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Updated PF Tek Guide * 64
    #24179086 - 03/21/17 12:23 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Updated PF-Tek Guide 2017 Edition



Before we begin I personally feel that we need an update on the Pf-tek guide. This is that guide. Those old guides don't use an SAB or they use a Glovebox. Now it is to be noted that you don't technically need an SAB for Pf-Tek it's just recommended and can increase your success rate. It is also good practice for those who are going to eventually get into agar.

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Step 1: Gather Supplies

We need the following items

  • Vermiculite - Verm
  • Brown Rice Flour - BRF
  • 4 oz or 8 oz mason jars
  • Hammer and Nail
  • Pressure Cooker or Steamer
  • SAB - Still Air Box
  • Fruiting Chamber - SGFC or Monotub
  • Alcohol Lamp, Torch, or lighter
  • Perlite
  • Tin Foil
  • Spray Bottle
  • Drill and a 1/4" Drill Bit or Soldering Iron (Making Holes in your SGFC)
  • 70% ISO Alcohol
  • Soap & Water Spray Bottle
  • 5000k to 6500k Light Bulb
  • 24 hour timer 12 on 12 off timer
  • Spore Syringe or Liquid Culture or Liquid Inoculate


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Step 2: Lets make some Lids & Load some Jars

It's time to load up our jars. The ratio is 2:1:1 - That means 2 parts Verm 1 Part BRF 1 Part Water. You can do any ammount you want as long as you stick to this ratio. So the up scaling is 4:2:2 8:4:4 and so on. I use cups. So in my case it'd be 2 cups verm 1 cup BRF and 1 cup water. If you are doing edibles here is an edibles formula by CH Hell. Edible Cakes

Procedure:

1. Prep our lids.
This is very simple, Take a hammer and a nail and drive 2 or 4 holes in the lids of your jars. I do mine like so.



I have found that it really doesn't matter if you have 2 or 4 holes. The only difference really is inoculation points. CBK Suggests using 1 hole in the center of the lid so you use less spore solution and once you see colonization you know the cake is almost ready.


2. Take two cups of verm and place it in a mixing container.



We want to achieve an ideal water content. Known as Field Capacity. I usually squeeze my verm until only a few drops of water comes out. I find that with these measurements though Field Capacity is met after adding the BRF

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Once you add the BRF in it absorbs the excess water usually. I'd do a squeeze after adding the brf and mixing throughly. see whatcha get then

The purpose of those verm squeezes is to help new people identify what field capacity looks like. Cause its gonna look the same for Hpoo, coir, cpoo ect. the only difference will be the amount of water each material can hold.





Way Over Field Capacity



Over Field Capacity



At Field Capacity



3. Add 1 cup of water to the mixing bowl and mix thoroughly.



4. Add 1 cup of Brown Rice Flour and mix thoroughly



5. Load up our jars with our BRF-Verm Mixture to the band line. When loading them, don't pack the mixture down. It needs to be light a fluffy.



6. Add our dry verm layer

To get it nice and even I use my finger and swipe it across after filling the jar over full like in the gif below. :thumbup:



7. Add Lid and Foil em up



cronicr's container Method

Instead of using mason jars, you can follow conicer's method --->here<----

Borrowed his images and he mixes everything just like I do in the above steps, except he loads them into these modified containers from the dollar store.



Then he preps his lids with a soldering iron. One hole in each corner, and one in the center.



Then he loads them up



Adds some dry verm ontop.



And levels it out and puts the lid on.



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Now with normal jars I would simply cover with foil and pressure cook it but pp5 containers tend to condensate a lot so with these I always put micropore tape over the holes, with this I skip the foil all together and just pressure cook for 60 minutes.
I have fruited these in food saver bags shotgun fruiting chambers shoeboxes ECT I've even just put another container and used like mini dub tubs.




It's time for sterilization

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Step 3: Sterilizing

Steaming - Taken from this guide here EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes

Procedure:

1. Line the bottom of your pot with spare jar rings as shown.
2. Add water to the top of your layer of jar rings. You want 1-2 inches of water.



3. Place your layer of folded tinfoil on top of the layer of jar rings.



4. Next place your substrate jars on to the tinfoil and make sure they are not in direct contact with the water, as started before it is the steam that will do the sterilization.



5. Place your TIGHT fitting lid on and turn your burner to high. Once the water starts boiling turn the burner down to a simmer and start your 90-120 minute timer. I prefer 120 minutes personally as it gives me a higher rate of success.



6. If you are not using a tight fitting lid a lot of steam will escape and your pot will tend to boil dry. This will warp the bottom of your pot ruining it. I cannot emphasis how important a tight fitting lid is. If you need to add more water at anytime, use hot tap water and carefully pour it in your pot. Keep a close eye on your pot, work sober, be careful and add water if and when needed.

7. After the time is up leave the lid on, remove from heat and let cool overnight.

Pressure Cooking

Procedure:

1. Place your trivet or metal rack (I use a combo of both) into the bottom of your PC and fill with 3 quarts of water for a 23 quart presto. (Refer to your manual if your PC is a different style.)



2. Place your jars on the metal rack above the water line.



3. Follow your pressure cookers instructions to bring it up to pressure (15 PSI) and let it cook for 45 to 60 minutes.



4. After your pressure cooker cycle has finished turn off your burner and allow to cool for at least 8 hours or just let it sit overnight.

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Step 4: Inoculation

1. Prep our SAB for work. How to prep your SAB for work

2. Load up our SAB with our jars.



3. Flame sterilize our spore syringe and inoculate each hole. I usually inoculate two jars then re-flame sterilize my syringe needle.



4. And into the jar the needle goes. Try to angle the needle a bit, so when you slide it in it goes up against the glass in between the verm layer and the glass. I use about a drop or two in each inoculation hole.



We leave the foil off after inoculation for a few reasons.

  • The foil blocks Gas Exhange and can cause jars to stall
  • Condensation can form on the foil causing the dry verm layer to fail

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Step 5: The Wait - Incubation

This is the longest part of the whole process. The wait. Incubation should take place at 68 to 75 degree's Fahrenheit (20 to 24 Celsius). Germination usually takes about a week and full colonization can range from anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks. I store mine on a shelf in a room, pretty straight forward. Here are some cakes in various stages of the process

Freshly inoculated:



Partially Colonized:



Fully Colonized:



Once they are fully colonized we need to wait about 1 week for consolidation. Then its time to birth the cakes.

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Step 6: Birthing, Dunking and Rolling

So, you want to skip the dunk and roll? Well. Heres an experiment of how much water gets absorbed by a BRF cake after different amounts of time Water absoprtion in BRF cakes -[EXPERIMENT] by Mateah

Birthing a cake is pretty straight forward. I take my lid off the jar flip it upside-down over the sink and spank the bottom till it pops out of the jar.
There are various ways to dunk and roll a cake. I do mine like CBK does. In fact heres the link - CBK's Dunk and Roll - Getting Verm to Stick

Below is how Shea25 does her's - Taken from her thread here Pf-tek done right by shea25

1. Birthed the cake



2. Gives her a good rinse.



3. And then she dunks in this type of container. I usually dunk my own cakes for about 20 hours in the jar or in a glad container big enough to hold a few cakes.



4. Then she rolls her cake in verm like so.



How I dunk and roll my cakes

The Dunk

1. Crack open the jar and dump the dry verm layer into the garbage.



2. Birth the cake by spanking the bottom of the jar. It should pop right out with ease.

3. Rinse the remainder of the dry verm layer off.



4. Fill a container big enough for the cake to become fully submerged in. I use these glad containers. You can fit 2 to 3 of the half pints in one of these containers or about 4 or 5 of the small 4 oz jelly jar cakes.



5. Snap the lid on and flip her over if your using these containers. I find that helps with any air pockets.



The Roll

1. Fill a bowl with enough vermiculite to make a "grave".



2. Place the soaking wet cake into the "grave"



3. Bury the cake with vermiculite.



4. Firmly press the vermiculite onto the cake. This will get it to stick.



6. Put that bad boy in your fruiting chamber. - If using a SGFC cut some foil to the exact size of the cake. CBK uses these bottom watering dishes. I use these dishes here ---> Link <---

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Step 7.1: Fruiting Time

The finish line is nearing! If you have already constructed your SGFC lets load those cakes up. If not here is a link to Spitball Jedi's SGFC Tek

Here is a picture of my SGFC and some lighting setups.



Lighting from the side:



If I were to grow in a closet, I would simply do my lighting like so.



Also noted I normally don't begin misting until my freshly dunked cakes have been in my chamber for about 12 to 20 hours. I find this helps with keeping the verm stuck to the cakes a lot better. Mist when the cakes need it, there is no set schedule. If they look dry and aren't glistening with moisture anymore its probably a good time to mist em. Here's a good link for assessing how they should look. The Misted Cake Project by Spitball Jedi.

We also don't want our cakes sitting directly on the perlite. So trim some foil down to the size of the cake or use a mason jar lid. CBK makes these bottom watering dishes to sit his cakes in, or you can use these reusable bottom watering dishes[/url]

Freshly Placed in the SGFC



Fruiting Cakes





Here are some baller cakes by Zelikoo

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Zelikoo said:






Results from cronicer's pf-tek container method.


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cronicr said:









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7.2: Top Fruiting & Bulk in a Mono

There are a few ways to go about fruiting in a monotub, top fruiting jars, and going to bulk. These two threads are examples of each option - Casing PF-Tek Cakes - Top Fruiting in a Monotub & A Tale of 13 Cakes

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Step 9: Harvest

This is pretty straight forward. Use an xacto knife or scissors to cut the base of the stipe. Although, some users prefer to twist and pull. Sometimes that pulls off some of the sub with it and I don't recommend that.

After harvest we need to dry out our fruits. Dehydrators are the only way to go on this. Here is a comparison on drying fruits. Mushboy's Dry Fruit Comparison

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-= Credits =-


ComeBackKid - Thanks for the bottom water and double dunk tek
Munch - Thanks for the sweet SAB vid
EvilMushroom and Shea25 - Gave me a platform to build on
Mushboy - Dry Fruit Comparison
Mateah - That sexy brf water absorption experiment
SpitballJedi - SAB, Mono, and SGFC Tek links. As well as Misted cake project
Everyone on the shroomery! :super:

:cheers:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran] * 4
    #24179176 - 03/21/17 01:17 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

start to finish:thumbup:

i like that you showed both PC and steaming:thumbup:

glad to know my PC is not the only one all gross on the inside:stoned::thumbup:


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    #24179277 - 03/21/17 02:28 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Attaboy...slice those shrooms off. I mainly do it because you don't have to clean them and it takes a lot less time IMO.


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    #24179309 - 03/21/17 02:54 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Wow Ziran! Very well put together! Great links as well to SAB and SGFC teks. I'm currently teaching someone brand new and gave them everything to start with, even oyster spores (SGFC is not ideal but they plan to scale up to a GH soon)- I will point them in the direction of this Tek- I feel it addresses most of the concerns regarding PFTek- I would put a little emphasis on the Teks you provided though just to reinforce the now agèd but tried and true methods just so people know even though they too are dated they still work.

Also, unless I skimmed by it and didn't see it I'd try to capture a picture of what it looks like when you reach field capacity of the Vermiculite and Brow Rice Flower- knowing what that looks like is essential to prolific grows. Other than (maybe? Like I said I may have skimmed) that your pictorial is on point.

Thanks for the great beginner's Tek updated to today's standards. I'll keep it as a quick go to for newbies I encounter. Cheers, mate!

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: TravelAgency] * 2
    #24179358 - 03/21/17 03:40 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Wow Ziran! Very well put together! Great links as well to SAB and SGFC teks. I'm currently teaching someone brand new and gave them everything to start with, even oyster spores (SGFC is not ideal but they plan to scale up to a GH soon)- I will point them in the direction of this Tek- I feel it addresses most of the concerns regarding PFTek- I would put a little emphasis on the Teks you provided though just to reinforce the now agèd but tried and true methods just so people know even though they too are dated they still work.

Also, unless I skimmed by it and didn't see it I'd try to capture a picture of what it looks like when you reach field capacity of the Vermiculite and Brow Rice Flower- knowing what that looks like is essential to prolific grows. Other than (maybe? Like I said I may have skimmed) that your pictorial is on point.

Thanks for the great beginner's Tek updated to today's standards. I'll keep it as a quick go to for newbies I encounter. Cheers, mate!

:leocheers:




Thanks mate. If he's doing oysters make sure he uses saw dust in his BRF cakes. Here's a link from CH Hell. These cakes are pretty good. I remember doing oysters in my SGFC. It was okay. But it wasn't the best.

CH Hell's Edible Cakes

Edited OP - Added in CH Hell Cakes, CBK's Bottom Water Tek and Misted Cake project. Also added a bit at the start about Field Capacity under the loading jars step. Will make a gif of field capacity tommorrow


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    #24179377 - 03/21/17 04:07 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Nice link (:lol:)! Thank you! That's a great idea! Oysters need a ton more FAE than an SGFC provides. It took me two dope fans with one ducting outside to get perfect fruits. But it's all my old cube stuff I don't use anymore so if I can get an aspiring Cultivator started hell I'm all in!


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: TravelAgency] * 4
    #24179543 - 03/21/17 08:00 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

May I suggest some improvements for the PF tek?

  • Single inoculation hole in the center of lid
    Less spore solution used the better. If the cake begins colonization from the center of the cake then you know by the time it becomes visibly 100% the center will be 100% as well
  • Casing and top fruiting jars
    Less surface area to lose moisture. Yields may be inproved
  • Fruiting in monotubs
    Because monotubs are awesome and low maintenance 
  • Micropore tape
    Extra protection while still allowing GE


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    #24180485 - 03/21/17 03:49 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I will top fruit my next set of jars in a monotub and add pictures.


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    #24180660 - 03/21/17 04:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I will top fruit my next set of jars in a monotub and add pictures.




I used to spawn the cakes into a bulk sub using a cheese grater (GreenRabbit's idea) and had tremendous success.


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    #24184072 - 03/22/17 07:49 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Added in pictures for over field capacity and at field capacity

Those pictures sucked. Added in gif's


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    #24187384 - 03/23/17 11:31 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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    #24187427 - 03/24/17 12:00 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent stuff, right in time for my return to this fascinating hobby. Only comment I have is that it's difficult to tell the difference between the over field capacity and at field capacity pictures.

Is it safe to say that if you stick to the ratios for verm/water that you'll be relatively OK?


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    #24187459 - 03/24/17 12:21 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Excellent stuff, right in time for my return to this fascinating hobby. Only comment I have is that it's difficult to tell the difference between the over field capacity and at field capacity pictures.

Is it safe to say that if you stick to the ratios for verm/water that you'll be relatively OK?




Yes. you will be perfecto

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We want to achieve an ideal water content. Known as Field Capacity. I usually squeeze my verm until only a few drops of water comes out. I find that with these measurements though Field Capacity is met after adding the BRF




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    #24187463 - 03/24/17 12:24 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Beautiful, sounds good. Many thanks, friend, this thread will be of immeasurable value to me and many others I'm sure.


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    #24187494 - 03/24/17 12:42 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'm about to add in Gif's of Field Capacity. give me 5 minutes


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    #24187503 - 03/24/17 12:48 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Amazing, I was thinking the first time I read through the post that gifs would be a perfect way to demonstrate that. Good stuff. Can't wait to see it.

Does field capacity for Verm translate for other substrates? Coir, for instance?


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    #24187512 - 03/24/17 12:52 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Different materials hold different amounts of water. but it gives you an idea of what to shoot for. You want only a few drops to come out when you squeeze it. You don't want a river.


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    #24187521 - 03/24/17 12:57 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Gotcha.

Excellent work with the gifs! :thumbup: :thumbup: I love it, helps visualize the concept so much better.


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    #24187524 - 03/24/17 12:58 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: Glad I could help mate happy :mushroom2:ing


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    #24193610 - 03/26/17 03:51 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Bumperino. - Added updated Field Capacity pictures yesterday. Those jars I inoced in the tutorial are taking off as well. Gonna spawn them to bulk and add that into the tut later. Gonna top fruit them to show how that's done.


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added some minor changes. Included Celsius temps for incubation


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    #24212902 - 04/02/17 12:30 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
    #24213053 - 04/02/17 01:53 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

NICE! I wish this was up when I started my first batch.

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    #24216818 - 04/04/17 02:20 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I used to spawn the cakes into a bulk sub using a cheese grater (GreenRabbit's idea) and had tremendous success.




You grate it once the cakes are completely colonized Correct? How much did it yield on the first flush?

Currently contemplating on doing this for first grow on a 50/50 verm coir sub monotube or few aluminum trays.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: MashMush]
    #24216880 - 04/04/17 03:05 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'll keep you posted on that. Cause I have 3 half pint jars and 4 of the 4 oz jelly jars going that I plan to do a monotub with. I will post how those go here.


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    #24217748 - 04/04/17 02:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24217983 - 04/04/17 04:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

When you harvest by cutting near the base you don't have issues with the butts rotting and contaminating?
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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: 3B3B4E]
    #24224599 - 04/07/17 06:36 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

not really. sometimes they do sometimes they don't. :shrug:

I almost have one of my 7 cakes ready. Gonna update the dunk and roll section cause there are far better ways to do it that what's currently there.


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    #24228492 - 04/08/17 08:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Added in pictures of how I dunk and roll them.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran]
    #24233855 - 04/11/17 03:26 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Wonderful. Just wonderful. Love that the post is growing and improving, using some great resources. There are a ton of great, and recent, bits of information on here, plenty of extremely helpful links. I was planning on using CBK's "roll" tek and the bottom watering foil platforms myself. Keep up the good work, I'll be excited to see more updates! If I had this guide back when I tried my hand at the PF Tek about five years ago, I think I would have had a lot more luck. :thumbup::thumbup::mushroom2:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: twoisgoo]
    #24233889 - 04/11/17 03:49 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. Gonna be doing bottle fruiting of the cakes I made in the tut. Gonna see how good it works. If its good enough gonna add it in. Basically just copy this thread into the section that isn't done.

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    #24233895 - 04/11/17 03:53 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Ooh. Interesting. So you'll be placing those whole jars cased with CVG into a monotub? Sort of like a mini greenhouse fruiting chamber bottle tek kind of deal? I'll definitely be checking back to see how that goes.


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    #24233951 - 04/11/17 04:40 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup: will update in a few days. gonna be good stuffs. Im really interested in how the 4 oz jelly jars gonna do.


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    #24247651 - 04/16/17 12:27 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

a few more days and those jars should be pinning. will post updates in 3 to 5 days depending


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    #24464173 - 07/07/17 07:49 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Never seen a tek with so many pictures!

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How big are the pressure cookers you guys are buying?


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23 Quart Presto is what's often recommended.


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I use an AA921- though I wish I had gone ahead and sprang for the AA941.


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    #24646618 - 09/20/17 02:47 PM (4 years, 29 days ago)

After you innoc is there no need to cover up the innoc holes?


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No. That is what the dry verm layer is for. If you'd like you can put a layer of micropore tape over them.


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After you innoc is there no need to cover up the innoc holes?




No. That is what the dry verm layer is for. If you'd like you can put a layer of micropore tape over them.

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How big are the pressure cookers you guys are buying?




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23 Quart Presto is what's often recommended.




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    #24657469 - 09/25/17 01:08 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Updated OP with correct jar sizes. 4 oz and 8 oz jelly jars. Had half pints on there and those dont work very well for MS to pftek. 1/2 pints would work fine when using an LC or LI thou


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    #24658086 - 09/25/17 08:35 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Bookmarked this as i am doing my first PF grow this coming week.. i did have a couple of questions.. Why do you put foil between the perl and the cake? Just curious why the cake can't sit on the perl.

Also.. what is the advantage of wide mouth jars? i got the normal kerrs 1/2pint jelly jars with no shoulder..

Last.. i have read people saying cover innoc holes. and others say it doesn't matter due to the dry layer acting like a filter. Is covering them with pore tape or whatever you want just more protection?


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    #24658224 - 09/25/17 10:32 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

1. The foil keeps it from trying to grow into the perlite. If it is growing it is not fruiting.

2. The wide mouth cakes are more stable. Less prone to tipping from a good sized fruit. I personally use wide mouth full pints instead of half pints, but I also run mine through a pressure cooker, can't steam pints.

3. The micro pore tape will help keep even more contams out. some of us use it on our grain jars just fine, as well as our no pour agar plates. I personally would trust the MP tape over the layer of vermiculite.


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    #24658242 - 09/25/17 10:45 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Thanks Hatter, that cleared it up:) I will pick up some MP tape before i start..


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1. The foil keeps it from trying to grow into the perlite. If it is growing it is not fruiting.

2. The wide mouth cakes are more stable. Less prone to tipping from a good sized fruit. I personally use wide mouth full pints instead of half pints, but I also run mine through a pressure cooker, can't steam pints.

3. The micro pore tape will help keep even more contams out. some of us use it on our grain jars just fine, as well as our no pour agar plates. I personally would trust the MP tape over the layer of vermiculite.




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    #24658330 - 09/25/17 11:42 AM (4 years, 24 days ago)

I got a little write up in my journal of easy made lids for PF tek. Uses silicone for a self healing injection port and MP tape for Gas Exchange.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: icetech]
    #24658623 - 09/25/17 01:51 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

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Thanks Hatter, that cleared it up:) I will pick up some MP tape before i start..


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1. The foil keeps it from trying to grow into the perlite. If it is growing it is not fruiting.

2. The wide mouth cakes are more stable. Less prone to tipping from a good sized fruit. I personally use wide mouth full pints instead of half pints, but I also run mine through a pressure cooker, can't steam pints.

3. The micro pore tape will help keep even more contams out. some of us use it on our grain jars just fine, as well as our no pour agar plates. I personally would trust the MP tape over the layer of vermiculite.







You cant really birth a tapered jar. The wide mouth jars the cake will pop right out when you birth it.


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    #24658643 - 09/25/17 01:56 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

He got regular mouth HALF PINTS. I have used these and the cakes slide out like a wide mouth pint.


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    #24658678 - 09/25/17 02:06 PM (4 years, 24 days ago)

Yeah they are smooth sided and no shoulder so shouldn't be an issue.. my cakes will just be taller and skinner is all :smile:

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Thanks Hatter, that cleared it up:) I will pick up some MP tape before i start..


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1. The foil keeps it from trying to grow into the perlite. If it is growing it is not fruiting.

2. The wide mouth cakes are more stable. Less prone to tipping from a good sized fruit. I personally use wide mouth full pints instead of half pints, but I also run mine through a pressure cooker, can't steam pints.

3. The micro pore tape will help keep even more contams out. some of us use it on our grain jars just fine, as well as our no pour agar plates. I personally would trust the MP tape over the layer of vermiculite.







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    #24663566 - 09/27/17 10:39 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Sorry, one last thing.. brought my jar lids to work to pop holes in them (going with 2 holes since the non wide mouths are not very large and 4 seems excessive)

As far as tape goes. i have been reading and of course getting tons of different ways of doing things.. i will assume if using MP tape you put it on right after innoc? i know it probably seems silly but i keep seeing people putting it on before PC and just double checking..


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    #24663570 - 09/27/17 10:41 AM (4 years, 22 days ago)

If anything the non widemouth jars need more than 4 holes they stall out way more easily than the correct sized jars, the wide mouth ones.

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    #24663802 - 09/27/17 12:07 PM (4 years, 22 days ago)

Damn... glad i asked.. next time i will pick up some wide mouths.. and pop some more holes in these..

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    #24669455 - 09/29/17 11:34 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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I got a little write up in my journal of easy made lids for PF tek. Uses silicone for a self healing injection port and MP tape for Gas Exchange.




What type of silicone? I have done this w RTV silicone but I am wondering if regular construction silicone would work. When I first tried this my injection ports were a little thick. I found if you cut a condom into little pieces you can flatten out your RTV silicone injection port to about 1/4 inch thick with the condom scraps and then carefully remove the condom scrap after a couple hours of cure time. It will leave you with a nice flat disc shaped injection port. Do it on both top and bottom side of the lid. Makes a real nice professional looking port.


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    #24670124 - 09/29/17 03:26 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

I use the clear loctite stuff. just look at the temperatures it can withstand on the back of the package.


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    #24682662 - 10/04/17 06:56 AM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Update: Fixed a small formatting error on the field capacity portion of the guide. :cheers:


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    #24693991 - 10/08/17 02:44 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

Can someone post or point me in the right direction that explains the lighting setup in detail? Can the fruiting chamber be positioned in a closet with the door open or should it be regular lit room with the additional lighting as well. Also, should the SGFC be positioned near the floor? I live in a smaller apartment and am having trouble deciding where to position this and am wondering if I higher position may work better for me. Thanks so much for your help.!


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: deeswpr19]
    #24694036 - 10/08/17 02:54 PM (4 years, 11 days ago)

a 5000k to 6500k light near it will be fine. if theres a bar for hanging clothing on use one of those clamp light fixtures and clamp it above the chamber :thumbup:


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    #24698296 - 10/09/17 11:27 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

is it typical for only 1 of 4 jars to get inoculated? 1 of my jars has white webs in it starting but the other 3, I don't see anything yet.


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    #24698319 - 10/09/17 11:32 PM (4 years, 9 days ago)

could be slow germination. or it ends up being nothing
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    #24707493 - 10/13/17 05:37 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

Great guide for beginners, no problem understanding anything.


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    #24707510 - 10/13/17 05:43 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Great guide for beginners, no problem understanding anything.




Im going to Add in how I do my lights for the SGFC. the tub will be empty but the idea on how your lighting should be set up will be there. :thumbup: will add it in when I get home.


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    #24707523 - 10/13/17 05:48 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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Great guide for beginners, no problem understanding anything.




Im going to Add in how I do my lights for the SGFC. the tub will be empty but the idea on how your lighting should be set up will be there. :thumbup: will add it in when I get home.




Is it important how the light is set up? i got LED's which are 4000 Kelvin with 35W(2 of those) are those good enough?


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    #24708120 - 10/13/17 10:43 PM (4 years, 6 days ago)

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1. The foil keeps it from trying to grow into the perlite. If it is growing it is not fruiting.

2. The wide mouth cakes are more stable. Less prone to tipping from a good sized fruit. I personally use wide mouth full pints instead of half pints, but I also run mine through a pressure cooker, can't steam pints.

3. The micro pore tape will help keep even more contams out. some of us use it on our grain jars just fine, as well as our no pour agar plates. I personally would trust the MP tape over the layer of vermiculite.





2)  Can't steam Pints?!  Shit that's exactly what I just did.  Steamed 4 pint jars for 2 hours each in a standard pot.  Seems to be working so far...


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    #24708202 - 10/13/17 11:31 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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Great guide for beginners, no problem understanding anything.




Im going to Add in how I do my lights for the SGFC. the tub will be empty but the idea on how your lighting should be set up will be there. :thumbup: will add it in when I get home.




Is it important how the light is set up? i got LED's which are 4000 Kelvin with 35W(2 of those) are those good enough?




Those should be okay ish. I use 5000k to 6500k lights. And What I meant by light setup is how I aim my lights at my SGFC.


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    #24708205 - 10/13/17 11:32 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

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1. The foil keeps it from trying to grow into the perlite. If it is growing it is not fruiting.

2. The wide mouth cakes are more stable. Less prone to tipping from a good sized fruit. I personally use wide mouth full pints instead of half pints, but I also run mine through a pressure cooker, can't steam pints.

3. The micro pore tape will help keep even more contams out. some of us use it on our grain jars just fine, as well as our no pour agar plates. I personally would trust the MP tape over the layer of vermiculite.





2)  Can't steam Pints?!  Shit that's exactly what I just did.  Steamed 4 pint jars for 2 hours each in a standard pot.  Seems to be working so far...




I think the thing with pints is you need to steam for longer to get the insides to the proper temperature.


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    #24708357 - 10/14/17 01:16 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

By request, People have been asking about lighting. I use 5000k to 6500k light bulbs. They are cheap as fuck and work well :thumbup: Here are some examples of How I do my lighting, and then for people doing them in a closet, how I would do the lighting for that as well.

I do my lighting like so. I take my clamp light, and clamp it to my SAB table that is next to my SGFC. My lights are also plugged into a 24 hour timer for 12 hours on 12 hours off.



If I were to grow in a closet, I would simply do my lighting like so.



Hopefully this helps people out :thumbup:

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    #24708769 - 10/14/17 09:12 AM (4 years, 5 days ago)

Just for anyone wondering, i went to home depot yesterday, 4 phillips 6500k CFL's $9.xx and those alum dome clamp lights were $8 a pop.. cheap as can be.


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By request, People have been asking about lighting. I use 5000k to 6500k light bulbs. They are cheap as fuck and work well :thumbup: Here are some examples of How I do my lighting, and then for people doing them in a closet, how I would do the lighting for that as well.

I do my lighting like so. I take my clamp light, and clamp it to my SAB table that is next to my SGFC. My lights are also plugged into a 24 hour timer for 12 hours on 12 hours off.



If I were to grow in a closet, I would simply do my lighting like so.



Hopefully this helps people out :thumbup:

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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: icetech]
    #24709491 - 10/14/17 02:42 PM (4 years, 5 days ago)

I got a 3 pack of the twisty cfls for like 9 bucks at walmart. and they last a long time. the ones I got ive been using for like 2 years now. and those clamp deals last along time if you dont move them to terribly often.


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    #24713411 - 10/16/17 05:57 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

From what I understand you don't only want a light in the 50000k - 65000k range. The k is in relation to the color spectrum. Intensity matters too.

This is not a quote, it my best recall of RR's lighting notes in the "all of RR's notes on cultivation thread".

If you want better than mediocre preformance you will need a light in the 50000k - 70000k range with 65000k being nominal. The light needs to be intense enough to penetrate through the top layers of the casing to stimulate primordia formation below the surface.

Typically fluorescent lighting and 100% humidity do not go together well so keep your lighting on the outside of your chamber to avoid electricution but close enough to allow the lighting to penetrate through the top layers of your substrate to stimulate good primordia formation.



EDIT: Natural diffused daylight will do the job nicely if you don't have the lighting you need. Typically south facing windows are too bright so you will want a north facing window or E or W so the sun can't make direct contact with your chamber.


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    #24713423 - 10/16/17 06:25 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

I apologize if this was already covered. It's been a minute since I read all of the way through this thread. Again OP, thank you for the updated version.

All of RR's notes on cultivation also says don't use an incubation chamber or darkness. Incubation should be done in a clean room on an open shelf more than 2 feet above the floor at normal comfortable room temperature (70's) and receive regular fluorescent lighting (65000k nominal) and/or natural diffused daylight.

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    #24713440 - 10/16/17 06:49 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

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Also, should the SGFC be positioned near the floor? I live in a smaller apartment and am having trouble deciding where to position this and am wondering if I higher position may work better for me. Thanks so much for your help.!






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more than 2 feet above the floor at normal comfortable room temperature (70's)




When choosing locations keep in mind that 90% of a rooms contaminates are within a foot of the floor. Exterior contamination is less of an issue with colonized substrate but best practices are always recommended.


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    #24739081 - 10/26/17 03:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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    #24771680 - 11/09/17 04:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Added in this link under the dunk and roll section

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    #24787493 - 11/16/17 06:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

where do u mist? cuz I thought you  misted just the sides of the tub, but it's not really clear in the OP. do u mist the cakes directly? Or the sides of the tubs is okay? Should one really get a humidity measure for the tub? thanks


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    #24787498 - 11/16/17 06:31 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Mist the cakes directly.  No humidistat necessary.


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Mist the cakes directly.  No humidistat necessary.




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    #24791224 - 11/18/17 11:22 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

the lids of my totes aren't clear, they're white. I couldn't find a clear size that would fit in my spot. it also gets to about 58 at night in there, but during the days its like 66-68. should I be worried? should I find clear lids? i can't position the light to the side due to the space


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    #24794222 - 11/19/17 08:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Clear would be ideal.  The temps are a little low so expect growth to be very slow.  Get a small space heater and bump those temps up a few degrees to about 72F, and growth will happen faster.


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should I find clear lids? i can't position the light to the side due to the space





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Clear would be ideal.




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You are going to want to use a light with 6500 kelvin (color temperature of the light) or diffused natural day light. It is best if the intensity of the light is bright enough to penetrate the surface layer of your substrate to stimulate pinning just below the surface.


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    #24882548 - 01/01/18 06:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Great Work Ziran!

Now let me suggest the plastic filter jars that I use. Theyre great!
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Thanks so much for this thread. I never once saw a guide from very start to very finish, exactly how I want to perform the process. Thanks so much!!!


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    #24918836 - 01/16/18 07:00 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I remember back in 1999 when I first attempted the PF Tek. It was the original one (drip shield and all, no perlite!! Amazing that I got the few shrooms that I did).

Now the PF tek is updated and so much easier to follow (and have success with)... the dunk and roll, shotgun terrerium, and other evolutions have improved this tek 10 fold.

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I remember back in 1999 when I first attempted the PF Tek. It was the original one (drip shield and all, no perlite!! Amazing that I got the few shrooms that I did).

Now the PF tek is updated and so much easier to follow (and have success with)... the dunk and roll, shotgun terrerium, and other evolutions have improved this tek 10 fold.

Thanks to all those who helped modernize this easy beginners tek! If I hadn't had success with it, I probably would've given up and not moved on to have the success with grains and agar that I enjoy today.




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23,946 in 10 months. holy shit guys. You guys rock. Lets see some results from this tek. Post em up boyz.


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    #24971268 - 02/06/18 01:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ziran one note i think is worth adding since this is the best most recent pf tek.

When filling jars, they should be filled fluffy and full of air pockets. Not packed down with a spoon, finger or by hitting the palm of your hand on the bottom of the jar. Packing down the sub leads to additional weeks (even month)longer colonization times from the first signs of growth.

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Ziran one note i think is worth adding since this is the best most recent pf tek.

When filling jars, they should be filled fluffy and full of air pockets. Not packed down with a spoon, finger or by hitting the palm of your hand on the bottom of the jar. Packing down the sub leads to additional weeks (even month)longer colonization times from the first signs of growth.

Pics from eats thread showing the light structure the sub should be like, to promote quick colonization









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5. Load up our jars with our BRF-Verm Mixture to the band line. When loading them, don't pack the mixture down. It needs to be light a fluffy.





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    #24971731 - 02/06/18 04:57 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hell ya

Btw 2 pics might be deleted? Or linked incorrectly in your under and over field capacity in the op.


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    #24971800 - 02/06/18 05:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

they are? they work for me. hmm

They were working on my firefox but not chrome. that should resolve the issue.

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    #24971857 - 02/06/18 05:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Also corrected this section of the guide. One of my images broke apparently. Also fixed how much water to use with the 23 quart presto.

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1. Place your trivet or metal rack (I use a combo of both) into the bottom of your PC and fill with 3 quarts of water for a 23 quart presto. (Refer to your manual if your PC is a different style.)







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3. Add 1 cup of water to the mixing bowl and mix thoroughly.




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    #24977668 - 02/09/18 01:13 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Updated OP. Added a few more fruiting cakes in from my first time ever doing PF-tek. Also Added in one of my king oyster cakes fruiting. changed where the lighting setups are in the OP.


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    #25006756 - 02/19/18 11:37 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

What's the yield comparison between leaving the cakes whole and dunking and rolling or breaking them down and mixing evenly with some sub?


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    #25044014 - 03/06/18 10:59 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

I am currently in the process of creating a perfect replica of all the photo's in the tek on my up coming LOG


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    #25047793 - 03/08/18 03:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Updated the adding dry verm section. Added in a gif :super:



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What's the yield comparison between leaving the cakes whole and dunking and rolling or breaking them down and mixing evenly with some sub?




It will vary. Genetics, how much spawn you use, how clean the BRF cakes are when you spawn them (clean vs dirty spawn), and environmental conditions all come into play.


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This has been very helpful, Ill save the link to reference in the future.


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    #25078482 - 03/20/18 08:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #25085449 - 03/23/18 06:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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    #25092184 - 03/26/18 04:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Edit: Inoculated Thirteen Jars. :minigun:
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    #25098862 - 03/29/18 08:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nice instruction,thx.

what is the purpose of soaking the cakes in water and roling them in vermiculate?


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    #25098869 - 03/29/18 08:54 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What do you think about tyvex lidds? schould I make them?


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Nice instruction,thx.

what is the purpose of soaking the cakes in water and roling them in vermiculate?




Hydrates the cakes before introducing fruiting conditions. Mushrooms are mostly water, and they suck the water as they grow.

I don't use tyvek for lid filters for pf-tek, I use the dry verm layer. I'd use it for grain jars if I didn't already have SFD's


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    #25110584 - 04/03/18 12:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Man, I like how the caps on Mystics look. I'll get my hands on some spores one of these days. They look like little smurf caps.  :mushroom2:


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    #25118083 - 04/06/18 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Very comprehensive pf tek guide. I did exactly as was written in your write up a few weeks ago, just read this today so it looks like I did everything right. One more thing I suggest, when adding perlite to your SGFC's, 5-6"inches minimum is sufficient to keep humidity levels in the 90's RH. Any less than 5" doesn't work well, unless you have a really small bin.. I also never throw out my perlite, I bleach it in a bucket for 1hr then rinse it thoroughly and re use it for my next grow. Perlite is a crystalline rock so it never goes bad. Thanks for the updated tek


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    #25137258 - 04/14/18 01:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome guide! I'm going to document my first attempt and post results following this write up, thank you!!
While waiting for supplies to arrive, had 2 maybe dumb questions mainly out of curiosity.
1. How important is the metal lid for the jar? will aluminum foil alone be sufficient?
2. on the option to sterilize without a pressure cooker, do you think adding a towel or plastic wrap between the lid and the pot help create a better seal during the steaming process?


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    #25137331 - 04/14/18 02:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

naw just the lid the pan you steam in man. and the lids for your jars  are alot more useful as you can reuse them over and over. same with the foil you cover the jars with. I reuse it until it tears really bad.

Also. The sgfc hybrid design from psilo seems to work better so far for cakes if your not running a full chamber. Im gonna update OP at some point here.

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    #25140974 - 04/15/18 02:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What do you think about skipping the SGFC and birthing from the jar as in Bod's Easy AF TEK?: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24981864/fpart/1/vc/1


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    #25141042 - 04/15/18 02:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Both will work.

SGFC seems consistently better outcomes IME.

EZ AF Tek can give good yields, but can also throw pins inside the jar instead of top leading to smushed shrooms. It also takes up a jar you could be colonizing.


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What do you think about skipping the SGFC and birthing from the jar as in Bod's Easy AF TEK?: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24981864/fpart/1/vc/1




Top fruiting jars works. Sometimes side pins happen a lot when you do it that way.


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About how long after the dunk and roll, and placing into chamber do you see pins? Mine have been in for about 10 days now, and no pins are visible. They still look healthy and are a nice white color, but I see no pins. Thank you.


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About how long after the dunk and roll, and placing into chamber do you see pins? Mine have been in for about 10 days now, and no pins are visible. They still look healthy and are a nice white color, but I see no pins. Thank you.




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I notice you didn’t mention agar? Do you even need it? I’m reading up on so manny techniques and notice some people don’t add it to there growing techniques. I’m new and trying to find out photos or videos of someone using grown afar and adding the spore.... I probably don’t make sense.


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This method does not require agar, but if you got it, use it and make grain jars.


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4. And into the jar the needle goes. Try to angle the needle a bit, so when you slide it in it goes up against the glass in between the verm layer and the glass. I use about a drop or two in each inoculation hole.




In the past i thought that about 1 cc total per jar was what you were supposed to do. But if i could get more jars out of each syringe that would be awesome.

How much solution would you say you end up using total per jar? I am referring to Liquid culture.

i have 30 ccs of liquid culture and am wondering how many jars i could get out of it. I was planning on 30 jars.


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4. And into the jar the needle goes. Try to angle the needle a bit, so when you slide it in it goes up against the glass in between the verm layer and the glass. I use about a drop or two in each inoculation hole.




In the past i thought that about 1 cc total per jar was what you were supposed to do. But if i could get more jars out of each syringe that would be awesome.

How much solution would you say you end up using total per jar? I am referring to Liquid culture.

i have 30 ccs of liquid culture and am wondering how many jars i could get out of it. I was planning on 30 jars.




with lc anywhere from a drop, half a cc to 1 cc is gonna get you super fast colonization times. the thing is you dont wanna throw off your water content of your BRF jars.


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4. And into the jar the needle goes. Try to angle the needle a bit, so when you slide it in it goes up against the glass in between the verm layer and the glass. I use about a drop or two in each inoculation hole.




In the past i thought that about 1 cc total per jar was what you were supposed to do. But if i could get more jars out of each syringe that would be awesome.

How much solution would you say you end up using total per jar? I am referring to Liquid culture.

i have 30 ccs of liquid culture and am wondering how many jars i could get out of it. I was planning on 30 jars.




with lc anywhere from a drop, half a cc to 1 cc is gonna get you super fast colonization times. the thing is you dont wanna throw off your water content of your BRF jars.



Is there a noticable difference between using one drop per hole, and using 1cc? Or is the difference fairly negligable.

For example, would using only a drop add on weeks of colonizing time compared to a whole cc, or only maybe a few days or something?

Also, if you had to guess, how many jars would you personally make with 30cc of liquid culture?


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30 ccs? you could do anywhere between 20 to 70 jars. depends how steady you are with a syringe / how much liquid per holes. It wont be to super noticable, a few days to a week depending on culture genetics.


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30 ccs? you could do anywhere between 20 to 70 jars. depends how steady you are with a syringe / how much liquid per holes. It wont be to super noticable, a few days to a week depending on culture genetics.



Alright sweet a week extra isnt bad. Ill aim for about 2 drops per hole then, which i think should be well under a cc. Thanks for the help

Edit: Is medium grade vermiculite Ok to use? I have the vigoro brand verm from home depot.



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30 ccs? you could do anywhere between 20 to 70 jars. depends how steady you are with a syringe / how much liquid per holes. It wont be to super noticable, a few days to a week depending on culture genetics.



Alright sweet a week extra isnt bad. Ill aim for about 2 drops per hole then, which i think should be well under a cc. Thanks for the help

Edit: Is medium grade vermiculite Ok to use? I have the vigoro brand verm from home depot.






Should be. usually the finer stuff is better for the dunk and roll


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30 ccs? you could do anywhere between 20 to 70 jars. depends how steady you are with a syringe / how much liquid per holes. It wont be to super noticable, a few days to a week depending on culture genetics.



Alright sweet a week extra isnt bad. Ill aim for about 2 drops per hole then, which i think should be well under a cc. Thanks for the help

Edit: Is medium grade vermiculite Ok to use? I have the vigoro brand verm from home depot.






Should be. usually the finer stuff is better for the dunk and roll



Alright sweet. One last question. I have a bunch of the regular half pints, like in the picture below, but im trying to decide if its worth ordering the shorter wide mouth ones. I've seen some people say they colonize quicker, but im not sure if thats true.

Do you think its worth ordering the wide mouth's or would these be fine? I've used these regular jars already, but if using the wide mouths would decrease colonization time or something id definitely purchase some.



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    #25185117 - 05/05/18 01:59 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

those ones work fine for LC and MS IME. I just prefer the shorter ones. as long as they are not tapered your good to go.


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    #25185120 - 05/05/18 02:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ziran said:
those ones work fine for LC and MS IME. I just prefer the shorter ones. as long as they are not tapered your good to go.



Yea ive used them already, the cakes slid out nice and easy.

So there wouldnt really be any benefit to the wide mouths you think? When i used about 1cc of LC last time these regular jars took between 20-30 days to fully colonize.


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    #25185185 - 05/05/18 03:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Ziran said:
those ones work fine for LC and MS IME. I just prefer the shorter ones. as long as they are not tapered your good to go.



Yea ive used them already, the cakes slid out nice and easy.

So there wouldnt really be any benefit to the wide mouths you think? When i used about 1cc of LC last time these regular jars took between 20-30 days to fully colonize.




sounds about right to me. a lot of it is culture genetics and amount of inoc points. you really only save a few days using a live culture on BRF. you dont have to wait as long for germination like you do with MS syringes. Plus. grains you can shake, brf you cant.


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