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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Bubbles85]
    #24194178 - 03/26/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey quick question right now.

Why do we see Russia as a superpower?

Are they as strong as we make them seem? Is Putin really all that powerful? They have a shit economy.



I definitely comes down to the power of their military.




Which rivals the Danes... Their power comes from their skill in influence and subversion.

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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: chosenone]
    #24194197 - 03/26/17 09:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

Got a source to back that up?

Whilst i agree Russia's military is not comparable to nato combined (I know you didn't say that, just throwing it out there) they are one of very few country's in the world that has the military capabilities to rival country's like the US.

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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Bubbles85]
    #24194217 - 03/26/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Meh not really, Its hard to get an accurate reading on anything in today's world with out taking someones untrustworthy word.

While Russia conventional weapons cache is impressive and their man power is close to the us I believe, its hard to judge their tech.

What worries me about Putin's build up is the parallels to post Wiemar Germany's build up, and I just cant figure out why we would isolate Russia like that after the fall of the USSR...

I have a feeling it is a powershift to the east orchestrated by the fabian international tendencies. And all I have to back that up is a pattern of history, a feeling, and the recent hard push for Chinese lead globalism.

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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: nhobidy]
    #24194290 - 03/26/17 10:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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oceania has always been at war with eurasia




      Except when Oceania is at war with  Eastasia  and then they have always been at war with Eastasia.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #24194551 - 03/26/17 12:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The u.s. Doesn't play well with others either.  Similarly, we wouldn't be a good fit for the EU




I suppose akira had the best point then:
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Russia is like the US.

that's why... i don't trust Russia.




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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24194633 - 03/26/17 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone here ever read Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novels?  They're pretty good if you can look past the religious allegory.

In the afterword of least one of them (Children of the Mind, maybe?), he discusses his theory of "edge" and "center" nations and their respective national characters.  Under his regime, Russia and the U.S. fall into the "edge" nation category while China and India fall into the "center" nation category.  "edge" nations are always striving for dominance, or to generally prove the superiority of their culture, while "center" nations are themselves convinced of their superiority and thus have less need for conquest etc.  "Center" nations, when conquered, soon absorb and assimilate their oppressors (like mongols in China).  He goes more in depth, and i'm not gonna go find the book right now.  I just thought it seemed relevant to the topic at hand


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24194648 - 03/26/17 12:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone here ever read




I stopped here, because the answer was already clear by then:  No.


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24194654 - 03/26/17 12:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone here ever read Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novels?  They're pretty good if you can look past the religious allegory.

In the afterword of least one of them (Children of the Mind, maybe?), he discusses his theory of "edge" and "center" nations and their respective national characters.  Under his regime, Russia and the U.S. fall into the "edge" nation category while China and India fall into the "center" nation category.  "edge" nations are always striving for dominance, or to generally prove the superiority of their culture, while "center" nations are themselves convinced of their superiority and thus have less need for conquest etc.  "Center" nations, when conquered, soon absorb and assimilate their oppressors (like mongols in China).  He goes more in depth, and i'm not gonna go find the book right now.  I just thought it seemed relevant to the topic at hand




Modern china is a asian supremacist society. The Majority of educated Chinese believe they evolved from homo erectus instead of neanderthals and therefore are smarter then other races and are destined to rule the world in some benevolent globalism?
I think that's how it goes?

So my question is is that a center nation or an edge nation?

Edited by chosenone (03/26/17 12:32 PM)

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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: Enlil]
    #24194679 - 03/26/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:ohyou:


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Re: Putin Wants to Join the EU - He Must Be Stopped! [Re: chosenone]
    #24194685 - 03/26/17 12:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone here ever read Orson Scott Card's sci-fi novels?  They're pretty good if you can look past the religious allegory.

In the afterword of least one of them (Children of the Mind, maybe?), he discusses his theory of "edge" and "center" nations and their respective national characters.  Under his regime, Russia and the U.S. fall into the "edge" nation category while China and India fall into the "center" nation category.  "edge" nations are always striving for dominance, or to generally prove the superiority of their culture, while "center" nations are themselves convinced of their superiority and thus have less need for conquest etc.  "Center" nations, when conquered, soon absorb and assimilate their oppressors (like mongols in China).  He goes more in depth, and i'm not gonna go find the book right now.  I just thought it seemed relevant to the topic at hand




Modern china is a asian supremacist society. The Majority of educated Chinese believe they evolved from homo erectus instead of neanderthals and therefore are smarter then other races and are destined to rule the world in some benevolent globalism?
I think that's how it goes?

So my question is is that a center nation or an edge nation?




I'm no expert.  I only brought it up because i'm too lazy to look through my bookshelves, find the correct novel, and read the afterword.  I was hoping someone else would have a more clear memory of it, and discuss.

I would say that if the Chinese are relying on destiny, that probably leans more towards the "center" nation concept.

Edit: I'm pretty sure both groups are supposed to feel superior, but one has to prove it, while the other just takes it as a given.


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