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InvisibleSemilanceata
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UPDATED: Alqaeda bombings in Madrid (Spain)
    #2418340 - 03/11/04 08:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Incredible shit happened today. This morning at 7:30 am, ETA exploded several bombs in 3 different train stations. Aprox. 150 people got killed by this motherfuckers and they were not soldiers, police, neither politicians. Just civil people that were taking the train to get to work, school or wherever. People that work hard to pay their bills, people that sustain Spain?s economy.
One of the bombs exploded 300 meters from my house, in a train station I go every fucking day to take a train that gets me to my working place. I feel like a lucky motherfucker, but sad at the same time. We should kill this basque assholes, today, right now.



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Edited by Semilanceata (03/14/04 06:31 AM)


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2418427 - 03/11/04 09:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Glad you are okay. It looks real bad on the news.
Nobody knows for sure if it was eta or not.

Eta and Basque separatism in Spain


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Xochitl]
    #2418454 - 03/11/04 10:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes right, I?m really confused cause not long ago ETA dome said they were not going to kill any civilian, just politicians, police or military (they shouldn?t kill those neither!!!!). TV, which I shouldn?t trust, says ETA is responsible for this bombings.
Who the fuck knows? Weird world this one we are living on.

EDIT: Aprox. 180 people killed.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2419005 - 03/11/04 02:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Apparently this in an analysis by Stratfor:

ETA has used bombs in the past, but always has called in advance to warn that bombs were going off so civilian deaths and injuries would be minimized. ETA has always been politically sensitive to the fact that if it started killing large numbers of civilians many Spaniards would turn against ETA -- as would many Basque nationalists -- because wholesale massacres would hurt Basque hopes for autonomy and independence from Madrid. These attacks, and the fact that Madrid rushed to blame ETA, already have hurt Basque nationalist hopes. The Batasuna spokesman blamed Arab Resistance, a little-known group that Osama bin Laden reportedly has mentioned in tapes, so the possibility that this was Islamic militants is high. Spain did support the war on Iraq, as did Italy, so if this was Islamic militants then we should anticipate attacks of this kind in Italy as well.

I wonder if today being the 11th has any significance. My condolences by the way.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2419112 - 03/11/04 02:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

another shitty day :frown:
i was lost all day...
sorry for all those people,sorry for humanity


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InvisibleSemilanceata
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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Edame]
    #2419265 - 03/11/04 03:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Edame said:
I wonder if today being the 11th has any significance. My condolences by the way.




I?ve been thinking the same thing all day long, what I don?t understand well is why they didn?t explode with the bombs like they usually do, I mean the terrorists.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2419327 - 03/11/04 03:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Let's not forget ETA did not admit this terrorrist attack yet.

And judjing from what i have been hearing in the news here in portugal, this attack was different from the usual ETA attacks.

So it may not have been ETA. After all your prime minister was in Lages summit with Bush and Blair preparing the war on Iraq.

Whoever did it should die  :mad:, in that i agree with you. My sincere condolences to the spanish people  :frown:.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2419614 - 03/11/04 04:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Spain Says Suspect Van Had Arabic Tapes
Thu Mar 11, 2004 02:51 PM ET

MADRID (Reuters) - Spain's interior minister said a suspect van had been found on Thursday near Madrid, scene of bombings that killed 190 people, containing seven detonators and a tape in Arabic language.
Interior Minister Angel Acebes said the tape had recordings of verses from the Koran.

Spain has so far attributed the attack to Basque separatists, but Acebes' remarks appeared to raise the possibility of a link to Islamist militants.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Evolving]
    #2420258 - 03/11/04 07:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:nonono: :nonono:

Quote:

'We bombed trains' claims al-Qaida

Press Association
Friday March 12, 2004 12:28 AM

The Arabic newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi has said it had received a claim of responsibility for the Madrid train bombings issued by The Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri in the name of al Qaida.

The claim received by email at the paper's London offices said the brigade's "death squad" had penetrated "one of the pillars of the crusade alliance, Spain".

The claim said: "This is part of settling old accounts with Spain, the crusader, and America's ally in its war against Islam."

Referring to Spain's Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, the statement asked: "Aznar, where is America? Who will protect you, Britain, Japan, Italy and others from us?"

The newspaper faxed the claim to The Associated Press office in Cairo.

The message referred to last year's attack on Italian paramilitary police serving in the US-led coalition in Iraq.

"When we attacked the Italian troops in Nassiriyah and sent you and America's agents an ultimatum to withdraw from the anti-Islam alliance, you did not understand the the message. Now we have made it clear and hope that this time you will understand," the statement said.

"We, at the Abu Hafs brigades, have not felt sad for the so-called civilians," the statement added, in an apparent reference to the hundreds of casualties in today's attacks in Madrid.

"Is it OK for you to kill our children, women, old people and youth in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and Kashmir? And is it forbidden to us to kill yours?" the claim asked.




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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Edame]
    #2420327 - 03/11/04 08:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder if today being the 11th has any significance. My condolences by the way.

March 11, 2004 is actually 911 days since September 11, 2001.

Fun with numbers! The mark of the Illuminati? Or just clever terrorists?


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2420332 - 03/11/04 08:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Spain was part of the 'coalition of the willing'. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?

since they didnt call in beforehand and killed civilians when they said they wouldnt, it seems likely that it was not the ETA, no? not to mention why would they do such a thing and not claim it in order to scare citizens into letting the basque people go. haven't the eta claimed bombings in the past?


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Tao]
    #2420501 - 03/11/04 09:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quite obviously, this is another attempt by the bush adminstration to get oil from the spanish trains. IF you can't see this, you are blind.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: ]
    #2420651 - 03/11/04 09:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Actually it's 912, because of the leap year this year :wink:


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: trendal]
    #2420810 - 03/11/04 10:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Strange, I included the leap day and counted 911. Oh well.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: ]
    #2420826 - 03/11/04 10:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Are you not counting 9/11/01 as a day? I think I did, that might be the difference.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: ]
    #2422357 - 03/12/04 05:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html

Using 9-11-2001 as the first entry and 3-11-2004 as the second makes it 912 days.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Edame]
    #2422790 - 03/12/04 08:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Edame said:
:nonono: :nonono:

Quote:


"We, at the Abu Hafs brigades, have not felt sad for the so-called civilians," the statement added, in an apparent reference to the hundreds of casualties in today's attacks in Madrid.

"Is it OK for you to kill our children, women, old people and youth in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and Kashmir? And is it forbidden to us to kill yours?" the claim asked.







Probably many people are suffering the same kind of violent acts in Iraq, Palestina, Afganistan and Kashmir (just trying to understand this tremendous brutality). I think that no matter where it happens the victims are always the same: innocent civilians, and I?m fucking sick of this.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Semilanceata]
    #2422822 - 03/12/04 09:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I know what you mean, I can even understand the (flawed) logic they're using (an eye for an eye), but murdering people still solves nothing. :frown:

Don't you have elections there in a few days?  I wonder how this will affect the outcome.  I was always under the impression that there was widespread opposition to the Iraq war in Spain, but that the government joined the invasion anyway.  If Al-Qaeda (or a supported faction) is responsible for the attack, it looks like a case of reaping what you sow, quite unsettling as the threat hints at a UK attack too.
With Aznar so quick to blame ETA, I wonder if public opinion (and the election) could go against them if this is seen as a direct result of Spain's pro-war doctrine.

Do you have any insights into the public and media reactions so far?


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Edame]
    #2422983 - 03/12/04 10:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We have elections on Sunday. I think government will delay the authority (names of the responsible) of these bombings cause they don?t want to loose the elections. If our government says right now that Alqaeda is responsible, they will be fucked cause it?s like saying: "Yes, I invaded a country in the name of Spain to save you from some bad guys that probablly owned some nuclear/bacterilog...? weapons that were never discovered". IMO, it?s Alqaeda.
ETA did never act like this in the past, not even when they were strong enough to do so. I?m sick of all this shit, everything is fucking rotten in this world.


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Re: ETA bombings in Madrid (Spain) [Re: Edame]
    #2423738 - 03/12/04 01:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Edame said:
I know what you mean, I can even understand the (flawed) logic they're using (an eye for an eye), but murdering people still solves nothing. :frown:

Don't you have elections there in a few days?  I wonder how this will affect the outcome.  I was always under the impression that there was widespread opposition to the Iraq war in Spain, but that the government joined the invasion anyway.  If Al-Qaeda (or a supported faction) is responsible for the attack, it looks like a case of reaping what you sow, quite unsettling as the threat hints at a UK attack too.
With Aznar so quick to blame ETA, I wonder if public opinion (and the election) could go against them if this is seen as a direct result of Spain's pro-war doctrine.

Do you have any insights into the public and media reactions so far?




unfortunately..RANTs pathetic attempt at sarcasm might not be too far off the mark..except for the part about stealing oil from the (electric) spanish trains ..

Quote:

Quite obviously, this is another attempt by the bush adminstration to get oil from the spanish trains. IF you can't see this, you are blind.




but supposing that the blame can be narrowed down to either al-Q and/or the ETA..in either case..it will work to the political advantage of the neocon government(s) of bush and anzar...and it makes perfect sense that bush would blow up something else..now that he's behind in the polls..and at the same time return the favour to anzar for backing his expansionist policies...

the ETA has denied responsibility for the blasts..and al-Q has all the earmarks of an emannuel goldstein front...OBL is prolly in US  custody too...if so..the only remaining suspects are anzar and bush...

EDIT: the proof will be if either bush..anzar..or both increase their standing in the polls as a result of this attack...


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