he was being hunted, got a bodyguard and he still ended up dead. I have no idea how anyone can defend putin. He's an international terrorist.



You don't know if he was being hunted by Putin or a private citizen, Mr "I Don't Need Proof" man.

The homicide rate in Russia is about 3 times that of the US.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24188777 - 03/24/17 12:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

we need to make ties with Russia...improve both our missile defence and nuclear program, so we can mutually assure our destruction that much more effectively. hell, if Hillary won, we'd already be dead, so....


we need it guys. trust me.



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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24188924 - 03/24/17 01:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I just read an article about putins latest victim. He knew he was being hunted, got a bodyguard and he still ended up dead. I have no idea how anyone can defend putin. He's an international terrorist.



You don't know if he was being hunted by Putin or a private citizen, Mr "I Don't Need Proof" man.

The homicide rate in Russia is about 3 times that of the US.




Gimme a break


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods]
    #24188935 - 03/24/17 01:35 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

You want a break from having to prove your claims?  That figures, Mr "I Don't Need Proof" man.

Your Logical Fallacy Is...


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24188944 - 03/24/17 01:38 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

If you think Putin isn't fond of killing his political opponents despite years of him doing so, then me making the argument is useless. Well just have to agree to disagree that I'm right and you're a Putin sycophant.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods]
    #24188970 - 03/24/17 01:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Putin dindu nuthin.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: koods]
    #24188977 - 03/24/17 01:47 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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If you think Putin isn't fond of killing his political opponents despite years of him doing so, then me making the argument is useless.



Do you have proof that he's the one behind the killings, Mr "I Don't Need Proof" man?

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Well just have to agree to disagree that I'm right and you're a Putin sycophant.



I'll agree you're right after you provide evidence to back up your claims.

I don't know if he did it or not.  Neither do you, but you pretend to.


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