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PirateSwazey


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50lb Rye Prep 7
#24186465 - 03/23/17 03:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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How I Prep a 50lb Bag of Rye:
My pot is a stainless steel 30 gallon brewing kettle with a ball valve at the bottom. These pots are somewhat expensive, about equal to the price of an AA pressure cooker.

It has a "false bottom" in it that allows me to drain the water from the bottom without letting any grain pass through.

After a 24 hour soak & bringing the grain to a boil, I drain the water then scoop it out with a gallon container with a handle & dry it over this 36" x 54" home made strainer, which sits on a couple sawhorses over 2 box fans.

At the bottom of the pot there is always a little water left.

So I dry the last couple scoops in a regular strainer sitting in a 5 gallon bucket.

This makes 16-20 4 quart spawn bags, or around 80 quart jars of grain in about 2 hours.
Edited by PirateSwazey (08/05/17 07:19 PM)
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thats dopesauce swazey! imma have to get me one of those brewing kettles
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Thanks man! Been using it for a long awhile now. Thing will probably out live me.
It saves a lot of time if you go through a bunch of grain though.
Some days I will prep 100 or 150lbs of dry grain & soak the extra bags in 5 gallon buckets, 4 buckets per 50lb bag
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thats awesome! i need something similar but a smaller application. 150lbs of grain at once is a lot of spawn
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Re: 50lb Rye Prep [Re: mushboy]
#24186529 - 03/23/17 03:46 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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They make smaller kettles that you can fit a false bottom in, but it doesn't save a whole lot of money to go that route.
I also use my pot to boil water for making a lot of coir subs at once. Since it has a thermometer built in it is also great for pasteurizing straw, poo, or casings.
If you get into making spawn bags grain goes pretty quick!
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PirateSwazey said: Thanks man! Been using it for a long awhile now. Thing will probably out live me.
It saves a lot of time if you go through a bunch of grain though.
Some days I will prep 100 or 150lbs of dry grain & soak the extra bags in 5 gallon buckets, 4 buckets per 50lb bag 
thats so dope, im getting one for sure, today if i wasnt so busy with my new hood (800 plates overdue for transfers that were waitin on my hood build lol)

hahaha.... "and to my beloved grandson, i leave my AA pressure cooker, a brew kettle, and a trailer full of premium horse dung" theyll be stoked
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c10h12n2o said: "and to my beloved grandson, i leave my AA pressure cooker, a brew kettle, and a trailer full of premium horse dung" theyll be stoked
LMAO! 
That is an insane amount of plates my dude!
Between all of my edible stuff, regular cube work & lil side projects I probably never have more than 30 going at a time!
Got any plans for those extra blowers? If not, I'm sure there's a couple dudes lurking the marketplace who'd love to take them off your hands
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Man I gotta say that is really clever to be using that piece of equipment for this application!
Really cool of you to share this thanks
I have some hippy friends who have land and apparently some $ that seem pretty serious about growing edible/medicinal mushrooms. I haven't been able to really feel out if they know what all they are doing but they asked if I'd like to help , which sounds pretty fun.
So Ive been keeping an eye out for practical ideas that might help them out. This is going in the notebook hehe
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Re: 50lb Rye Prep [Re: mushpunx]
#24186612 - 03/23/17 04:13 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks punx & you're welcome! I figured it was about time I started leaving some bread crumbs for the future folk 
Anyhoo with edibles you don't necessarily need to prep so much grain because you can easily supplement the substrates, requiring much less spawn to go the distance. One 4qt grain bag can inoculate 40 supplemented sawdust blocks!
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PirateSwazey said: Thanks punx & you're welcome! I figured it was about time I started leaving some bread crumbs for the future folk 
Anyhoo with edibles you don't necessarily need to prep so much grain because you can easily supplement the substrates, requiring much less spawn to go the distance. One 4qt grain bag can inoculate 40 supplemented sawdust blocks!
Ahh well yea I know next to nothing about the legitimate mushroom world So maybe I'll tuck this one away for myself instead haha
You know I used to work in a warehouse that sold resturaunt supplies, Ive seen some fuckin huge stock pots with faucet fixtures at the bottom. They aren't cheap though and they don't have that nice false bottom. But it might not be too hard to modify a very large cheaper stock pot into something like this that would be more practical for people like me who do grain prep in the kitchen.
For example those Turkey Fryers are basically 30 quart stock pots with a spigot at the bottom, you can get them pretty cheap 50$ or so
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Re: 50lb Rye Prep [Re: mushpunx]
#24186644 - 03/23/17 04:31 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definitely! You can find the false bottoms in different sizes, just check brewery supply stores online. You'll want a ball valve that has a barb to match the size of the hose which fits on the false bottom. 10/10 would recommend ordering those 2 pieces together
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one of those blowers has already been turned into a hood, thats a good idea for the other one though, i will probably do that, its a 1/2 hp, 120v... took me forever to find salvaged ones in 120v (i set up saved searches in craigslist with email alerts and scripts automatically making offers haha...), more than once people had no idea what they had, listing 240v as 120v and shit
i recently relocated, at my old location i was doing over a hundred plates a day for several months (zero exaggeration) hahaha.... more than a case (500ct) per week, it got ridiculous.. i kept adding new cultures, until i basically wasnt sleeping haha..
i had a solid custom SAB set up with a server streaming documentaries into my SAB lol.... i fuckin lived in that thing. i have lots of interesting stuff waiting to be tested. when i moved, had over 800 currently between transfers, and had to use a database to keep track of them and their various traits. was planning to build a new SAB immediately at new location, but decided to build the hood i had been dreamin of instead, so now i have a bunch of work to do with those plates that have been overdue for transfers (had em chilling to slow em down)
i keep telling my significant other that i am going to eventually reduce the total number of cultures im working with, but she doesnt believe me, and she is probably right haha.... need some robots lol
here is a random pic of a plate (nothin special), you can see in the bg my old setup, with elevated rack above towel, tablet, and a shitton of plates, this was an every day thing for months... when i got into agar i got kinda obsessed with the potential applications
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Fuck yeah! Thanks for posting that, good stuff man
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Holy SHIT. Now I feel really small....
Seriously, wow I have a long way to go. I just poured 30 plates and felt like I was doing something....
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Re: 50lb Rye Prep [Re: CapnZ]
#24186970 - 03/23/17 06:35 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol agar is addictive... careful, you might end up with an 800 plate gorilla on your back as well 
kinda overboard to be honest, every few weeks i was throwing away a few thousand plates, only focusing on the interesting stuff, having to cull less promising looking plates due to sheer volume
ill tell you like SLH told me: "just focus on 1 variety at a time, you are overestimating your work ethic"... 
he was wrong about my work ethic, but totally right about the insanity of doing active agar work with multiple varieties and trying to isolate some and test some and sleep occasionally... its like no matter how much you get done, there is sooooo much you arent getting done, so many ways it could be better, or provide more meaningful data. i often do multiple plates from the same sample, and it is astounding how differently they can turn out. im fascinated by the dynamics of what makes strains and groups of strains distinguish themselves vs organizing
the really tedious part has been keeping my databases updated for all the different cultures... and tbh, i wonder how much merit some of it has... i have often regretted starting so many, because my obsessive ass doesnt have the heart to abandon some of them that are 70 transfers in, even though i could get an isolate much faster now by using serial dillutions / proper streaking... i need to finish a bunch of projects so that i can start working with some new stuff on my to-do list
i look forward to getting some truly meaningful datapoints by testing isolates in automated/controlled conditions, and automate the data input for some traits, so that i could analyze patterns over lots of samples
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Have you ever used tri plates bro?

You can get a lot more experiments done in a single dish.
Sometimes I run out and just use a regular dish with 3 wedges, same placement as I would on a tri plate.
Have to stay on top of them when doing this of course, otherwise the myc will knit together.
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yep, i love em! especially for clones on the initial plate, gives me lots more to choose from for the first transfers
i do the same, splittin up normal ones when im out, but i try to keep 2x 500ct cases of normal dishes and 1x 500ct Y plates
sometimes i do multiple plates of the same sample too, its amazing how different they can turn out, how different strains and strain groups distinguish themselves and interact, its fascinating
youre exactly right, gotta keep an eye on those, there is less wiggle room time-wise, so i try to use single plates especially late in the transfers of aggressive cultures, otherwise i wouldnt have time to sleep haha...
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Nice fucking pot Pirate, that's what I'm talking about
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Re: 50lb Rye Prep [Re: Josex]
#24187128 - 03/23/17 07:40 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice! I use x plates btw:
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Yep pretty crazy how many different expressions you can get from a single spore germination.
I've been growing mostly wikidzon for years and took it back to spore a few months ago. The results I've been seeing lately have blown me away because I've been so used to seeing fat stems with big dark caps forever, but the new stuff from MS has shown cambodian pointy hats, orangey caps, shit flushes, huge flushes... just amazing. Just when you think you know someone 
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