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RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me!
#24177229 - 03/20/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi there!
These 400ml screwtop pp5s were the only bottles with a screwtop I could find here in England. I prepared them by adding 200ml untreated RGS to the bottles with 100ml water. I mixed and shook the bottles to ensure even hydration, waited an hour, did it again, then PCed for 90 minutes at 15 PSI. I left them to cool overnight, then they were inoculated on the 13th february with (too small!) slices of agar from a clean MS agar plate.
Growth leapt off after a few days but was very slow as the bottles were too close to a single glazed window in a UK February. Upon being moved to a warmer room they grew at a much healthier rate and ended up fully colonised after 3 and a half weeks with an impatient shake done at 20% colonisation. I left them for like another week just to be sure there'd be no areas for opportunistic moulds to colonise.
Earlier today I unscrewed the lids and they smell super strongly of mushrooms + have no suspicious areas. As I was satisfied with this I brought a small amount of vermiculite to field capacity and laid a thin layer on top of each substrate. I then placed the bottles in a SGFC next to a sunny window. Here are some pictures, I appreciate all advice or critique!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24177260 - 03/20/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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never done a bottle grow but shouldnt they be filled to the top??
are those grains around the containers interior colonized??? they seem like a contam vector.
again ive never done a bottle grow but something seems off. or im being an ass and i apologize greatly.
curious to see how this turns out.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: mushboy]
#24177275 - 03/20/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, in the MudaFuka bottle tek they're filled to the top, but this one was partially Violet's tek (which is usually used with a thin layer of substrate in the bottle and then fruited invitro from straight RGS, I decided to do a test run with the bottles 50% full and cased instead and see how I like it).
The grains are all colonised, my camera is awful but you can see the white mycelium on the furthest right bottle.
I don't think you're being an arse at all!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24177289 - 03/20/17 10:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i am extremely bias towards vtek. but
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: mushboy]
#24177318 - 03/20/17 10:24 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought it'd be worth a try, and now I managed to find straw (and have the ability to now make LI) when this spawn run is over I'm going to use these bottles for straw-based MudaFuka grows!
I know you say you don't have bottle experience, but do you have any rough idea how long it'll be until I see pins? When should I dunk/bottom water my bottles? Should I mist whenever the casing doesn't glisten anymore?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: mushboy]
#24177321 - 03/20/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've heard bad things from vteks
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
#24177337 - 03/20/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i mean it works and i almost did it but i found myself asking this main question...
'im not 8 yrs old? im a grown adult.' vtek is something id get for my grand niece if i had no clue what to get a 8yr old girl(if you would gift such a thing but you get that point)
HOWEVER doing a v-tek pf hybrid or bottle/pods is dope because you are still using the big boy toys. v tek is in aisle 6 next to the fruitsnacks and dippers.
just my opinion on that.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life] 2
#24177342 - 03/20/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I say anything about v tek V shows up like I said bloody Mary to a mirror three times.
I'm not very fond of V-tek. The idea is if you suck at cultivation and can't make spawn or petri dishes then try this.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24177350 - 03/20/17 10:35 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, I have some rye quarts rapidly colonising from some LI at the moment, I just thought it'd be fun to do, plus the concept is aesthetically pleasing to me.
Can you answer these for me please Bodhi?:
"do you have any rough idea how long it'll be until I see pins? When should I dunk/bottom water my bottles? Should I mist whenever the casing doesn't glisten anymore? Is the current position in the SGFC good, or should they be buried deeper in the perlite?"
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24177361 - 03/20/17 10:37 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pins 3 days to 2 weeks after put to fruiting usually You can dunk or bottom water Mist it when it needs it yes They're fine, you could bury them more idk if it will help
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24177363 - 03/20/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool, thanks!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24177364 - 03/20/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess I wouldn't dunk until after a flush if I was going to dunk at all. I would bottom water if needed during flushes
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24177477 - 03/20/17 11:14 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you'd advise bottom watering over dunking with bottles specifically?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24200300 - 03/28/17 04:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Update:
These bottles haven't done anything yet, including not even colonising their straight verm casing layer.
I scraped off this vermiculite, dunked the RGS bottles in water for 20 minutes, drained them, then re-cased with some bucket tek'd CVG (cheers bodhi! Moisture content was literally perfect).
If it triches out or goes slimy I don't really mind, it wasn't doing anything anyway and they'd been in there 8 days.
Here's to better luck with this casing hopefully!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24204157 - 03/29/17 10:53 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If I say anything about v tek V shows up like I said bloody Mary to a mirror three times.
I find a RGS bottle grow, and lo, what serendipity! How could I resist responding to this?! What a way to dip in after months hiatus lololol
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bodhisatta said: The idea is if you suck at cultivation and can't make spawn or petri dishes then try this.
Not really sure where you get this idea, but let's throw that onto the pile with the rest of your specious notions about me and my material.
The tek focuses entirely on the same exact procedures as making spawn and petri dishes. Come on, you're smarter than that, aren't you? They even thought to stick a tag on you. This is basic shit.
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lovelaughlibs said: So you'd advise bottom watering over dunking with bottles specifically?
Yes definitely. The difference is you're not counting on what the cake can force absorb during that period of time to provide everything the powerful grain substrate is capable of fruiting. Having a water reservoir on-hand while fruits are growing is essentially the replacement of bulk substrate, and explains how I have the same kind of yields from my grain as what they'd produce combined with bulk substrates but without the massive substrates and extra steps preparing and colonizing onto them.
Edit: Also you should swipe away all the loose seeds stuck on the sides of the containers.
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mushboy said: i mean it works and i almost did it but i found myself asking this main question...
'im not 8 yrs old? im a grown adult.' vtek is something id get for my grand niece if i had no clue what to get a 8yr old girl(if you would gift such a thing but you get that point)
HOWEVER doing a v-tek pf hybrid or bottle/pods is dope because you are still using the big boy toys. v tek is in aisle 6 next to the fruitsnacks and dippers.
just my opinion on that. 
Say what you will, but from the way you talk about it I get the feeling you wouldn't understand it well enough to make it work for what it really is. I'd certainly like to see an explanation about how yield right up there with the "big boy toys" somehow leaves me on "aisle 6". Don't be mistaken, the real reason this tek is "in aisle 6" is the way it is treated by Shroomery cliques and trolls. For all your talk, I'd certainly love to see if you could even do it like...
     Each of those 5 photos were taken by different growers btw.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24204397 - 03/30/17 02:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i actually liked violets tek and simplicity, but unfortuntly for me i couldnt get them to fruit,, but the strain I used was Pe idk if that would of matter
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bakenast]
#24205030 - 03/30/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Please leave me out of the forum politics. All the teks worth reading are fine. The question is, in what circumstances should you prefer which methods? Urban, suburban, and rural are fundamentally different situations.
For me in the city, it's all about the material flow and what it implies to outside observers. When you need discreet, compartmented grows with minimal inputs and outputs (in terms of biomass, energy, and space), you start looking at things like supplemented bottles, grain soak water, unmodified lids, species sequencing, composting, using edible ingredients, etc.
The idea is to go grocery shopping, grow the highest quality mushrooms from the smallest quantity of substrate, use supplies and materials for many purposes, and produce the least waste. If you own a PC, you should make canned food. For grains and malt extract, beer; for CVG, gardens; for agar, vegan jelly. This is basic permaculture theory applied to mush cult security.
If I didn't live around hundreds of snitches, it might be different. But the trash guy who handles your disposable petris ignorantly assumes it's anthrax, and tomorrow SWAT comes with a battering ram. The fact that you consume 3 squares of Parafilm every time you open the dish doesn't help, because now you have to order more lab consumables.
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OP might do better with some moisture retention in his substrate (compost or coir). Also, perlite isn't biodegradable.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: AndyHinton]
#24205101 - 03/30/17 11:21 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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They've since been cased with CVG and are retaining moisture very nicely - I'm very excitedly hoping to see pins within a few days...the wait is so hard!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: AndyHinton] 1
#24205112 - 03/30/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im not the one who said I can't do Clean spawn, and contaminate bulk every time so I'm stuck doing ship in a bottle novelty grows.
I rather see people do less work and get more that's all.
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Violet said: I get so sick of everyone pointing the finger at spawn. It's your spawn, hidden contam in spawn, your spawn isn't clean, blame the spawn. I had a practically 100% sterile success, but once my work was no longer in STERILE environs, contams would attack at about a 35-50% rate. Spawn was not to blame, and isn't always. This drove my teks to rely more and more on my sterile work alone, and I found a way to achieve the same great degree of result without the extra "bulk" steps and materials that took my work out of sterility, causing my ~50% failure rate to dwindle to ~1%.
Im not the one can't identify clean spawn 
Sbj maybe agreed with you a few years ago but realistically clean spawn and substrate that wasn't prepared for shit doesn't just contaminate because it's no longer in a sterile environment lol
You yourself repeatedly admitted that you thought spawn was clean but you contaminated bulk every time hence coming up with your method.
If you didnt have shortcomings with the basics bulk would work for you, until you can do clean spawn I guess you can stick with in vitro bottles
Sorry but a 50% contamination rate means your spawn wasn't as clean as you think it was. If anything it says you can't identify clean spawn.
Never breaking up a colony means you can get away with sloppy technique and some contamination just like a pf cake mitigates some contamination and use of spore syringes.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24205354 - 03/30/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would much rather discuss factual logistics of the tek, and help lovelaughlibs, than deal with a brand-new TC spouting out bad info about a tek and user he has a long-standing clear bias against.
And I am the one? I have no problem producing sterile colonized grains, obviously, so I'm not sure what you're comparatively accusing.
Also I never said "every time", you're clearly trying to put exaggerated words in my mouth. Your inability or unwillingness to accept the truth of my growing situations is not significant to me or reasonable of you.
Also, the "shortcomings with the basics" accusation is obvious specious bull, as per above. If you want to see my success with the basics and beyond, just observe all my teks and photos. Not that you don't know that - you'd just happily sacrifice the truth to attack me. Shame shame.
When are you gonna be reasonable, instead of do your best to twist things to cause unnecessary shit? You're clearly wrong about this, as seen by anyone not looking through the eyes of your vendetta or bandwagon/clique "forum politics" as Andy said. Your statements are blatantly infactual, and as a tag holder you should be ashamed. If nothing else, you should try to rise above the pettiness that makes you follow mention of my methods and shit on them with biased falsehoods.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205368 - 03/30/17 01:13 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow. Bodhisattas quoting things you've said and your saying hes twisting it for his own benefit. What benefit? He's clearly not getting any help from you by twisting words. Just saying is all.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205377 - 03/30/17 01:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Forum politics is what everyone cries when they can't fit in with random strangers trying to be shroomy and nice
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
#24205379 - 03/30/17 01:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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The problem is his quoting me doesn't support his statements. Tenacious environmental contaminants does not inherently mean I have trouble with the basics, seeing as the basics are precisely what are responsible for my 99%+ success rate. The troubles mentioned in the quote didn't even take place until I had been growing successfully 2+ years - they happened after I moved. I have photos of many bulk grows not just before but even after. It is specifically open-air spawning to monos where the troubles began after moving; I did great troubleshooting, and had both great help and confirmation. Bod's accusations widely miss the reality of it, and by now it's well known he'll purposefully rewrite my situation to suit his desire to bash me
Edit: For all that, what does it even matter? The statements are not only untrue, but would have little bearing on the relevance of the method or its abilities and advantages, *even if they were*. End result is the method works as described, and even my 'haters' have to do their best to beat around the bush away from that fact, trying to undermine me with specious trivialities like these. It certainly says more about him/them than me.
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Edited by Violet (03/30/17 01:39 PM)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24205382 - 03/30/17 01:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Forum politics is what everyone cries when they can't fit in with random strangers trying to be shroomy and nice
That's funny, the only people I seem to have trouble getting along with are self-professed dicks and self-professed trolls, both of which you have indeed self-professed
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I would much rather discuss factual logistics of the tek, and help lovelaughlibs, than deal with a brand-new TC spouting out bad info about a tek and user he has a long-standing clear bias against.
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Edited by Violet (03/30/17 01:28 PM)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24205419 - 03/30/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't worry, bodhi. There's no challenge or competition here. 
My methods are appropriate for my situation, and my substrate-to-yield ratio is sufficient for my needs. That's all I care to say. No numbers, no bragging, no "tek x is better than tek y."
If you're worried about being ignored, please know that I listen quite carefully. You forced me to think critically about my long-term storage tek, and I'm grateful for the chance to improve it.
I draw lessons from everyone with something interesting to say, then adapt them to achieve my own goals. The only thing that matters is that people develop methods to suit their particular needs.
Now 5 posts later, this is turning into a shitstorm. Peace out and be well.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24205474 - 03/30/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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lovelaughlibs said: They've since been cased with CVG and are retaining moisture very nicely - I'm very excitedly hoping to see pins within a few days...the wait is so hard!
I don't have any experience with bottle grows but CVG is not a casing material. You do not want to use something nutritive for a casing, rather something like 50/50+
CVG is a bulk substrate and should be used as such
The casing layer is meant to help with the microclimate on the surface, not provide nutrition. Using a nutritive casing layer is bad technique asking for contaminants
(unless there's something fundamentally different about bottles)
I've never used vtek, but enjoy seeing vtek grows, they make for cool pics, and I've always appreciated and enjoyed the non standard views and techniques V brings to the forum, anything that fosters critical thinking and discussion is good in my book
HOWEVER, I'm not convinced that bodhis criticisms are personal or invalid. they make excellent talking points and provide context (which is essential when discussing alternative techniques). no reason anyone should be offended/upset or sentimental, we are discussing cultivation principles and how they relate to one another, nothing personal
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24205493 - 03/30/17 02:03 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, coir and verm are both fine casing ingredients! Not my preference personally but more than fine in general. And gypsum isn't nutritive per se so it can be added for pH buffer qualities, no issues.
I guess it can kindof depend on certain factors, but overall one shouldn't generally recommend against it.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205507 - 03/30/17 02:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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why would you use a nutritive casing? (coir) vs a standard mix like 50/50+?
of course it might work, but please explain how it's not bad technique vs a non nutritive casing?
op needs to understand the purpose of a casing layer
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#24205539 - 03/30/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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To clear the air yes I have a slight personal thing with violet only because she promoted "power" & potency with her method. Completely unsubstantiated. The theory being an unbroken colony; however not even empericaly derived evidence supporting it emerged.
Misleading people to try your things by saying potency and power etc... Thats like giving a stolen credit card to someone with down syndrome to make withdrawals for you. Sorry I don't jive with that
Then there's the inability for you to critically look at your spawn problems.
Maybe you didn't vent your pressure cooker long enough. Other people at least had some tenacity and humility to figure out their spawn issues
You can say you had clean spawn all day but then you say you contaminated at least 50% of you bulk attempts.
Doesn't add up
Tenacious environmental contamination my ass lol. Ask mad season about environmental contamination and how he still managed to grow with clean spawn
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Violet said: Tenacious environmental contaminants does not inherently mean I have trouble with the basics
I put my tubs on a carpeted floor in a room that is habited by two cats and two cat litter boxes.
Like I said have a chat with mad season about these problems
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24205568 - 03/30/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's okay if you can't jive with that. I never expected everyone to agree, even when so much of it has a known basis, even according to RR, such as unbroken consolidated grain-packed subs. Frankly that can't be all it is, tho, because that's certainly not all the beef you take with me. If you were more focused on those more understandably controversial topics, we probably wouldn't but heads nearly so badly, because frankly I totally understand those concerns. I can't blame you for having them, even, and respect your reasons for them. But again, if that really were what it was, I feel we would have found common ground past that well before now.
To address your edit, again, I wasn't having spawn failures, as exemplified by every single other grow type I did. You are really trying hard to invalidate a thorough troubleshooting process that succeeded in identifying the variable that caused the issue, and then eliminated it. Not very sciency of you, trying to make up spooks in my spawn despite mountains of evidence.
As I've said before, I'm really happy for all the myriad people who can get away with practices like those. Years of experience before I even had the problem, and years living with the problem, showed me I wasn't going to have that luck there. I'm happy for you, but neither your situation nor your luck are mine. Quit imposing your situation into mine, it's not logical.
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of course it might work, but please explain how it's not bad technique vs a non nutritive casing?
op needs to understand the purpose of a casing layer
Well, coir is almost a non-nutritive casing, in a sense. Although apparently different situations (like mine was for 3 years) can have different luck, for the most part people are able to openly spawn to coir in conditions exposed to contams without very bad odds at all. Coir is "resistant" to contaminants enough to work just about as well as 50/50. That all is why we can "bucket tek" coir, too, when growers typically "properly" pasteurize casing like 50/50
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24205594 - 03/30/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: To clear the air yes I have a slight personal thing with violet only because she promoted "power" & potency with her method. Completely unsubstantiated. The theory being an unbroken colony; however not even empericaly derived evidence supporting it emerged.
Misleading people to try your things by saying potency and power etc... Thats like giving a stolen credit card to someone with down syndrome to make withdrawals for you. Sorry I don't jive with that
Then there's the inability for you to critically look at your spawn problems.
Maybe you didn't vent your pressure cooker long enough. Other people at least had some tenacity and humility to figure out their spawn issues
You can say you had clean spawn all day but then you say you contaminated at least 50% of you bulk attempts.
Doesn't add up
Tenacious environmental contamination my ass lol. Ask mad season about environmental contamination and how he still managed to grow with clean spawn
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Violet said: Tenacious environmental contaminants does not inherently mean I have trouble with the basics
I put my tubs on a carpeted floor in a room that is habited by two cats and two cat litter boxes.
Like I said have a chat with mad season about these problems
I was talking to a fellow member about his constant trich problems. I told him not to worry try and clean your setup and try again. Mad season specifically said that he's had trich a few times in his monos and aside from removing the substrate which is in a liner he doesn't clean the bin. He makes a new liner and spawns to bulk. He went on to say that if the spawn is clean the spores in the mono won't ever impede with the grow until it's too damaged and he's about done. I'll look it up and put it on here in a few.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
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I cased with CVG cos someone told me straight verm was bad + I don't have other casing mixtures at the moment.
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You did fine, I'm looking forward to how it goes!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
#24205606 - 03/30/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's right
Otherwise simple air we breathe would also fuck us. Its not like it takes some critical mass of uncleanliness and dust and dirt around to force contaminate your grows.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205609 - 03/30/17 02:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet said: No, coir and verm are both fine casing ingredients! Not my preference personally but more than fine in general. And gypsum isn't nutritive per se so it can be added for pH buffer qualities, no issues.
I guess it can kindof depend on certain factors, but overall one shouldn't generally recommend against it.
of course it could work, wax paper can work, but using a nutritive casing layer kind of seems like its misunderstanding the point of a casing layer
im fairly certain this is what happened with OP, because he used CVG (a bulk substrate) as a casing layer
coir is a LOOOOOOOONG way from non-nutritive, lots of people (like bodhi) get massive crops out of CVG alone (with most of the nutrients coming from the coir)
yes, coir is relatively contam resistant compared to other bulk substrates, but that doesnt mean its non-nutritive, or that it cant contam, or that nutritive casings are a good idea vs nonnutritive
i love discussions about cultivation principles, and i have disagreed, discussed, and argued with bodhi on many occasions (it usually leads me to a bunch of new stuff to look up and learn about). but never about how much he likes me hahaha... i try to restrict it to cultivation principles and other things that dont require me to be a mind reader
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
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Mad Season said: You need to work on your spawn if you're having issues with trich. If it was just from having spores in your house, we'd all be fucked.
It could just be trich riding along, or bacteria in your spawn, either way you need to make it clean.
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Mad Season said: Let me answer that for you. Why is everyone asking about your techniques?
 
Are examples of contaminations I had, the 2nd one I had forgotten in my basement for over half a year, with the furnace kicking on every 20 minutes. I had many many contaminations in my days, and I've never felt compelled to clean my room. I got really fuckin anal with agar, as well as spawn, and had these while I was in this situation..
    
I've never bleached my room. Just a few vacuums. I've never cleaned a few of my FC tubs either. And they had lots of trichoderma..
These bacterial AF trays were fruited in the open air of my basement which had tubs of trichoderma nearby that I forgot about
 
You spawn in open air, which is covered in contamination spores anyways, fruiting will NEVER be sterile. The thing you need is a clean af established network, that can easily keep contaminations at bay. If you have trich germinating early, it's most likely because bacteria in your spawn has weakened your myceliums "immune system". Bacteria is pretty much always needed for trichoderma to germinate on mycelium.
Weak mycelium contaminates. Kinda obvious really. That means you need stronger mycelium. Which is why people are figuring out your spawn cleanliness, starting with inoculation.
I've also grown pans while this shit was happening. Just saying. When a huge sporeload is introduced you have to be anal AF with your spawn, maybe trying to reduce the spore load would make it easier, but my approach has always been to have impeccable spawn. With it, my house has not hindered me yet.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24205627 - 03/30/17 02:49 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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For all I know, there was live mold in the walls of the old carpeted *rental house (which itself was in a wooded, humid area near several creeks and rivers).
Accounting for the one variable of open-air spawning completely and utterly eliminated a contamination problem that I had gone without in my first 2 years of growing. It just doesn't get more clear-cut than that. Doesn't matter if you don't believe it, even still it wouldn't be basis for the kinds of accusations you make
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Violet said: No, coir and verm are both fine casing ingredients! Not my preference personally but more than fine in general. And gypsum isn't nutritive per se so it can be added for pH buffer qualities, no issues.
I guess it can kindof depend on certain factors, but overall one shouldn't generally recommend against it.
of course it could work, wax paper can work, but using a nutritive casing layer kind of seems like its misunderstanding the point of a casing layer
im fairly certain this is what happened with OP, because he used CVG (a bulk substrate) as a casing layer
coir is a LOOOOOOOONG way from non-nutritive, lots of people (like bodhi) get massive crops out of CVG alone (with most of the nutrients coming from the coir)
yes, coir is relatively contam resistant compared to other bulk substrates, but that doesnt mean its non-nutritive, or that it cant contam, or that nutritive casings are a good idea vs nonnutritive
i love discussions about cultivation principles, and i have disagreed, discussed, and argued with bodhi on many occasions (it usually leads me to a bunch of new stuff to look up and learn about). but never about how much he likes me hahaha... i try to restrict it to cultivation principles and other things that dont require me to be a mind reader
Nah, coir is not especially nutritious, according to everything I've learned for years. What it has is mostly tied up in lignin, apparently. That's all why it works for cultivation the way it does and why it works fine as a casing. It simply does and has been for years, per pros all the way up to the top like RR. It's a tough point to argue that coir/verm casing will result in a high contamination chance, and honestly you're talking to someone who would be more likely to argue it than most, and yet you hear me doin the opposite here. Coir casing is fine.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205634 - 03/30/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you even look at my quote from a TRUSTED CULTIVATOR that's not bodhisatta? Mad Season know his shit too.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24205651 - 03/30/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: why would you use a nutritive casing? (coir) vs a standard mix like 50/50+?
of course it might work, but please explain how it's not bad technique vs a non nutritive casing?
op needs to understand the purpose of a casing layer
What are the ingredients in the 50/50+ mix?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
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bodhisatta said: That's right
Otherwise simple air we breathe would also fuck us. Its not like it takes some critical mass of uncleanliness and dust and dirt around to force contaminate your grows.
good info
btw i should add:
as a substrate ages, it becomes more acidic. as it becomes more acidic, it becomes far more susceptible to mold, especially trich
this is why we use 50/50+ (peat/verm + oyster shell and/or lime), a non-nutritive casing layer to create a good microclimate for pinning on the substrate surface, oyster shell as a ph buffer and lime to set the ph slightly basic so that is less susceptible to mold and takes longer to acidify
with straight coir, the surface starts acidic and becomes more acidic as it is digested. most people dont case cubes for monotubs, etc, so obviously a colonized uncased CVG substrate can do just fine, but casing with coir undermines many of the reasons to use a casing. (that doesnt mean it wont work, just seems like bad technique, though i am certainly open to explanation if this is not the case)
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c10h12n2o said: this is why we use 50/50+ (peat/verm + oyster shell and/or lime), a non-nutritive casing layer to create a good microclimate for pinning on the substrate surface, oyster shell as a ph buffer and lime to set the ph slightly basic so that is less susceptible to mold and takes longer to acidify
with straight coir, the surface starts acidic and becomes more acidic as it is digested. most people dont case cubes for monotubs, etc, so obviously a colonized uncased CVG substrate can do just fine, but casing with coir undermines many of the reasons to use a casing. (that doesnt mean it wont work, just seems like bad technique, though i am certainly open to explanation if this is not the case)
Alright, looks like I'll need to hunt down peat at some point if I wanna case future things. Peat is something that needs pasteurising, right?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
#24205661 - 03/30/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most nutrition comes from spawn
If you use low spawn rates like with some edibles you usually supplement your substrate since its cheaper than making or buying more clean spawn.
At the end of the day almost all of use do our grows overly nutritional anyway. Otherwise you wouldn't get a second or third flush or if you did it would be rinky dink as fuck.
Mycelium won't digest all the nutrients by the first flush even the nutrition provided by spawn.
I rarely if ever use a casing layer. When i do its usually straight coir. Casing layers are a crutch with cubes imo, maybe PE varieties are an exception but regardless people pull of no blob first flushes with uncased PE grows
Premade 50/50+ is called jiffymix seed starter
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
#24205666 - 03/30/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bastard4life said: Did you even look at my quote from a TRUSTED CULTIVATOR that's not bodhisatta? Mad Season know his shit too.
His situation isn't mine. The facts of mine as I stated them are real and deserve being acknowledged as what they are. A million people telling me they didn't have my problem or don't believe I did will not have changed my situation.
I tried all kinds of things along the ways of troubleshooting, including going to much greater lengths than he described.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205672 - 03/30/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have mold all over my house. I don't get contams because my spawn is clean and I pasteurized properly. Your not the only one with that "situation".
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
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I'm also not the only one sharing the apparent quagmires of my situation. I get people message me privately sharing their stories because they're afraid of the kind of unforgiving criticism that comes with believing that maybe what 96% of Shroomerites experience isn't universal truth.
I've gotten in these debates a dozen times and you're offering nothing new here now. I'm done with it until it becomes something other than a boring rehash.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205693 - 03/30/17 03:10 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet said: Nah, coir is not especially nutritious, according to everything I've learned for years. What it has is mostly tied up in lignin, apparently. That's all why it works for cultivation the way it does and why it works fine as a casing. It simply does and has been for years, per pros all the way up to the top like RR. It's a tough point to argue that coir/verm casing will result in a high contamination chance, and honestly you're talking to someone who would be more likely to argue it than most, and yet you hear me doin the opposite here. Coir casing is fine.
sorry V, but coir is quite nutritious for fungi, this is a fact. if it wasnt, then that would mean bodhi's mushrooms are nearly 100% water (i always knew those fields of ESS dicks looked bunk )
of course there is a lot to be said for the nutrients mostly coming from the grains, but certainly not all, since grows can be light on spawn and still put out huge crops. for example i had a 66qt tub put out a single flush that was nearly 3kg, even though only 4qt spawn was used. in that tub, the substrate looked like a rasin after harvest, and weighed only a fraction of what my bulk sub weighed. obviously most of the weight is water, but the greatly diminished substrate shows that it is at least getting some of its nutrients from the hpoo/straw/coir
if coir wasnt nutritious it would not be used as a bulk substrate, this is a simple fact. if it wasnt nutritious then it would be used as a casing material rather than a substrate
we need to be very clear about the differences between bulk substrates and casing materials, misinformation will mislead noobs into doing things like casing with CVG (as per OP)
also, i never said coir/verm casing "will result in a high contamination chance," i simply said it was bad technique to use a nutritive casing, because it misses the point of what a casing is supposed to be. that doesnt mean coir/verm cant provide a suitable microclimate, just means there are better ways to do it
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
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But did you try to fix your spawn or did you just adamantly say it was 100% clean Because I think that's what most people are wondering.
I guess no one believes your spawn cleanliness judgment. You think it's your house instead that's fine I could care less if you want to figure it out or not.
The bottle grows are fine and all but as a replacement for bulk is lol city you know how many Tupperware I would have to prepare to do what I can get with a g2g and Putting a lot of clean eggs in one big basket
It's a fine method it obviously works to make shrooms.
It's not a bulk alternative if you're for real It doesn't have better potency or power(lol power wtf) Also, Let's not forget plant food fertilizer lol
So in light of that if you can't figure out clean spawn have fun with a Tupperware party
Everyone who's done an outdoor monotub knows that a moldy dirty spore laden environment doesn't mean failure just as much as a moldy house with moldy walls doesn't mean failure
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24205701 - 03/30/17 03:13 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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C10, Dude, coir has been used openly as a casing layer since WAAAAAAYYYYY before you joined this board, and approved by the major pros the whole ride along. All I know to say now is "deal with it".
Only material you'll find that's truly close to "non-nutritious" is vermiculite and even it somehow manages to lose weight during the process. That doesn't actually undermine any of my points, which all stand flawlessly.
Even look above at Bodhi's reply about supplementing his coir. People aren't doing straight-coir grows without spawn or supplementation.
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#24205705 - 03/30/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: But did you try to fix your spawn or did you just adamantly say it was 100% clean Because I think that's what most people are wondering.
I guess no one believes your spawn cleanliness judgment. You think it's your house instead that's fine I could care less if you want to figure it out or not.
The bottle grows are fine and all but as a replacement for bulk is lol city you know how many Tupperware I would have to prepare to do what I can get with a g2g and Putting a lot of clean eggs in one big basket
It's a fine method it obviously works to make shrooms.
It's not a bulk alternative if you're for real It doesn't have better potency or power(lol power wtf) Also, Let's not forget plant food fertilizer lol
So in light of that if you can't figure out clean spawn have fun with a Tupperware party
Gonna disregard all the petty trolling and just remind you *I didn't have that problem for 2 YEARS until I MOVED*. My spawn and grains were always clean and had an effective flawless grow record until monotubs were made. I've stated before, I was also a semi-commercial gourmet mushroom farmer, and grew Shiitake and King Oyster to scale with the typical methods, even after changing my Cubensis teks. All my other grows worked fine. My "spawn" was regularly used to super-expand to other spawn while Still maintaining 100%. Bags/blocks of all manners of species, even exotics, with excellent success rate. My bulk subs were 95%+ successful other than monotuvs specifically. End of story.
In short, I don't care if people refuse to believe my spawn was clean. Clearly my methods depend on that ability and clearly I have proven high success rate, and that goes even beyond what's shown on the forum. I don't have to convince you of this truth for it to be true nonetheless.
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#24205720 - 03/30/17 03:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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#24205733 - 03/30/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nothing else to try? Note taken
Frankly I've shown more successful spawn-and-bulk based methods, and with a much larger variety of species, than you have even despite your 28k posts (at least at the time of my hiatus starting, looks like you at least post a few good monos now, cg)
So "that's just, like, your opinion, man"
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24205769 - 03/30/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont know why anyone would assume that they know all the factors at work in their own projects, much less others, especially considering how much is unknowable
there is a lot going on in these projects, many factors involved which we are not privy to the specifics of, and it is quite difficult impossible to attribute causation to any set of circumstances without all the information.
people need to understand the difference in correlation and causation, if they want to effectively troubleshoot
they also need to understand that the world is not binary, and many explanations are not mutually exclusive. also anecdotes do not invalidate facts/stats. gotta understand these things
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Violet said: C10, Dude, coir has been used openly as a casing layer since WAAAAAAYYYYY before you joined this board, and approved by the major pros the whole ride along. All I know to say know is "deal with it".
Only material you'll find that's truly close to "non-nutritious" is vermiculite and even it somehow manages to lose weight during the process. That doesn't actually undermine any of my points, which all stand flawlessly.
Even look above at Bodhi's reply about supplementing his coir. People aren't doing straight-coir grows without spawn or supplementation.
lol.... calm down, and maybe reconsider some of your assumptions. if you think about this stuff rather than just trying to argue because you are sentimental about bad ideas/advice. a conversation about cultivation principles should not piss you off so bad, and is nothing i should have to "deal with," critical thinking should not be painful 
you might be suprised how long ive been around (WAAAAAAAAY before you registered)
again, you arent addressing ANY of the principles being discussed, for example why a non-nutritive ph-adjusted layer is superior to a nutritive layer that will acidify?
you arent making an argument, you are just saying people have done it. people used to do all kinds of dumb things before we learned better. i dont know why you are so sentimental about this stuff.... if you understand the difference in a casing vs a bulk substrate, this is a no brainer...
you arent even producing anecdotal evidence of why its a good idea, even though ive explained why it isnt, you are just saying that because someone did it its a good idea.... some of us like to think, and try to understand how things work... and even if you did, it doesnt change any of the many reasons NOT to use a nutritive casing layer
"grows without spawn"? what the heck are you even talking about.... you lost me there... bodhi grows with uncased CVG, which is a bulk substrate
i dont understand why you are so upset, or sentimental about bad/outdated ideas. i also dont understand why you call flaming/trolling anytime someone disagrees with you or clarifies the complexity of something you presented as fact... we should be able to have an adult conversation about these things, just because someone has a different take doesnt mean they are a troll, hell they might be right
no one with any sense is gonna just go with bad, unsubstantiated ideas because you say you are such an incredible grower and have such magnificent success (at least you dont lack for confidence haha....), nor should you expect them to
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
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I've never supplemented coir  and you have to use spawn you can't just fucking put spores to coir
I don't even do CVG anymore I just do C
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
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fuckin ay wow, i didnt realize; you dropped the V+G?
thats dope, very interesting. any general notes/observations you can share about any differences? ive never worked with straight coir
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I've noticed no discernible difference.
another thing that always got me was this shit
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Violet said:Cubensis greatly prefers to fruit from sites of no nutrition, whether it didn't have any or has all been consumed.
not I am lead to believe, or my experience has made me come up with this theory.
nope just say it like its a proven fact.
is why I'm a little more critical of you in particular becoming more clear or am I still "trolling" ?
I get pins coming right off grain so  also when I did BRF agar dishes I made them with different levels of nutrition. the ones that were overly nutritious pinned the best on fully colonized plates.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
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Wow that quote sounds like ass talk. Ive only used hpoo compost and usually get even pinsets. How does it fruit from non nutrition only with even pinsets on one of the most nutritious substrates? And after only a week of colonization. That does not makes sense.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22717425
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bodhisatta said: Spawning to bulk in a monotub
Takeaway points
- Spawning to bulk isn't a sterile procedure, you can do it in your living room with your bare hands. Your environment doesn't matter
- Clean spawn should be very easy to break up, you should be able to do it in your hands, I don't recommend breaking up every jar with your hands though. It was a demonstration of the ease you should have in breaking up spawn jars
- Take the time to make your substrate even and level
- Make sure it's well mixed but if there's a few spots where it's not perfectly mixed that's fine.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24205828 - 03/30/17 03:58 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wasn't argueing bodhisatta. I was agreeing. Btw I spawn in my living room and barehanded I make the substrate even. I of course wash my hair and body/teeth and use germx after I've smacked my jars but the rest is barehanded.
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I dont get on here as much as I would like anymore, about a year ago when i checked in I rememeber bodhista being a condescending arrogant prick to somebody, funny I see the same thing today, reminds me of old DocT days when that jerk was around. crazzzy someone can post 28000 times in 3 years wtf go outside or something and cheer up....
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24206036 - 03/30/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: i dont know why anyone would assume that they know all the factors at work in their own projects, much less others, especially considering how much is unknowable
I did read your whole post, and security is the main factor I care about because it's most within our control. Get a good night's sleep and wake up happy. Don't fool yourself into thinking that the cops haven't fooled themselves into thinking that "oyster mushroom" is a codeword. Even though it's not.
It's important for me to have the minimum observable activity going in, with the most nutrition recycled within, and the least public waste coming out. You can make a lot of beer, GLC, malt agar, grain spawn, and fruiting substrate from one commonplace 10-20 lb malt purchase. I never have to buy coir or LME again because I have compost and grain soak water.
Don't have reptiles? No coir, then. No garden, no compost; no rye field, no RGS; no lawn, no grass seed; no horses, no oats; not a birdwatcher, no WBS. That's why my security tek stresses gardening and home brewing. They dramatically expand the ingredients you can plausibly use. Also, because everyone eats and we're growing food, it follows that the organic market has good ingredients too.
Some are obviously better than others, like everyone knows that corn sucks. But every other useful thing is simply a function of how many nutrients you can pack into the smallest space, in the most discreet way.
The PP5 containers are for soup. The modified jelly jars? "I do agar to domesticate brewers' yeasts and propagate plants, it's as easy as a high school science lab. So I have the best beer and garden possible, and I never have to buy those things again."
The only thing that matters is being able to do what works for you come tomorrow. Figuring out nutrition vs. water is easy. Decoupling your purchases, movements, networks, yields, personae, etc., is hard.
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don't tell people don't get caught then you don't have to explain your funky looking jars and legal purchases of odd supplies.
If you live in a "Crack Stack" or any city housing complex of lesser vertical height I can see not wanting to draw attention.
I would suggest growing sclerotia, why does it matter what species you're tripping on. if growing discrete is your game and you live in some place you have to be looking over your shoulder all the time then why even bother with cubensis.
now if you need a nice looking bag of cubensis for some reason you're probably in more of a position to be caught because of that then the things you buy anyway
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The simple fact is that the public is ignorant. It doesn't matter what species you grow, mushrooms are cubes in most people's minds because of the peculiar history of American cultivation.
I don't know what you're implying on this microbial homesteading forum, but I do know enough to suggest that you look critically at the general nature of your posts and uploads.
Sorry, not interested in continuing this discussion any further.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: AndyHinton]
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Im here for the serious people. Have you seen c10's flow hood? 99.5% of people get along with me just fine
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
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Bod, you do know that my statement doesn't preclude mushrooms growing from grain, right? Surely you're ignoring the obvious in favor of making another specious attack? I myself grow TONS of Cubensis from direct grain - but it is still subject to that dynamic. Try to understand what you're bashing a little better. Your attack ends up making you look bad. THAT one was obvious. Weak sauce, man
Edit: For the record, my quote can be taken as simply a different angle on the explanation for why consolidation is often necessary, a la PFtek & RR, before you can expect pins. We've also seen how it can sometimes effect blobbig behavior. Other methods, like poms, also reveal things about Cubensis' characteristics that normal grows may otherwise cloud.
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c10, gonna say one more time, people have been using coir in casing for decades. Just because it's a time-tested practice doesn't mean you get to call it "outdated" "or bad idea". Why nobody else is calling you on this is beyond me right now. Coir is and has almost always been an acceptable casing layer ingredient. Look up posts about it by TCs. I know for a fact even the 'legendary' RogerRabbit regularly stated so. Maybe it's talked about less here these days, idk, but that doesn't mean the truth changed. It's not my material of preference. But to condemn anyone who uses it to contams due to a "nutritious" casing, lol, is to put your reputation on the line, and to not understand how coir's traits make it so handy to amateur growers. Just UTFSE for a second before you make another age-long post trying to chastise me for nostalgically sticking to a "bad idea"... which is still 100% valid.
Edit: Here, let me UTFSE for you. Took me 1 minute to find CURRENT trusted cultivators CURRENTLY mentioning using COIR as a CASING LAYER
Pastywhyte: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23973565#23973565 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24076364#24076364
cronicr: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23984438#23984438
Mad Season: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24011801#24011801
And... what's this... bodhisatta? Not advising it, but saying it's what he'd use if so... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24093589#24093589 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24011670#24011670
Okay, that search result was hundreds of pages long, but I do believe I can rest my case with that
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206583 - 03/30/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pulling up a chair for the drama, love me some drama
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Josex said: Pulling up a chair for the drama, love me some drama 
Right!  Shit someone might just learn something new from reading this.. Maybe not tho..but please do carry on.
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I do believe I said I used coir as casing on occasion the last page.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24206626 - 03/30/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Right, yeah. I'm not even sure why he's trying to argue with me on that, really.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206772 - 03/30/17 10:10 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Common ground look at that
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24206801 - 03/30/17 10:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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again, as i said before, since you either dont read or have shit reading comprehension and completely dont understand the argument
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c10h12n2o said: of course it could work, wax paper can work, but using a nutritive casing layer kind of seems like its misunderstanding the point of a casing layer
im fairly certain this is what happened with OP, because he used CVG (a bulk substrate) as a casing layer
coir is a LOOOOOOOONG way from non-nutritive, lots of people (like bodhi) get massive crops out of CVG alone (with most of the nutrients coming from the coir)
yes, coir is relatively contam resistant compared to other bulk substrates, but that doesnt mean its non-nutritive, or that it cant contam, or that nutritive casings are a good idea vs nonnutritive
i love discussions about cultivation principles, and i have disagreed, discussed, and argued with bodhi on many occasions (it usually leads me to a bunch of new stuff to look up and learn about). but never about how much he likes me hahaha... i try to restrict it to cultivation principles and other things that dont require me to be a mind reader
i never said coir wouldnt work as a casing layer, i simply asked you why you would use a nutritive casing layer that will acidify rather than a ph adjusted proper casing..... and you just got mad
are you capable of having an adult conversation about these principles? because simply saying people have cased with coir before does not say anything about the talking points i brought up
things arent as simple as good or bad, thats why its important to understand principles rather than constantly spouting nonsense and resorting to the fallacy of an argument from authority
you are quoting examples of coir being used as a casing as if i had said it had never been done. i said it was a bad idea vs a real casing mix, and listed the reasons why, not that it had never been done
plus, even your references are used incorrectly. they used coir as a casing, but says absolutely nothing about the virtues of non-nutritive ph corrected casing vs a nutritive casing (which is what i asked you)...
RR has been telling people this for 15 years now when yall case with straight coir... RR and many others have discussed this on many occasions, and there doesnt seem to be any debate among those that understand the discussion
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Coir is a substrate so it would not be usable as a casing layer unless diluted massively with vermiculite. 60/40 verm-coir was used for quite some time, but it usually fully colonizes serving more as a second substrate layer than a casing, but regardless it usually performed well. Peat moss is the casing layer of choice, usually mixed with vermiculite, gypsum, and lime. RR
which is exactly what i am saying. no one ever said you cant case with coir
OP cased with CVG because they completely misunderstood the difference between bulk sub and casing mix. rather than explain the difference, you confused them worse and got all pissed... you should know better V, these are the basics
you shouldnt have to completely misconstrue and misunderstand what was said just to convince yourself you made a point.... (the proverbial strawman)
maybe dial the defensiveness down a bit and discuss cult principles rather than this "everybody picks on me for no reason" crap... still dont know why you take things so personal and take discussion points as personal attacks...
if casing with coir is better than using a 50/50+ mix, you shouldnt have any trouble explaining why. i certainly didnt have any trouble explaining why its not...
btw i am hitting a bong every time V uses the word "specious" lol..... the simple pleasures in life
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
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I see your jimmies are rustled
"i simply asked you why you would use a nutritive casing layer that will acidify rather than a ph adjusted proper casing" Because the inflated difference just doesn't fucking matter like you assert it does, especially for cubensis, especially for the common grower. The proof is in the pudding all over this board all into history. That's enough for case closed right there. If you say it's so much better, where's the significant end-result display of that monstrous argument-worthy difference????!?!???
"non-nutritive pH adjusted casing vs nutritive casing" makes it seem like a much bigger difference than it is. You're taking semantic descriptive differences and fabricating a supposedly significant experiential difference from them... where none exists my man.
You don't have to pH adjust coir, for one. Also you can expect most things to "acidify" regardless. It's just not a point worth pushing, dude. Especially with such long and verbally pushy/aggressive/accusing posts. Save those for topics of substance or controversy or with something new to learn/show, take it from me.
If you could have any point about the difference worth noting whatsoever, it would be that mycelium tends to be more likely to colonize coir-based casing layers more thoroughly, which isn't really a problem (especially with you being someone who thinks it's gonna acidify and contam just because it's "nutritious", lol). But you don't even make that point. You're sticking to the minutia and pretending it's monstrous.
"you are quoting examples of coir being used as a casing as if i had said it had never been done" Now here's where I'm gonna have to start thinking that maybe you're an idiot, no offense just observation. Because that's obviously not why I said that. I said that because it shows that PEOPLE WHO KNOW BETTER THAN YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK ENOUGH ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE YOU'RE EXAGGERATING TO EVEN BOTHER MENTIONING IT AS A POTENTIAL DETRIMENT.
A little tidbit advice. If you effectively never see active TCs mention it when it's brought up, it probably doesn't matter enough for you to make a huge dramatic argument about it and derail a thread.
You're making a massive deal out of nothing. If 50/50 were quantitatively confirmed as a statistically significant better result to the common Cubensis grower, then the realities of using coir as a casing layer would not be as they always have been. We're not in Advanced Mycology here. I use potting soil, but coir is a more than acceptable casing layer for those who want to use it. 
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
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ruffled??
not quite, i think you and anyone else who gets so emotionally invested in discussions about cultivation are hilarious 
the difference in bulk substrate and casing mix is more than semantic, these are established principles... either confusing noobs is a hobby of yours, or you dont understand the basics despite speaking like Moses on the mountain
i never said anything about a monstrous difference, i was quite clear that coir has been used effectively and works fine. i simply brought up some of the reasons why it is better technique to use a casing mix for casing, rather than casing with a bulk substrate, and gave several reasons
if you want to argue, try arguing with something i actually said, not just getting pissed at your imagination
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
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Honestly man you're the one trying to confuse noobs if you want to make them think, and have me say, they can't use coir as a casing layer when all the TCs here are telling them they can. Get that shit straight. I'm not confusing noobs by telling them the same thing as, well, anyone else knowledgeable here.
I'm not telling them to case with straw or manure. Can't just call it "bulk substrate" and say it's all the same, that coir is just as bad as casing as those other materials. The difference between "bulk" and "casing" when it comes to coir, as you're forcing it, is as good as semantic when the real-life experience is no difference. Conflating coir with those other materials is misrepresentative...
...and I think you're doing it on purpose to stir up shit.
Try starting this shit with the other TCs next time you see THEM say that coir is OK for casing. Say that THEY are spreading "bad ideas". Type up a million accusing sentences to THEM giving them nonsense about acknowledging that it is more than acceptable and experientially similar if not the very same.
Straighten your priorities out. And in the parlance of my peoples, "git gud"
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
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you know V, if you put half as much energy into learning cultivation basics as you put into arguing with people about your feelings, youd probably have figured out how to do bulk by now... lol
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
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You can tell you won an argument when the "opponent" just falls into drivel and personal belittlement, totally abandoning any semblance of counter-point
lol, kid I TEACH the basics. Go read my teks. Start with the truffles, they're the easiest  Or maybe you can show us YOUR years of accomplishment and material?
 
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What was that about me growing bulk? Fail insult is fail.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206913 - 03/30/17 11:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol not quite... i will leave the novelty grows, reinventing the wheel, "ferts," "potency boosters," and all-knowing "everybody picks on me for no reason" crap to you hahaha....
this is what learning the basics gets you:
       
for the life of me i dont understand why you got all defensive and started calling me names and shit.... i never had a problem with you before.... i just wanted to know if you had a good reason for using coir vs 50/50+.... i just came to discuss cultivation principles, no idea why you would take things so out of context or feel so personally degraded over the discussion points...
lol.... millennials always take everything that isnt "OMG YOU ARE 100% CORRECT AND THE BEST AT EVERYTHING!" as a personal and vindictive attack, never to be forgiven.....
believe it or not, its not personal for some of us; we came to discuss cultivation principles and learn
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24206931 - 03/30/17 11:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're trying to make this a dick-measuring contest?
... and yet, post such a small dick?
Cool hood, otherwise your photos are of boring yields - who cares? put culture to substrate and wait - and one WAY over-grown monotub. Sorry but I'm not impressed. Any hack can buy or build a nice hood. Anyone who grows mushrooms can show some on a scale. Anyone who throws some colonized grain and watermass sub in a tub can let their mushrooms over-mature and call it a "canopy".
I teach only a fraction of what I know, and what I've taught here alone is far more than what you have to show for yourself.
Plus. You call my grows "novelty", but after seeing that hot mess, I have no doubt that lb for lb of grain I out-grow you, and with higher quality cultures.
btw pretending people are offended and/or defensive is sooooooo pleb, learn some cooler trolling tactics
I got my laughs in. Can this be a thread about RGS bottle grows again now?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206943 - 03/30/17 11:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think c10 has the best flowhood build write-up on the forums.
If anything he'll be the one you're buying a hood from
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24206951 - 03/30/17 11:41 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh I definitely complimented the hood. Don't confuse me on that, it looks really nice, nicer than mine. I don't buy them tho, I made it
Edit: For the record c10, you were the first between us to start swearing and accusing people of reading comprehension issue. I simply stuck to/reiterated/elaborated my stance, which is basically shared by pretty much all the advisors here, throughout all my responses to you until you got belittling and edgy with me (but then blamed it on me?).
By the sounds of it, if you weren't selecting random people to unexplainably harass for saying coir is an acceptable casing ingredient (instead of the advisors that are on here every day saying so - as I said before, why not give THEM a hard time about it before me?), we'd have no cause to butt heads and maybe would be pretty agreeable. That'd be my preference. I can only take from your actions here that it isn't yours?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206987 - 03/31/17 12:00 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet said: You're trying to make this a dick-measuring contest?
... and yet, post such a small dick?
I teach only a fraction of what I know, and what I've taught here alone is far more than what you have to show for yourself.
Plus. You call my grows "novelty", but after seeing that hot mess, I have no doubt that lb for lb of grain I out-grow you, and with higher quality cultures.
lol.... youd prob be a better cultivator if you had more doubts...
if that was a dick measuring contest, i'm shane diesel and you are.... well... female
right, my 3496g single flush off of a 66qt with 4 qts spawn was weak as fuck.... probably a record, but still weak for V (who hasnt even figured out bulk, or clean spawn for that matter)
and that 295 gram fruit? soooooooo fucking small... nevermind that it might be the biggest fruit anyone has grown on the forum (only seen 1 wild one bigger), its small as fuck

you are nothing short of hilarious
"i guarantee you, theres no problem. i guarantee you"
you think everyone is mean because you are completely oblivious to the Sisyphean task you send people on every time you log in, forcing anyone cares about correct/clear content to scramble for hours correcting the misinformation you spout with the confidence of paul stamets and the cult knowledge of a noob with a kit. i dont think you realize how much work it is trying to make things clear and accurate for noobs, because you are working folks to death with the misinfo that gets indexed in search engines
and if you think im saying anything to you that i wouldnt say to anyone else who told a noob it was ok to case with a bulk sub (using a CVG tek), you are quite wrong. you arent special, no one is picking on you, and yes i would absolutely ask ANYONE why they would use a bulk sub for a casing rather than a proper mix (most would say something reasonable like "didnt have time to mix it")
i didnt say you were a bad person for casing with coir, didnt say it was ridiculous. i said it was bad technique vs using a real casing mix, and asked for reasons why. and you got mad and started doin this "everybody picks on me for no reason" thing
NO ONE could get away with saying the stuff you say without being questioned, or "ridiculed" as you see it
noobs (and "vets") need to understand the difference in bulk substrate vs casing mix, bulk vs novelty, etc... lets not confuse them
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
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I quit reading after the first dumb sentence. How I know this is stupid is that you're actually saying I can't make clean spawn or grow bulk, which it would take a blind person to miss the stupidity of. At this point, either you actually believe that and are like, maybe, actually retarded, or you know it's untrue and are just being petty and trolling. Either way you're not worth my time, so, goodbye.
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By the sounds of it, if ... ... ... we'd have no cause to butt heads and maybe would be pretty agreeable. That'd be my preference. I can only take from your actions here that it isn't yours?
I was clearly correct
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24207006 - 03/31/17 12:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man i wish i was cool enough to argue on the internet ....
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Marmie]
#24207023 - 03/31/17 12:26 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think everyone needs to chill out. hit the books, and grow some mushrooms. who cares. if it works for you guys fantastic. lol do what you guys do best.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Ziran]
#24207053 - 03/31/17 12:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Marmie said: Man i wish i was cool enough to argue on the internet ....

 Got a genuine laugh out of me
Almost as much as seeing dude go from this...
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c10h12n2o said: I've never used vtek, but enjoy seeing vtek grows, they make for cool pics, and I've always appreciated and enjoyed the non standard views and techniques V brings to the forum, anything that fosters critical thinking and discussion is good in my book
... to that clusterfuck of butthurt drivel above just because I casually agree with, like, everybody that matters on the topic he harassed me on.
I can laugh at myself about it too, I've gotten in quite a few arguments on here about stuff. But at least those usually had some kind of productive nature, or were actually about a controversial topic, not just trying to assert that people are following a "bad idea" by putting coir in casings which is ridiculous
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You are right of course.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24207057 - 03/31/17 12:47 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: this is why we use 50/50+ (peat/verm + oyster shell and/or lime), a non-nutritive casing layer to create a good microclimate for pinning on the substrate surface, oyster shell as a ph buffer and lime to set the ph slightly basic so that is less susceptible to mold and takes longer to acidify
with straight coir, the surface starts acidic and becomes more acidic as it is digested. most people dont case cubes for monotubs, etc, so obviously a colonized uncased CVG substrate can do just fine, but casing with coir undermines many of the reasons to use a casing. (that doesnt mean it wont work, just seems like bad technique, though i am certainly open to explanation if this is not the case)
Alright, looks like I'll need to hunt down peat at some point if I wanna case future things. Peat is something that needs pasteurising, right?
at least OP learned something (even if "OG" got mad)
sorry i didnt address your question OP, got distracted for a moment by our friendly neighborhood comedian
yes, you are correct, youd want to properly pasteurize your casing mix for best results... (though some people sterilize, and god knows what else) you should hit craigslist and grab a "roaster oven" for 10$ (or buy one new), and a couple of thermometers. these things make it damn easy to pasteurize anything (cept straw), just throw it in freezer bags and set the temp at 165 and set a timer. i have 4 of them, doesnt get any simpler, and proper pasteurization opens the door to all kinds of fun stuff (god bless hpoo)
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bastard4life said: I was talking to a fellow member about his constant trich problems. I told him not to worry try and clean your setup and try again. Mad season specifically said that he's had trich a few times in his monos and aside from removing the substrate which is in a liner he doesn't clean the bin. He makes a new liner and spawns to bulk. He went on to say that if the spawn is clean the spores in the mono won't ever impede with the grow until it's too damaged and he's about done. I'll look it up and put it on here in a few.
I don't use liners :P I spawn substrates directly in containers that obviously contained trich right up against the plastic before. At most they get a soap and water cleaning. Sometimes it's spawned against this big green spot where the trich was and it still colonizes and fruits just fine lol.
Some tubs are caked in spores from 2012, and they had many trich outbreaks. Now they're just used as tray FCs.
I understand that everyone has a different situation, but you can quite easily grow with very little sterility, the only place worth getting anal about is my SAB.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Mad Season]
#24207535 - 03/31/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's the facts if you don't give up and learn sterile technique and clean spawn.
Cups, cakes, and any unbroken colony fruited as is will mitigate some sloppy technique and some contaminants
Seems like veryone who had problems that actually dug to the bottom of it is able to grow in even the most disgusting places. You just have to admit that bulk doesn't magically contaminate because it's not in sterile conditions anymore
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24207628 - 03/31/17 09:19 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not here to take sides just wanted to say that I like coir casing and while sometimes it does get overrun, I have had peat overrun just as often.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24207654 - 03/31/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you think is the reason the coir casing gets overrun? I've seen both, colonized casing and not colonized. I have a guess but it's just pure speculation.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Josex] 1
#24207666 - 03/31/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have absolutely no idea. Some myc is just aggressive AF. I remember having a tub with 4 trays all cased with 50/50+ 1 tray colonized through. 2 of them colonized slightly and 1 of them colonized none at all.
All were in the same environment with the same amount of misting. The only difference was genetics..
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Mad Season]
#24207676 - 03/31/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm thinking combination of genetics and whether it's in a fruiting state or colonizing state when applied.
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#24207793 - 03/31/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im thinking people give way to much of a shit about nutrition when yield per materials used is a far better metric for most people to concentrate on.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24207830 - 03/31/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Definitely. That's the standard I use, yield-per-grain by weight. Which comes out to be nearly the same thing as determining yield-per-expense.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24207957 - 03/31/17 11:44 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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For me i could do yield by grain by weight and find grass seed to be best but at 12 dollars for 50 pounds oats beat the fucking piss out of grass seed as spawn. So my yield per expense is great but oats weigh more big deal
And i don't just count grain. Count substrate and all other materials too
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
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Obviously that depends on the method. Oats and rye are less expensive for me but are more troublesome in the methods of my choice, and are ultimately less worth it, since I have to case them as well unlike grass seed (I've gotten to doing more and more of my pods and less of what people call v tek, with the short containers). Grass seed is still pretty damn affordable for me too.
What OP is doing here, he might as well have had some denser, cheaper grain, since he's putting them in a chamber with a casing. I still use grass seed for this sometimes but it's totally for the faster cycle it affords.
Yeah you definitely have to count bulk substrates too when you use them, of course. That's actually much of why I don't. It only took a few months of watering grains before it became apparent bulk subs hadn't been improving things for me enough to warrant their cost, preparation, extra inoc, massive storage and FC space, and disposal; when measuring by yield-per-grain I saw negligible increases or maybe none at all.
Given, that involved letting my subs flush as long as they would, but it's always so worth it to me especially when it's all so easy this way
Anyways I still use rye and sawdust for shiitake
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#24208084 - 03/31/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think methods where the colony remains unbroken is very forgiving of bacteria. I have inoculated cakes, bottles, grains (cased later of course) with bacterial liquid media and all colonized and flushed multiple times.
But I am mostly interested in the first flush for most of my projects. I think my bathtub grow was the first I let get through 3 in ages.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Maybe that's the case with bacterial inoculant, I wouldn't know, never tried... mostly just never get much bacterial stuff, nor do I often use liquid for Cubensis other than putting sterile water on poms to shake around and pour away. In my experiments finding how low I could get my sterilization times with grass seed in plastic pints I did not find any significant bacteria remaining within the grains to be very forgiving at all. I'd get surface colonization, but never true nice thick growth, and no fruits.
There's definitely something satisfying about getting a massive flush and being done with it. I just prefer running things out to efficiency, and my rice cakes stay healthy and flushing soooooo loooong.
Mind sharing a link to that grow? Sounds cool!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
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for 3 tubs
16 jars of oats is like $1.92 or less worth of grain at 0.25 cents a pound. 3 bricks of coir is 6.99 no gypsum and no vermiculite used one tub gets an extra quart of spawn
I can do 3 bricks of coir at the same time. just have to boil 12-13 quarts of water put in bucket wait over night use the next day, nearly 0 work or effort for substrate prep.
oat prep is the same complexity as preparing ramen noodles,
so I'm at 9 dollars in materials for 1 pound of dry mushrooms first flush. and working for only 15-30 minutes at a crack a few times a week.
let's just over estimate the costs and call it 20 dollars in materials because you know electricity, some 70% iso got sprayed, a few paper towels used, etc...
all my methods have been centered around that idea of doing less work, as little maintenance as possible, and buying as little shit as possible. Granted I already have jars and lids and a PC etc...
It's a little hard to get a comprehensive cost analysis because you have to factor in your time and things like electric/gas.
I spent more money making 12 pf cakes and getting a little under 2 ounces dry from multiple flushes.
what most people say they want is less work, less money spent, more mushrooms made. so when someone asks for a critique of their methods It's hard to say "looks good" when you're spending at least twice what I do and doing more work, and getting less.
Here's pasty's bath tub
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24208162 - 03/31/17 01:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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The tub was fun but I will nail it next time. Learned a lot with that grow though. But it won't make it to the favorite grow logs link. My zaps are still my favorite grow for this year.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
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You still did pretty good! That second flush looks glorious, still.
Doing some math backwards, based on 1 lb final dry yield (454g) from containers of 75g rice each (before hydration) getting 20g dry yield each (still under 300%BE) with one of my tested cultures, it would take 22-23 of my containers to yield that. At 6 containers per pound of rice, it would take me less than 4 pounds of rice, putting my cost at under 3 dollars.
Given of course that I already own the containers which are the only other material required besides a small bit of microwave-prepared potting soil. And also given that I'm letting those containers flush out for quite a bit longer than growers like you will. But when they don't even require a fruiting chamber, and all they take is a bit of water and harvesting, may it suffice to say that doesn't bother me one bit.
By the way, even using a fruiting chamber with pint containers lining the bottom, that would still only take about ... 2 tubs.
 Or less, depending on their size That one had like 16 and wasn't even full.
 I think these big ones hold 19. So almost the whole one-pound grow, by those above numbers.
And meanwhile I'm cycling out the finished or contaminated ones, never having to wait for the fruiting chamber's contents to colonize.
It's just all a part of one's own methodology. Mine certainly works fantastically for me, with nothing ordered online, and nothing purchased that I wouldn't be throwing in my grocery cart anyway. Frankly I never even notice myself spend the money on it, now that I own a stock of containers and my cooker.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
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holy hell. That song worked wonders. lol
everyone got busy.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Ziran]
#24208683 - 03/31/17 04:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I let a coir tub go multiple flushes it usual works out to be over 3oz per quart of spawn used but the mushrooms are too big. No one wants to eat part of one mushroom.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24208808 - 03/31/17 05:08 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If I let a coir tub go multiple flushes it usual works out to be over 3oz per quart of spawn used but the mushrooms are too big. No one wants to eat part of one mushroom.
I won't mind as long as I can finish the whole thing
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pipefitter537]
#24208829 - 03/31/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ones that are 5-10 grams dry are usually frowned on by most except the one that grew em
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24210754 - 04/01/17 12:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol thats the truth... ive never even shown any of my dried monsters (like that 295g "tiny dick" ) to people, theres no way theyd believe its a cube weighing around an ounce dry hahah....
i have a whole set of cultures where my goal was to produce personal bests for largest fruits and largest yield per amount of spawn, a few lines really excel at that task and basically get as big as youll let them
i had a lot of fun growing monsters, and i doubt i will get another tub over 3.5kg in a single flush without staying on task
for current projects im mainly focusing on experimental stuff and exotics (i like to challenge myself )
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24210970 - 04/01/17 01:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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As an update they're now colonising the CVG. I dunno if that's good or bad but at least there's no trich yet.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24211236 - 04/01/17 03:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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definitely good that your myc is active, and not green 
as you figured out, CVG is a bulk substrate, not an ideal casing mix. but that doesnt mean it wont work, depending on what you are trying to do
the point of a casing layer is to provide an ideal microclimate for the formation of pins, not to be fully colonized (which is the goal with a bulk substrate). so if it gets fully colonized, its kinda like you didnt use a casing layer at all, just another layer of bulk substrate
coir is actually quite good at providing said microclimate, but it often doesnt last long because it gets colonized and then acidifies. 50/50+ gives a bit of a buffer. Of course, you dont HAVE to ph adjust 50/50, or anything else, but there is sound reasoning behind why people do
so where coir (or CVG) is likely to fully colonize, 50/50+ is a little less likely to fully colonize (though really aggressive myc can certainly do it), and more likely to hang around long enough to provide that microclimate the pins want.
which is exactly what pasty was saying (really hit the nail on the head)
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Pastywhyte said: Not here to take sides just wanted to say that I like coir casing and while sometimes it does get overrun, I have had peat overrun just as often.
although i dont think there are sides to take, theres the people discussing mush cult and comparing the pros and cons of casing with coir vs 50/50+, and then theres the person talking about their feelings and how everyone is biased against them i dont even see where theres a disagreement, even V said it wasnt ideal when i first brought it up, then emotions took over
thats what happens when people get desperate for a cartoon bad guy... they get emotional and mischaracterize and misunderstand basic points.... i think its fairly clear that no one ever said you couldnt case with coir
can you post some pics of how they are currently? like V said, you definitely want to get all that uncolonized grain off, thats asking for problems...
i havent worked much with bottles yet, but i love the pics they make for they will definitely figure prominently into some of my current and future projects though (more exotics and experimental stuff, less bulk)
Also, bear in mind, most people dont usually case cubes. it seems to be a bit more common in btl grows, probably due to the very limited fruiting area, but most people skip the casing on monotubs, etc., unless they have a specific reason for using it (ie, PE, which tends to blob a lot without a casing)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24211317 - 04/01/17 04:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I case cubes not just PE and have never seen coir casings contam. Peat based casing contams a lot faster IME.
This casing had to last 46 days before pins showed. It never contamed. In fact the long pin time of this species was the reason I chose to case with coir to begin with.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24211951 - 04/01/17 09:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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interesting, when did you case it (in the timeline)? also, when using coir as a casing do you do anything different from a standard coir prep for bulk sub?
of course there are lots of factors involved, and a peat-based casing would be even MORE susceptible to mold if it was particularly acidic (which peat tends to be, before adjusting with lime and oyster flour, etc)
also a coir based casing wouldnt be any more likely to contam than a coir based sub
i also case cubes pretty often, it really helps the pinset with particular cultures, and seems totally irrelevant on others. just wanted to make sure OP understood that it wasnt required for cubes, and that most people tend not to for that reason
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o] 1
#24212016 - 04/01/17 09:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude C10 you came off like quite the dick over a topic that you were wrong about
You said that Bodhi does plenty of grows off of coir with most of the nutrition coming from the coir. That is straight wrong. Most of your nutes come from your spawn, no matter the sub.Quote:
c10h12n2o said: coir is a LOOOOOOOONG way from non-nutritive, lots of people (like bodhi) get massive crops out of CVG alone (with most of the nutrients coming from the coir)
You said a bunch of other wrong shit that I don't feel like going back and quoting, but if you are gonna cause a 5 page bitch out of another member over a subject, you better actually know what you are talking about cause you just look like a dick to me
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24212067 - 04/01/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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what was i wrong about? does bodhi not grow huge crops off CVG? and how was i a dick? the only way anyone could think i thought coir couldnt be used as a casing is if they cant read well
people shouldnt be offended by discussion about cultivation, im not emotionally invested in any theory, im here to learn and discuss... some people just have thin skin and want to talk feelings rather than cultivation
i didnt say the nutrition came EXCLUSIVELY from coir, i said mainly, which is something i could very well be wrong about, i should have said "comes from coir + spawn", or "largely from coir." but either way, my point is absolutely true, coir provides nutrition any way you slice it
that doesnt mean that nothing else is nutritious, or that spawn doesnt provide nutrition: of course they do
spawn, being the initial(ish) colony, will have the most established mycelium, and will thus be digested the longest and most thoroughly. so in the time frame of our projects, it almost certainly provides most of the nutrition, being the longest and most digested
but in a project like my 66qt tub pictured above, where i used 4 qts spawn and harvested 3496g off of a single flush, it is more than obvious that the bulk sub provides at least some of the nutrition
ive never claimed to be an authority on anything, thats why i ask questions... i can certainly talk about mush cult without getting emotional or getting my feelings hurt though, and i honestly believe other people should be able to as well
i would much rather talk about the mush cult than how much member X thinks member Y likes member Z..... i dont have much patience for that
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24212094 - 04/01/17 10:15 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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My camera is awful at macro style pics so I'll have to wait a few more days to capture how its colonising. In general however it seems to be growing directly up and through the CVG rather than growing sideways, so I hope this means it'll pin soon?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24212106 - 04/01/17 10:21 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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did you at least remove the uncolonized grains, etc? probably, when you cased?
that was the most glaring problem in your OP
from what you are saying, should be good, just keep moisture and FAE where they need to be and you should see something soon
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24212111 - 04/01/17 10:23 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh yeah I did I removed them pretty much as soon as someone brought it up like 5 ish days ago. The logic seemed good so I followed it!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24212124 - 04/01/17 10:30 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haha ok whatever dude. I couldn't care less about the popularity contest, I'm talking about how you derailed somebody's thread with 5 pages of talking about how coir isn't used as a casing layer and saying coir accounts for the majority of a tubs nutrition 
I couldn't care less about someone else's feelings, which is why I felt confident calling you out in the first place. You can defend all you want, I'm just callin it like I see it.
Your yield in that tub has way more to do with your culture and its ability to perform than it does the nutrition of the coir. Ask any TC and they'll tell you the same thing It may like a coir substrate especially and that could be why it performed so well, but the coir's actual nutrition means very little.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24212149 - 04/01/17 10:44 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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derailed? i think ive been quite helpful to OP...
on the other hand, i dont see what you telling me you dont like me adds to the discussion...
funny how only the people misunderstanding/mischaractarizing what i said seem to think i said anything incorrect.... your cartoon bad guy doesnt exist
seems like everyone who understands the discussion has just expanded upon it and discussed how these ideas relate to one another... which is a lot more interesting than some strawman argument about something no one thinks
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24212181 - 04/01/17 11:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Uh I'm the one that originally told op to scrape off the verm casing he had in a different thread when it wasn't doing anything 
You can keep deflecting, I'm not mad about it 
There was no misunderstanding, I quoted your exact words 
LLL, hope that coir casing does a little better than the verm
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24212209 - 04/01/17 11:23 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: LLL, hope that coir casing does a little better than the verm
Like I say, I'm a lot happier simply because it's doing something now. 8 days of stagnation had me concerned the mycelium had just died or something. It didn't want to colonise the verm, nor knot up, nor much of anything.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24212248 - 04/01/17 11:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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deflecting what? i dont understand your point, other than that you dont like me... lets talk cultivation anyone who even remotely understands this discussion knows that:
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1. spawn is the substrate which has been decomposing the longest and most thoroughly
2. per amount of each component, spawn will provide the most nutrition in EVERY case (a larger percentage of the mycs available nutrients will have come from spawn, compared to the percentage of the bulk sub consumed, whether coir/hpoo/straw/whatever)
3. cereals are VERY dense in nutrients; we can fruit straight grain
4. cubes are 90% water, and the bulk sub is primarily for supplying this water
5. the grain spawn alone provides sufficient nutrients to fruit, so a basic recipe for success is nutrients in spawn + water in sub = fruits
6. in addition to the nutrients absorbed from the grain spawn, the myc also takes in nutrients from the bulk sub
7. proportionately, the nutrients from the sub will be smaller than the proportion of the nutrients from grain spawn (especially by the first flush), but as a percentage of the total, this will vary from very little to a lot
8. ultimately, and this is important, whether most of the total nutrients come from grain or sub doesnt necessarily affect the quality/quantity of the fruits. this is PRECISELY why you dont NEED straw/hpoo/etc to grow lots of killer fruits, the grain nutes + sub water is all you NEED
9.in any grow, the percentage of nutrients from grain vs bulk sub will ALWAYS vary between grows, and is ultimately unknowable
and when i said, as you quoted:
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coir is a LOOOOOOOONG way from non-nutritive, lots of people (like bodhi) get massive crops out of CVG alone (with most of the nutrients coming from the coir)
i was simply saying coir is nutritious for cube myc, and pointing out that the coir provides at least some of the nutrients (and can provide a LOT of nutrients), and is therefore nutritious.
as i said, "most" was not the best word choice where "largely coming from coir" would have been more clear, but if you think that constitutes some kind of "gotcha" you are completely misunderstanding what i was talking about (whether or not coir is nutritious)
if you disagree with anything, please explain why, clearly, and we can discuss it... you might just teach me something (happens every day, all day)! im more than happy being wrong if i learn something... but id certainly appreciate a discussion about the principles involved more than a discussion of who likes who though....
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24212291 - 04/02/17 12:29 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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is the thing about the coir nutrition being "locked up" in lignin true? If so, how does the mycelium use it? Is it dependent on there being an already-active colony that can break down the lignin as opposed to the easier-access nutrients of say...grain spawn (which can allow spores to germinate on it from intruder cultures)?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24212313 - 04/02/17 12:51 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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of course there is a lot to be said for the nutrients mostly coming from the grains, but certainly not all, since grows can be light on spawn and still put out huge crops.
Light on spawn in cube cultivation is nowhere near the actual light on spawn mark. Edible growers use a fraction of our spawn ratios, not always with supplementation, and still get yields. We use an obscene amount of spawn in our grows.
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i dont understand why you are so upset, or sentimental about bad/outdated ideas
There is nothing bad or outdated about using coir as a casing. I case all my tubs in coir and they come out just fine and so do a lot of cultivators here. You going around telling people it doesn't work and has a better chance of contaminating because of acidity compared to peat is crazy seeing as peat will contam real quick if not pasteurized correctly.
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OP cased with CVG because they completely misunderstood the difference between bulk sub and casing mix. rather than explain the difference, you confused them worse and got all pissed... you should know better V, these are the basics
Uh no OP cased with CVG because that is what they had on hand and it is perfectly fine as a casing layer, I definitely think that if anyone is being confusing here, it's you
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if you put half as much energy into learning cultivation basics as you put into arguing with people about your feelings, youd probably have figured out how to do bulk by now
Perfect example, along with many others, of someone just jumping on the shroomery hive mind band wagon.
I never made this a discussion about who likes who I just said you were arguing a point that is pretty well accepted on this site to be false and being a dick while doing it. I was just pointing that out
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lovelaughlibs said: is the thing about the coir nutrition being "locked up" in lignin true? If so, how does the mycelium use it? Is it dependent on there being an already-active colony that can break down the lignin as opposed to the easier-access nutrients of say...grain spawn (which can allow spores to germinate on it from intruder cultures)?
Supposedly, yes. This is why cooking it is supposed to make it more easily digestible.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24212395 - 04/02/17 02:20 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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again, maybe all those logic classes fucked my head up and made me crazy but i dont see where there is an argument... if you want to try to "call someone out" as you put it, its important that you characterize what we are discussing correctly, otherwise its just a straw man... and totally not constructive
you are totally mischaracterizing what i said. i asked a question, and then discussed the various pros and cons of a highly nutritious casing vs a (comparatively) less nutritious casing... certainly never "went around telling people coir wouldnt work as a casing"
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c10h12n2o said: why would you use a nutritive casing? (coir) vs a standard mix like 50/50+?
of course it might work, but please explain how it's not bad technique vs a non nutritive casing?
op needs to understand the purpose of a casing layer
discussing the pros and cons of various casing methods does not mean you cant case with coir or that it would not work....
you need to comprehend what you are reading before you try to "argue"
if youd read a little more slowly, and calm down a bit, i bet you could understand that the only "argument" was whether or not coir was nutritious... everything else seems to be consensus (besides proportion of nutrients from spawn vs sub, which is unknowable and variable, and seemingly not significant to yields or potency as best we can tell)
oh yeah, and whether or not a 294 gram fruit was "small", i think we disagreed about that as well
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24212885 - 04/02/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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A "highly nutritious" casing would be casing with a layer of hydrated grass seed. Coir is not "highly nutritious". We have all always known that, except apparently you. It's why it can be pasteurized and used open-air - even "bucket tek"'d.
Frankly he's exactly right. You're acting innocent now, but you were being a massive, MASSIVE prick to me over a point you were indeed wrong to be pushing the way, and to the extent, you were, especially when the supposed experiential inferiority of using coir you keep yelling about has been confirmed not to exist by pros in this very thread.
For being so quick to pretend that the you we're responding to doesn't exist, you for one are pretending things happened that didn't, such as that I ever commented on the size of your toadstool which I did not.
It's surprising you're even trying so hard to save face now. Just let it go man, quit while you're behind.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24212901 - 04/02/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't bother, V.
I call this the cartman effect. Your brain literally convinces you that you are right when wrong or innocent when guilty. Kind of like that south park episode about fish sticks when cartman convinces jimmy that he wrote the joke even though jimmy wrote it. His ego wouldn't let him accept that he didn't actually write it
Anyway I think that you and Bodhi are like the old married couple of cult and other members just like to jump on the bandwagon of dogging on you.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24213025 - 04/02/17 11:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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*sigh* you're, right, I shouldn't try.
Got a big kick out of the Cartman effect though! Gonna have to remember that one!
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natedawgnow said: Anyway I think that you and Bodhi are like the old married couple of cult and other members just like to jump on the bandwagon of dogging on you.
 True as it may seem now, no matter how monstrous his post count gets, to me bodhisatta will always be the little noob who jumped on FrankHorrigan's vendetta's bandwagon, & held on for dear life!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24213039 - 04/02/17 11:43 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with Nate you guys argue like yur married but it usually brings up decent discussion.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: van hatton] 1
#24213065 - 04/02/17 11:58 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Some people are here for the right reasons. Im more focused on them
People that state theories as facts to get noobs to coddle their egos piss me off, my problem has nothing to do with frank, you give me plenty of my own reasons to want to facepalm
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24213066 - 04/02/17 11:59 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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That would be all well and good if they made that kind of sense.
Bet let's not do this again right now.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24213074 - 04/02/17 12:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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We can fine-tune materials/preparation, culture, and procedure to make the most of the mycelium's capability. This can have quite a positive effect on potency. But is there anything we can do to straight-up boost power? Why yes, my friends, there is!
Aren't you excited? That would be an incredible thing to implement! Aren't you skeptical? Many things have been tried in the name of this, and nothing has really seemed to do it.
Fortunately you don't have to stay skeptical for long! I felt that it was pointless to be skeptical, critical, hopeful, anything until I found out for myself. An experiment is simple and easy. It may even come to feel like a magic trick once you understand it, but it is not magic at all. It is elegant in its simplicity and affords astounding results with the proper guidance.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24213092 - 04/02/17 12:10 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not everyone believes the correlation between consolidation and potency either. (I say "either", but that's actually a part of my statement there) That doesn't bother me either.
Want to actually discuss the biological precedents for my assertions? We can, if you want to. You're the one bringing up the topic, after all. I've got plenty. If you're gonna ridicule me on the topic, wouldn't I deserve a chance to defend it?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24213097 - 04/02/17 12:12 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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It goes past that even down to style and intent
Ill let you have the last word.
Edited by bodhisatta (04/02/17 12:17 PM)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24213098 - 04/02/17 12:13 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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So pretty much you don't like how I talk about it.
Big fuckin whoop. Is it seriously worth all this to you? How petty.
... and for the record this is EXACTLY FrankHorrigan's vendetta (setting aside the other part since he was shown wrong about my tek's yields potential)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24213206 - 04/02/17 12:55 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Guys how about a new thread to discuss this? I would hate to have to lock this one for being off topic. Thanks.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24213264 - 04/02/17 01:24 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol... alright, since neither of yall seem to be able to form a rational argument about mush cult, and you just keep reiterating that you dont like me.... you clearly dont read very well (but im sure you know this if youve ever taken a standardized test )
you keep talking about "face" and ego, which are not really important or interesting to those of us who came to discuss cult principles...
funny how this happens in nearly every one of Vs thread (read her back posts for a belly laugh)
she states madeup theories as if they were facts, confuses noobs to where they dont even know the difference between bulk sub and casing (PURPOSE, not MATERIAL), and then cries foul, takes it personally, and says people are being mean when people who know what they are talking about come in to try to tie up the loose ends
if frankhorrigan says youre talking out of your ass, you probably are... if bodhi has to fix nearly every post you make on the forum, you are definitely talkin out your ass... if mods have to delete your teks because they are so full of bad info, you are definitely talking out your ass... or maybe everyone is just mean and biased
dunno why you cant talk about whether or not you think coir is nutritious without being so emotional, and so emotionally invested in a discussion, callin names, callin foul every 2 seconds, calling people mean/dicks, etc... some of us are actually interested in learning, and have no emotional attachment to the discussion... it just makes you seem underage (which is even worse since you probably arent)...
i will say it again, just like i told v when she first started flippin the fuck out, "CALM DOWN" , read slower, and you can probably have this discussion like an adult... maybe....
this reminds me so much of the people who make threads going from spores to LC, then some kind gentleman comes in and says "remember spores are filthy, LI > LC for your purposes", and then they go "YOURE FUCKIN WRONG YOU MEAN ASSHOLE!! THE LEGENDARY PASTY SAYS LCs ARE FINE!!!!!" 
its like, well yeah, if you had actually READ and COMPREHENDED pastys LC tek, you would already know this; pasty did a phenomenal job explaining the pros and cons of LI (safer) vs LC (HUGE expansion potential), and when each was called for (when making LC, use clean tissue not spores, etc)
edit: re pasty: definitely seems to be getting there, no one wants to talk cultivation. OP wanted to talk cult, so we have been talking about it over PM... i had to +5 him for stayin on topic so bloody well in the midst of all these feelings haha
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24213274 - 04/02/17 01:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude, even bodhi and I know when to stop.
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Violet said: btw pretending people are offended and/or defensive is sooooooo pleb, learn some cooler trolling tactics
I got my laughs in. Can this be a thread about RGS bottle grows again now?
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Pastywhyte said: Guys how about a new thread to discuss this? I would hate to have to lock this one for being off topic. Thanks.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24213295 - 04/02/17 01:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have decided that this thread won't be locked. Bans will happen instead. Warnings have been issued. Let's keep this one on topic please.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24222056 - 04/06/17 02:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have 4 more RGS bottles that are 90%+ colonised that I'll add to the monotub soon!
Meanwhile, the original batch are colonising the CVG quite nicely. Maybe in a few days they'll start to knot up!
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24222087 - 04/06/17 03:40 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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lovelaughlibs said: I have 4 more RGS bottles that are 90%+ colonised that I'll add to the monotub soon!
Meanwhile, the original batch are colonising the CVG quite nicely. Maybe in a few days they'll start to knot up!
lets see some sexyness
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Ziran]
#24251542 - 04/17/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Still no pins. It's colonised the casing. Considering they were put into fruiting 28 DAYS AGO by now I'm starting to get a little short tempered.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24252501 - 04/17/17 07:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24252750 - 04/17/17 08:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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28 days later...zombies!
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