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TempestDnB
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I don't agree with your reasoning.
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AuroraBorealis88
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: TempestDnB]
#24133464 - 03/03/17 11:33 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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But how is it logical when you can't apply another drug to it? That proves that it's not just the side effect you're talking about but that it is in fact the drug. And that deflates the reasoning.
I don't see how LSD isn't safer than cannabis when it's already statistically known to be and it poises much less potential for abuse. You can abuse anything to the point of misery and pain, it's much more of a statistical likelihood not a hypothetical jerk off.
If proper use of LSD can be safer and more beneficial than proper use of cannabis then how is it not safer? In some cases I say not taking LSD is actually more dangerous than taking it. They gave LSD to schizophrenics in the 60s and it made them better.. That doesn't really happen with THC.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Wesker]
#24133577 - 03/03/17 12:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hahaha... Please don't. LSD versus heroin... Let's not go muddying the waters here with heroin... No good will come from that...
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heatlessbbq
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Steveinshell]
#24171403 - 03/18/17 01:12 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Turtletotem
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: heatlessbbq]
#24171731 - 03/18/17 08:26 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had some really dope after effects from a very intense shroom trip once. Like, birds where signs of the future and if I focus on a patternit would become wavy, lamp posts send out rainbows kind of dope.
It went away though and didnt leave any traces behind. But that one heron I saw this morning deffinetly means I should adopt a more meditative stance on things.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Turtletotem]
#24172638 - 03/18/17 03:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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This argument's kind of dumb, 'safe' is subjective, the question should be safe/dangerous in what way? Most drugs are pretty safe when compared to the slew of activities people do every day, few drugs are actually toxic in any way at all, few even have the potential to kill you at even very high doses, opiates and alcohol are the only exceptions that come to mind. Dissociatives, benzos, alcohol, and amphetamines, including mdma, are the only ones I can think of that are neurotoxic and the average user of any of those is far from mentally handicapped, you really have to abuse any of them to cause much damage. You're probably killing more brain cells by pumping gas.
If it weren't for death from respiratory suppression heroin would be extremely safe for all the hate it's getting here, and most people that do die it isn't directly bc of the heroin, but because the purity is not controlled since it's stepped on so much so they overshoot their dose when a stronger batch comes around, not to mention all that fentanyl going around.
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FckingNameless
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: krypto2000]
#24174064 - 03/19/17 07:04 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: FckingNameless] 1
#24174258 - 03/19/17 09:22 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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That study seems highly suspect. They can't write in english and start off by calling mushrooms an addictive substance. Their test consists of giving a well below threshold dose to rats, 10-30 times less than the average recreational dose, and then claiming it is cardiotoxic. If it were so cardiotoxic at a dose equivalent to about 100mg of mushrooms fruit bodies then everyone here would all be long dead.
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thetechnician


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: krypto2000]
#24174485 - 03/19/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by thetechnician (07/13/20 01:11 PM)
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FckingNameless
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: krypto2000]
#24182555 - 03/22/17 08:41 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: That study seems highly suspect. They can't write in english and start off by calling mushrooms an addictive substance. Their test consists of giving a well below threshold dose to rats, 10-30 times less than the average recreational dose, and then claiming it is cardiotoxic. If it were so cardiotoxic at a dose equivalent to about 100mg of mushrooms fruit bodies then everyone here would all be long dead.
the HED(human equivalent dose) is well below that, around 100-300 times below threshold/recreative levels or 13mg dried cubensis for a 80kg person
and it's not saying you'll get a cardiac arrest, qualitatively its more like the long term effect bacon has on your arteries/heart
Edited by FckingNameless (03/22/17 08:45 AM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: krypto2000]
#24182592 - 03/22/17 08:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: This argument's kind of dumb, 'safe' is subjective, the question should be safe/dangerous in what way? Most drugs are pretty safe when compared to the slew of activities people do every day, few drugs are actually toxic in any way at all, few even have the potential to kill you at even very high doses, opiates and alcohol are the only exceptions that come to mind. Dissociatives, benzos, alcohol, and amphetamines, including mdma, are the only ones I can think of that are neurotoxic and the average user of any of those is far from mentally handicapped, you really have to abuse any of them to cause much damage. You're probably killing more brain cells by pumping gas.
If it weren't for death from respiratory suppression heroin would be extremely safe for all the hate it's getting here, and most people that do die it isn't directly bc of the heroin, but because the purity is not controlled since it's stepped on so much so they overshoot their dose when a stronger batch comes around, not to mention all that fentanyl going around.
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