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c10h12n2o
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206913 - 03/30/17 11:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol not quite... i will leave the novelty grows, reinventing the wheel, "ferts," "potency boosters," and all-knowing "everybody picks on me for no reason" crap to you hahaha....
this is what learning the basics gets you:
       
for the life of me i dont understand why you got all defensive and started calling me names and shit.... i never had a problem with you before.... i just wanted to know if you had a good reason for using coir vs 50/50+.... i just came to discuss cultivation principles, no idea why you would take things so out of context or feel so personally degraded over the discussion points...
lol.... millennials always take everything that isnt "OMG YOU ARE 100% CORRECT AND THE BEST AT EVERYTHING!" as a personal and vindictive attack, never to be forgiven.....
believe it or not, its not personal for some of us; we came to discuss cultivation principles and learn
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Edited by c10h12n2o (03/30/17 11:32 PM)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24206931 - 03/30/17 11:34 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're trying to make this a dick-measuring contest?
... and yet, post such a small dick?
Cool hood, otherwise your photos are of boring yields - who cares? put culture to substrate and wait - and one WAY over-grown monotub. Sorry but I'm not impressed. Any hack can buy or build a nice hood. Anyone who grows mushrooms can show some on a scale. Anyone who throws some colonized grain and watermass sub in a tub can let their mushrooms over-mature and call it a "canopy".
I teach only a fraction of what I know, and what I've taught here alone is far more than what you have to show for yourself.
Plus. You call my grows "novelty", but after seeing that hot mess, I have no doubt that lb for lb of grain I out-grow you, and with higher quality cultures.
btw pretending people are offended and/or defensive is sooooooo pleb, learn some cooler trolling tactics
I got my laughs in. Can this be a thread about RGS bottle grows again now?
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206943 - 03/30/17 11:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think c10 has the best flowhood build write-up on the forums.
If anything he'll be the one you're buying a hood from
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24206951 - 03/30/17 11:41 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh I definitely complimented the hood. Don't confuse me on that, it looks really nice, nicer than mine. I don't buy them tho, I made it
Edit: For the record c10, you were the first between us to start swearing and accusing people of reading comprehension issue. I simply stuck to/reiterated/elaborated my stance, which is basically shared by pretty much all the advisors here, throughout all my responses to you until you got belittling and edgy with me (but then blamed it on me?).
By the sounds of it, if you weren't selecting random people to unexplainably harass for saying coir is an acceptable casing ingredient (instead of the advisors that are on here every day saying so - as I said before, why not give THEM a hard time about it before me?), we'd have no cause to butt heads and maybe would be pretty agreeable. That'd be my preference. I can only take from your actions here that it isn't yours?
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Edited by Violet (03/30/17 11:58 PM)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24206987 - 03/31/17 12:00 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Violet said: You're trying to make this a dick-measuring contest?
... and yet, post such a small dick?
I teach only a fraction of what I know, and what I've taught here alone is far more than what you have to show for yourself.
Plus. You call my grows "novelty", but after seeing that hot mess, I have no doubt that lb for lb of grain I out-grow you, and with higher quality cultures.
lol.... youd prob be a better cultivator if you had more doubts...
if that was a dick measuring contest, i'm shane diesel and you are.... well... female
right, my 3496g single flush off of a 66qt with 4 qts spawn was weak as fuck.... probably a record, but still weak for V (who hasnt even figured out bulk, or clean spawn for that matter)
and that 295 gram fruit? soooooooo fucking small... nevermind that it might be the biggest fruit anyone has grown on the forum (only seen 1 wild one bigger), its small as fuck

you are nothing short of hilarious
"i guarantee you, theres no problem. i guarantee you"
you think everyone is mean because you are completely oblivious to the Sisyphean task you send people on every time you log in, forcing anyone cares about correct/clear content to scramble for hours correcting the misinformation you spout with the confidence of paul stamets and the cult knowledge of a noob with a kit. i dont think you realize how much work it is trying to make things clear and accurate for noobs, because you are working folks to death with the misinfo that gets indexed in search engines
and if you think im saying anything to you that i wouldnt say to anyone else who told a noob it was ok to case with a bulk sub (using a CVG tek), you are quite wrong. you arent special, no one is picking on you, and yes i would absolutely ask ANYONE why they would use a bulk sub for a casing rather than a proper mix (most would say something reasonable like "didnt have time to mix it")
i didnt say you were a bad person for casing with coir, didnt say it was ridiculous. i said it was bad technique vs using a real casing mix, and asked for reasons why. and you got mad and started doin this "everybody picks on me for no reason" thing
NO ONE could get away with saying the stuff you say without being questioned, or "ridiculed" as you see it
noobs (and "vets") need to understand the difference in bulk substrate vs casing mix, bulk vs novelty, etc... lets not confuse them
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24207000 - 03/31/17 12:07 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I quit reading after the first dumb sentence. How I know this is stupid is that you're actually saying I can't make clean spawn or grow bulk, which it would take a blind person to miss the stupidity of. At this point, either you actually believe that and are like, maybe, actually retarded, or you know it's untrue and are just being petty and trolling. Either way you're not worth my time, so, goodbye.
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By the sounds of it, if ... ... ... we'd have no cause to butt heads and maybe would be pretty agreeable. That'd be my preference. I can only take from your actions here that it isn't yours?
I was clearly correct
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Can this be a thread about RGS bottle grows again now?
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Edited by Violet (03/31/17 12:16 AM)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24207006 - 03/31/17 12:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man i wish i was cool enough to argue on the internet ....
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Marmie]
#24207023 - 03/31/17 12:26 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think everyone needs to chill out. hit the books, and grow some mushrooms. who cares. if it works for you guys fantastic. lol do what you guys do best.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Ziran]
#24207053 - 03/31/17 12:45 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Marmie said: Man i wish i was cool enough to argue on the internet ....

 Got a genuine laugh out of me
Almost as much as seeing dude go from this...
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c10h12n2o said: I've never used vtek, but enjoy seeing vtek grows, they make for cool pics, and I've always appreciated and enjoyed the non standard views and techniques V brings to the forum, anything that fosters critical thinking and discussion is good in my book
... to that clusterfuck of butthurt drivel above just because I casually agree with, like, everybody that matters on the topic he harassed me on.
I can laugh at myself about it too, I've gotten in quite a few arguments on here about stuff. But at least those usually had some kind of productive nature, or were actually about a controversial topic, not just trying to assert that people are following a "bad idea" by putting coir in casings which is ridiculous
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Ziran said: I think everyone needs to chill out. hit the books, and grow some mushrooms. who cares. if it works for you guys fantastic. lol do what you guys do best.
You are right of course.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
#24207057 - 03/31/17 12:47 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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c10h12n2o said: this is why we use 50/50+ (peat/verm + oyster shell and/or lime), a non-nutritive casing layer to create a good microclimate for pinning on the substrate surface, oyster shell as a ph buffer and lime to set the ph slightly basic so that is less susceptible to mold and takes longer to acidify
with straight coir, the surface starts acidic and becomes more acidic as it is digested. most people dont case cubes for monotubs, etc, so obviously a colonized uncased CVG substrate can do just fine, but casing with coir undermines many of the reasons to use a casing. (that doesnt mean it wont work, just seems like bad technique, though i am certainly open to explanation if this is not the case)
Alright, looks like I'll need to hunt down peat at some point if I wanna case future things. Peat is something that needs pasteurising, right?
at least OP learned something (even if "OG" got mad)
sorry i didnt address your question OP, got distracted for a moment by our friendly neighborhood comedian
yes, you are correct, youd want to properly pasteurize your casing mix for best results... (though some people sterilize, and god knows what else) you should hit craigslist and grab a "roaster oven" for 10$ (or buy one new), and a couple of thermometers. these things make it damn easy to pasteurize anything (cept straw), just throw it in freezer bags and set the temp at 165 and set a timer. i have 4 of them, doesnt get any simpler, and proper pasteurization opens the door to all kinds of fun stuff (god bless hpoo)
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: c10h12n2o]
#24207073 - 03/31/17 01:01 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life] 1
#24207520 - 03/31/17 08:36 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bastard4life said: I was talking to a fellow member about his constant trich problems. I told him not to worry try and clean your setup and try again. Mad season specifically said that he's had trich a few times in his monos and aside from removing the substrate which is in a liner he doesn't clean the bin. He makes a new liner and spawns to bulk. He went on to say that if the spawn is clean the spores in the mono won't ever impede with the grow until it's too damaged and he's about done. I'll look it up and put it on here in a few.
I don't use liners :P I spawn substrates directly in containers that obviously contained trich right up against the plastic before. At most they get a soap and water cleaning. Sometimes it's spawned against this big green spot where the trich was and it still colonizes and fruits just fine lol.
Some tubs are caked in spores from 2012, and they had many trich outbreaks. Now they're just used as tray FCs.
I understand that everyone has a different situation, but you can quite easily grow with very little sterility, the only place worth getting anal about is my SAB.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Mad Season]
#24207535 - 03/31/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's the facts if you don't give up and learn sterile technique and clean spawn.
Cups, cakes, and any unbroken colony fruited as is will mitigate some sloppy technique and some contaminants
Seems like veryone who had problems that actually dug to the bottom of it is able to grow in even the most disgusting places. You just have to admit that bulk doesn't magically contaminate because it's not in sterile conditions anymore
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24207628 - 03/31/17 09:19 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not here to take sides just wanted to say that I like coir casing and while sometimes it does get overrun, I have had peat overrun just as often.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24207654 - 03/31/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you think is the reason the coir casing gets overrun? I've seen both, colonized casing and not colonized. I have a guess but it's just pure speculation.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Josex] 1
#24207666 - 03/31/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have absolutely no idea. Some myc is just aggressive AF. I remember having a tub with 4 trays all cased with 50/50+ 1 tray colonized through. 2 of them colonized slightly and 1 of them colonized none at all.
All were in the same environment with the same amount of misting. The only difference was genetics..
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Mad Season]
#24207676 - 03/31/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm thinking combination of genetics and whether it's in a fruiting state or colonizing state when applied.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Pastywhyte] 1
#24207793 - 03/31/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im thinking people give way to much of a shit about nutrition when yield per materials used is a far better metric for most people to concentrate on.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
#24207830 - 03/31/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Definitely. That's the standard I use, yield-per-grain by weight. Which comes out to be nearly the same thing as determining yield-per-expense.
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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
#24207957 - 03/31/17 11:44 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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For me i could do yield by grain by weight and find grass seed to be best but at 12 dollars for 50 pounds oats beat the fucking piss out of grass seed as spawn. So my yield per expense is great but oats weigh more big deal
And i don't just count grain. Count substrate and all other materials too
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