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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: theLoser]
    #28619604 - 01/13/24 10:54 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

You sterilize your jars in the pressure cooker. The pressure cooker is the tool used for that task.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: theLoser]
    #28619638 - 01/13/24 11:18 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

One and the same. Sterilize with a PC.

Edit: Smelly fast, tao slow.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Way]
    #28619643 - 01/13/24 11:21 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

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It's definitely not an every time thing. I've also seen plenty of colonized pint jars. Just seems fairly common.

Personally, if I were to reinvent the wheel and try to cram as much brf in as big of a container as possible, I would go with a pp5 or glass container like in the OP. Just pick a large one that doesn't go too deep. I think you could colonize a container that was as long and wide as you wanted, as long as it wasn't much deeper than a half pint jar and you used enough inoculation points.




cI think its way better to use standardized plastics, if more people switched to them more people would be successful. I think plastics is a european thing but there are many commercial outlets for truffle mushrooms over here in Europe, I am Swedish and I helped spread the got damn mushrooms all the way up North. Now there are growers everywhere.

IMO using stuff that you find in a thrift or food store aint so good seeing as the plastic jars with filters do a good job of it and theyre 200 % pre tested and lightweight.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: theLoser]
    #28619644 - 01/13/24 11:21 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

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I read this very carefully all the way through, my one stupid question is: Do I need to Sterilize AND use pressure cook, or is it one or the other? Thanks.




With PF Tek, your jars can be sterilized with either a covered pot (steam sterilization) or a Pressure Cooker (PC).


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28619647 - 01/13/24 11:24 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

HI LC ! Long time no see..


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Cakewonder]
    #28619649 - 01/13/24 11:26 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

Hello there!

Your screen name looks semi-familiar :cool2:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28619653 - 01/13/24 11:32 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

I grow in pint mason jars. I add a bit more coarse vermiculite than the 2-1-1 so the mix doesn’t slump as much. I put a small amount of fine vermiculite in the bottom to absorb moisture produced by the mycelium.
Inoculate with a 4 inch dispensing needle, that lets me inoculate farther down in to the jar than a regular 1 1/2 inch needle. Three inoculations per hole at 1, 2 and 3 inches from the bottom. 4 holes in the lid so 12 total.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: The Tao]
    #28619658 - 01/13/24 11:35 AM (14 days, 20 hours ago)

Very cool!

There was a thread about a month ago about pint jars and stalling. Sounds like you dialed them in to prevent stalling. :thumbup:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: theLoser] * 1
    #28619877 - 01/13/24 02:36 PM (14 days, 17 hours ago)

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I read this very carefully all the way through, my one stupid question is: Do I need to Sterilize AND use pressure cook, or is it one or the other? Thanks.




You need to sterilize. You can do that with the pressure cooker, OR by steaming. Steaming just takes longer. Both are effective methods of sterilizing your BRF mix.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Ziran] * 1
    #28621652 - 01/15/24 12:18 AM (13 days, 7 hours ago)

Tonight, Im trying an experiment. I am going to substitute vermiculite with perlite. In previous SGFC grows, i noticed that mycelium from my PF cakes would grow down into the perlite layer in my SGFC, partially colonizing it. This was before i used plastic petri dishes as a spacer between the cake and the perlite. Im pretty confident that mycleiun can colonize moist perlite if I coat the perlite with BRF.

Anyone ever try this before?


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #28621690 - 01/15/24 02:12 AM (13 days, 5 hours ago)

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Tonight, Im trying an experiment. I am going to substitute vermiculite with perlite. In previous SGFC grows, i noticed that mycelium from my PF cakes would grow down into the perlite layer in my SGFC, partially colonizing it. This was before i used plastic petri dishes as a spacer between the cake and the perlite. Im pretty confident that mycleiun can colonize moist perlite if I coat the perlite with BRF.

Anyone ever try this before?




I believe the problem with perlite is that it's not good at retaining water compared to verm, so my guess is half the water you put in there will end up pooling at the bottom if you put the same amount as usual.

I've been thinking very strongly about coir cakes though, it's much cheaper than verm. I've already been substituting BRF with coconut flour because I've found it around for half the price of BRF and it seems to be working fine (mostly I mix both because I like to think giving them a more diverse diet is a good thing).

Coco flour is thicker and sucks up more water than BRF though if you're planning to try that. Steam sterilization works fine with it too. I'm thinking you can compensate the worse water retention of coir vs verm using coco flour somehow and make 100% coconut based cakes with very similar nutrient/water ratios. There's a lot of fun stuff worth trying IMO even if just for the costs and storage benefits, or even just the novelty, but then I don't know how well you can steam coir.

This is a heavy coco flour based cake for the reference, they seem to be liking it just as much:



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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: MrJong]
    #28621712 - 01/15/24 03:29 AM (13 days, 4 hours ago)

I just made a batch tonight, it went pretty well! A 1/4 cup water for 2/3rds cup perlite was too much. I had to strain the water out but the 1/4 cup of water was pretty close.

Here's the wet, drained perlite:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28621727 - 01/15/24 04:34 AM (13 days, 3 hours ago)

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Here's the wet, drained perlite:




Oh now I can see why you had that idea with the consistency it has. You plan on fruiting these as cakes or spawning to bulk? I'm thinking it might have a bit of a hard time holding enough water as cakes.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: MrJong] * 1
    #28621741 - 01/15/24 05:22 AM (13 days, 2 hours ago)

Just a warning to other people: don't pick up your jars and move them around while they are colonizing.

I got too fucking impatient this time and the verm layer moved all around, resulting in no filtering, and almost every jar contamed. :cuteshit:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: MrJong]
    #28621747 - 01/15/24 05:37 AM (13 days, 2 hours ago)

Yeah, Im thinking of top-fruiting out of the jar. If i birth them, they might just fall apart.

Spawning to bulk would be interesting. Might try that too if it actually works.

Changed, its always a good idea to pack the top of your jars full of dry vermiculite, so that if you move the jars around from looking at them (its hard not to), the verm layer will still be intact to protect the cakes below.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #28621757 - 01/15/24 05:48 AM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

Yeah, I didn't quite pack it tight.

Oh well, learning experience!


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: Changed]
    #28621761 - 01/15/24 06:01 AM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

Where did they contaminate? Any pictures? If nearly every jar contaminated I’d look at the entire process before blaming the dry vermiculite layer.


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: The Tao]
    #28621767 - 01/15/24 06:13 AM (13 days, 1 hour ago)

The pressure cooker is ideal. Steaming them in a pot can work to replace it


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: tryptkaloids]
    #28621818 - 01/15/24 07:33 AM (13 days, 13 minutes ago)

Oh those pressure cookers:wonka:


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Re: Updated PF Tek Guide [Re: The Tao]
    #28621896 - 01/15/24 08:48 AM (12 days, 22 hours ago)

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Where did they contaminate? Any pictures? If nearly every jar contaminated I’d look at the entire process before blaming the dry vermiculite layer.




My process is fine, I've had success in the past.

A number of them were looking great, then when the verm shifted down the side of the jar, they started growing that grey/wet shit, or just stopped growing altogether.

Three of the jars are popping pins in water tub right now.


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