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PopaCap
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A fully colonized jar is when all but your top layer of dry verm is covered with mycelium. If the jars are within a few days/week of each other, just wait until the last jar is colonized and birth all of them together a week later. If they’re way far apart, just birth them as they’re ready. The process is the same once they make it to the FC.
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: PopaCap]
#26384426 - 12/16/19 02:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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PopaCap said: A fully colonized jar is when all but your top layer of dry verm is covered with mycelium. If the jars are within a few days/week of each other, just wait until the last jar is colonized and birth all of them together a week later. If they’re way far apart, just birth them as they’re ready. The process is the same once they make it to the FC.
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
#26453873 - 01/26/20 04:59 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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once the jars are inoculated how important is lighting has anyone done an experiment with mycelium growth with and without light ?
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it shouldn't matter to much. just find a shelf in your house and let em ride. they do have a Circadian rhythm so light is preferred.
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Updated Pf Tek Guide Ziran's Teks AMU Q&A Thread The Chinese word for nature is zìrán and it means that of which is of itself.

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
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New here. Just curious, can someone elaborate on the perlite and how it's used? The instructions weren't clear enough for me. Thank you!
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qwertyu12345 said: New here. Just curious, can someone elaborate on the perlite and how it's used? The instructions weren't clear enough for me. Thank you!
the perlite is used within a specific type of fruiting chamber.
The chamber in question is the Shotgun Styled Fruit Chamber (SGFC)
The way the chamber is designed, it has alot of holes in it, basically swiss cheesed style lol. and The perlite is placed into the bottom, and then we make it wet. This will when air comes into the chamber via the bottom holes, it makes the chamber more humid.
-------------------- Song Of Healing
Updated Pf Tek Guide Ziran's Teks AMU Q&A Thread The Chinese word for nature is zìrán and it means that of which is of itself.

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
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So does that mean if you use the Monotub chamber, you won't need any perlite?
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
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Ziran said:
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qwertyu12345 said: New here. Just curious, can someone elaborate on the perlite and how it's used? The instructions weren't clear enough for me. Thank you!
the perlite is used within a specific type of fruiting chamber.
The chamber in question is the Shotgun Styled Fruit Chamber (SGFC)
The way the chamber is designed, it has alot of holes in it, basically swiss cheesed style lol. and The perlite is placed into the bottom, and then we make it wet. This will when air comes into the chamber via the bottom holes, it makes the chamber more humid.
So does that mean if you use the monotub chamber you won't need any perlite?
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Hi guys!
First post here and first of all big thanks to everyone who has contributed here its been a good thread!
But now I got a questions. Situation is as in the picture. Not all jars fully colonized yet but one of them already getting quite long pins like in the second jar. Also the last jar has pins already even though it's not fully colonized. It seems that unluckily the jars are too densely packed so the bottoms are preeetty thick stuff to take over and hence seems like the colonization has stopped.
How should I proceed?
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: MushElf] 1
#26467071 - 02/03/20 04:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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qwertyu12345 said:
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Ziran said:
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qwertyu12345 said: New here. Just curious, can someone elaborate on the perlite and how it's used? The instructions weren't clear enough for me. Thank you!
the perlite is used within a specific type of fruiting chamber.
The chamber in question is the Shotgun Styled Fruit Chamber (SGFC)
The way the chamber is designed, it has alot of holes in it, basically swiss cheesed style lol. and The perlite is placed into the bottom, and then we make it wet. This will when air comes into the chamber via the bottom holes, it makes the chamber more humid.
So does that mean if you use the monotub chamber you won't need any perlite?
yes. that is correct. If you wanna go a non-perlite route, I would use the Humidity Chamber.
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MushElf said: Hi guys!
First post here and first of all big thanks to everyone who has contributed here its been a good thread!
But now I got a questions. Situation is as in the picture. Not all jars fully colonized yet but one of them already getting quite long pins like in the second jar. Also the last jar has pins already even though it's not fully colonized. It seems that unluckily the jars are too densely packed so the bottoms are preeetty thick stuff to take over and hence seems like the colonization has stopped.
How should I proceed?

If you can birth them, rinse off the uncolonized portions and fruit them as normal. If you can't just top fruit them in your fruiting chamber.
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Updated Pf Tek Guide Ziran's Teks AMU Q&A Thread The Chinese word for nature is zìrán and it means that of which is of itself.

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
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what is the difference between perlite and vericulite for the fruiting chamber? I had good luck using vermiculite in the past...
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: cuibono123]
#26477878 - 02/10/20 01:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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cuibono123 said: what is the difference between perlite and vericulite for the fruiting chamber? I had good luck using vermiculite in the past...
verm is usually used in a substrate. perlite isnt used in your substrate at all.
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
#26479336 - 02/10/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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but can verm be used in shotgun?
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: cuibono123]
#26479494 - 02/11/20 02:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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cuibono123 said: but can verm be used in shotgun?
I know we use verm mixed with coir inside the humidity chamber. verm is what we use to make cakes. we also roll our cakes in verm once the dunk of the cake is complete.
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran] 2
#26486898 - 02/15/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey Ziran
I've got 12 jars finishing colonization. As they approach 100% colonization I'm preparing for the next stages. I think I've got the Dunk and Roll part figured out. Doesn't look too complicated.
But after that I'm having some doubts. Regarding the fruiting stage I want to be precise and know exactly what I should be doing.
So I read and read posts from multiple TC's and I've come up with a plan that more or less is in agreement with what they have written on this forum. But there might be some mistakes. So here it goes:
AFTER THE CAKES ARE DUNKED, ROLLED AND PLACED INTO THE SGFC:
1. SGFC should be about 10 cm above the surface of the table using 6 upside down 1/2 pint jars for example. The SGFC should not be against any walls in order for air currents to go through it thus increasing FAE. Temperature should be between 68F and 72F. Use an oil heater connected to a thermostat in order to maintain this temperature in the room.
2. After dunk and roll wait between 12h and 24h before applying the first mist so that the vermiculite sticks to the cakes properly.
3. Misting should be done like so: Use the spray bottle about 30cm from above the cakes. The water droplets should be as thin as possible. Mist the cakes directly until they glisten with moisture. Also mist the perlite so it can maintain it's humidity capabilities. Always try to avoid misting the walls of the SGFC. After misting use the lid to fan the terrarium for about 30 seconds in order to remove excess CO2 and also to allow the water on the cakes to begin evaporation which is a major pinning trigger.
4. Always check in the morning before work, late afternoon and before bed if the cakes are hydrated and glistening with moisture. If not apply misting as described in step 3 until they do.
5. A 6500K light fluorescent bulb is placed 50 cm above the SGFC. It should be turned on in the morning before work and turned off after coming home. Thus a 12h +- light cycle is applied.
6. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until first signs of fruiting are visible: hyphal knots. At this point the amount of water when misting must be reduced to just enough to keep a healthy level of humidity inside the SGFC, not below 90%.
7. After the hyphal knots have become pins +- 1cm long introduce water into the foil dishes where the cakes are placed on. This is explained in the Bottom Watering TEK by CBK.
8. At this stage increase the amount of water when misting. Be careful not to let the pins become too wet. After misting fanning is required in order for amount of water on the mushrooms to evaporate. It also is possible to not close the SGFC with the lid for 1 hour or so in order to promote increased FAE.
9. Step 8 should be repeated about 3 times or whenever possible / necessary every day. Start harvesting as soon as the mushrooms start to break the veil.
So where are the mistakes and what can be improved here?
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: goatchild] 1
#26486912 - 02/15/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You won’t know till you try it! That’s half the fun is figuring out what works for you and what doesn’t. Sounds like you’ve got a good base knowledge of what your doing and that is more then most people
Go for it Goat! You got this!!
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: goatchild]
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Top notch research there. Damn 
Well done
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: goatchild]
#26487831 - 02/16/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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goatchild said: Hey Ziran
I've got 12 jars finishing colonization. As they approach 100% colonization I'm preparing for the next stages. I think I've got the Dunk and Roll part figured out. Doesn't look too complicated.
But after that I'm having some doubts. Regarding the fruiting stage I want to be precise and know exactly what I should be doing.
So I read and read posts from multiple TC's and I've come up with a plan that more or less is in agreement with what they have written on this forum. But there might be some mistakes. So here it goes:
AFTER THE CAKES ARE DUNKED, ROLLED AND PLACED INTO THE SGFC:
1. SGFC should be about 10 cm above the surface of the table using 6 upside down 1/2 pint jars for example. The SGFC should not be against any walls in order for air currents to go through it thus increasing FAE. Temperature should be between 68F and 72F. Use an oil heater connected to a thermostat in order to maintain this temperature in the room.
2. After dunk and roll wait between 12h and 24h before applying the first mist so that the vermiculite sticks to the cakes properly.
3. Misting should be done like so: Use the spray bottle about 30cm from above the cakes. The water droplets should be as thin as possible. Mist the cakes directly until they glisten with moisture. Also mist the perlite so it can maintain it's humidity capabilities. Always try to avoid misting the walls of the SGFC. After misting use the lid to fan the terrarium for about 30 seconds in order to remove excess CO2 and also to allow the water on the cakes to begin evaporation which is a major pinning trigger.
4. Always check in the morning before work, late afternoon and before bed if the cakes are hydrated and glistening with moisture. If not apply misting as described in step 3 until they do.
5. A 6500K light fluorescent bulb is placed 50 cm above the SGFC. It should be turned on in the morning before work and turned off after coming home. Thus a 12h +- light cycle is applied.
6. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until first signs of fruiting are visible: hyphal knots. At this point the amount of water when misting must be reduced to just enough to keep a healthy level of humidity inside the SGFC, not below 90%.
7. After the hyphal knots have become pins +- 1cm long introduce water into the foil dishes where the cakes are placed on. This is explained in the Bottom Watering TEK by CBK.
8. At this stage increase the amount of water when misting. Be careful not to let the pins become too wet. After misting fanning is required in order for amount of water on the mushrooms to evaporate. It also is possible to not close the SGFC with the lid for 1 hour or so in order to promote increased FAE.
9. Step 8 should be repeated about 3 times or whenever possible / necessary every day. Start harvesting as soon as the mushrooms start to break the veil.
So where are the mistakes and what can be improved here?
all looks good, the only thing I don't do is fan the chamber. it has a billion holes in it. it shouldn't build up c02
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Updated Pf Tek Guide Ziran's Teks AMU Q&A Thread The Chinese word for nature is zìrán and it means that of which is of itself.

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
#26488446 - 02/16/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks guys! I'll use this plan and then see how the cakes react to FAE. Will fan if I see them too wet. Will not fan if I see the constant FAE is enough.
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: goatchild]
#26488454 - 02/16/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Taking the lid off when you mist is as good as fanning. If the SGFC is setup correctly no need to fan.
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