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RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me!
    #24177229 - 03/20/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Hi there!

These 400ml screwtop pp5s were the only bottles with a screwtop I could find here in England. I prepared them by adding 200ml untreated RGS to the bottles with 100ml water. I mixed and shook the bottles to ensure even hydration, waited an hour, did it again, then PCed for 90 minutes at 15 PSI. I left them to cool overnight, then they were inoculated on the 13th february with (too small!) slices of agar from a clean MS agar plate.

Growth leapt off after a few days but was very slow as the bottles were too close to a single glazed window in a UK February. Upon being moved to a warmer room they grew at a much healthier rate :awesomenod: and ended up fully colonised after 3 and a half weeks with an impatient shake done at 20% colonisation. I left them for like another week just to be sure there'd be no areas for opportunistic moulds to colonise.

Earlier today I unscrewed the lids and they smell super strongly of mushrooms + have no suspicious areas. As I was satisfied with this I brought a small amount of vermiculite to field capacity and laid a thin layer on top of each substrate. I then placed the bottles in a SGFC next to a sunny window. Here are some pictures, I appreciate all advice or critique!



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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24177260 - 03/20/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

never done a bottle grow but shouldnt they be filled to the top??

are those grains around the containers interior colonized??? they seem like a contam vector.

again ive never done a bottle grow but something seems off. or im being an ass and i apologize greatly.

curious to see how this turns out.:thumbup:

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: mushboy]
    #24177275 - 03/20/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, in the MudaFuka bottle tek they're filled to the top, but this one was partially Violet's tek (which is usually used with a thin layer of substrate in the bottle and then fruited invitro from straight RGS, I decided to do a test run with the bottles 50% full and cased instead and see how I like it).

The grains are all colonised, my camera is awful but you can see the white mycelium on the furthest right bottle.

I don't think you're being an arse at all!


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24177289 - 03/20/17 10:16 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

i am extremely bias towards vtek. but:thumbup:

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: mushboy]
    #24177318 - 03/20/17 10:24 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I thought it'd be worth a try, and now I managed to find straw (and have the ability to now make LI) when this spawn run is over I'm going to use these bottles for straw-based MudaFuka grows!

I know you say you don't have bottle experience, but do you have any rough idea how long it'll be until I see pins? When should I dunk/bottom water my bottles? Should I mist whenever the casing doesn't glisten anymore?


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: mushboy]
    #24177321 - 03/20/17 10:25 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I've heard bad things from vteks

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life]
    #24177337 - 03/20/17 10:30 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

i mean it works and i almost did it but i found myself asking this main question...

'im not 8 yrs old? im a grown adult.' vtek is something id get for my grand niece if
i had no clue what to get a 8yr old girl(if you would gift such a thing but you get that point)

HOWEVER doing a v-tek pf hybrid or bottle/pods is dope because you are still using
the big boy toys. v tek is in aisle 6 next to the fruitsnacks and dippers.

just my opinion on that. :gump:

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bastard4life] * 2
    #24177342 - 03/20/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

If I say anything about v tek V shows up like I said bloody Mary to a mirror three times.

I'm not very fond of V-tek. The idea is if you suck at cultivation and can't make spawn or petri dishes then try this.

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24177350 - 03/20/17 10:35 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, I have some rye quarts rapidly colonising from some LI at the moment, I just thought it'd be fun to do, plus the concept is aesthetically pleasing to me.

Can you answer these for me please Bodhi?:

"do you have any rough idea how long it'll be until I see pins? When should I dunk/bottom water my bottles? Should I mist whenever the casing doesn't glisten anymore? Is the current position in the SGFC good, or should they be buried deeper in the perlite?"


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24177361 - 03/20/17 10:37 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Pins 3 days to 2 weeks after put to fruiting usually
You can dunk or bottom water
Mist it when it needs it yes
They're fine, you could bury them more idk if it will help

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24177363 - 03/20/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Cool, thanks!


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24177364 - 03/20/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I guess I wouldn't dunk until after a flush if I was going to dunk at all. I would bottom water if needed during flushes

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24177477 - 03/20/17 11:14 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

So you'd advise bottom watering over dunking with bottles specifically?


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24200300 - 03/28/17 04:36 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Update:

These bottles haven't done anything yet, including not even colonising their straight verm casing layer.

I scraped off this vermiculite, dunked the RGS bottles in water for 20 minutes, drained them, then re-cased with some bucket tek'd CVG (cheers bodhi! Moisture content was literally perfect).

If it triches out or goes slimy I don't really mind, it wasn't doing anything anyway and they'd been in there 8 days.

Here's to better luck with this casing hopefully!


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: lovelaughlibs]
    #24204157 - 03/29/17 10:53 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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If I say anything about v tek V shows up like I said bloody Mary to a mirror three times.



I find a RGS bottle grow, and lo, what serendipity!  How could I resist responding to this?! What a way to dip in after months hiatus lololol

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The idea is if you suck at cultivation and can't make spawn or petri dishes then try this.



Not really sure where you get this idea, but let's throw that onto the pile with the rest of your specious notions about me and my material.

The tek focuses entirely on the same exact procedures as making spawn and petri dishes.  Come on, you're smarter than that, aren't you? They even thought to stick a tag on you.  This is basic shit.

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So you'd advise bottom watering over dunking with bottles specifically?



Yes definitely. The difference is you're not counting on what the cake can force absorb during that period of time to provide everything the powerful grain substrate is capable of fruiting.  Having a water reservoir on-hand while fruits are growing is essentially the replacement of bulk substrate, and explains how I have the same kind of yields from my grain as what they'd produce combined with bulk substrates but without the massive substrates and extra steps preparing and colonizing onto them.


Edit: Also you should swipe away all the loose seeds stuck on the sides of the containers.


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i mean it works and i almost did it but i found myself asking this main question...

'im not 8 yrs old? im a grown adult.' vtek is something id get for my grand niece if
i had no clue what to get a 8yr old girl(if you would gift such a thing but you get that point)

HOWEVER doing a v-tek pf hybrid or bottle/pods is dope because you are still using
the big boy toys. v tek is in aisle 6 next to the fruitsnacks and dippers.

just my opinion on that. :gump:




Say what you will, but from the way you talk about it I get the feeling you wouldn't understand it well enough to make it work for what it really is. I'd certainly like to see an explanation about how yield right up there with the "big boy toys" somehow leaves me on "aisle 6".  Don't be mistaken, the real reason this tek is "in aisle 6" is the way it is treated by Shroomery cliques and trolls.  For all your talk, I'd certainly love to see if you could even do it like...

Each of those 5 photos were taken by different growers btw.

Edited by Violet (03/29/17 11:10 PM)

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: Violet]
    #24204397 - 03/30/17 02:48 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

i actually liked violets tek and simplicity, but unfortuntly for me i couldnt get them to fruit,, but the strain I used was Pe idk if that would of matter

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bakenast]
    #24205030 - 03/30/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Please leave me out of the forum politics. All the teks worth reading are fine. The question is, in what circumstances should you prefer which methods? Urban, suburban, and rural are fundamentally different situations.

For me in the city, it's all about the material flow and what it implies to outside observers. When you need discreet, compartmented grows with minimal inputs and outputs (in terms of biomass, energy, and space), you start looking at things like supplemented bottles, grain soak water, unmodified lids, species sequencing, composting, using edible ingredients, etc.

The idea is to go grocery shopping, grow the highest quality mushrooms from the smallest quantity of substrate, use supplies and materials for many purposes, and produce the least waste. If you own a PC, you should make canned food. For grains and malt extract, beer; for CVG, gardens; for agar, vegan jelly. This is basic permaculture theory applied to mush cult security.

If I didn't live around hundreds of snitches, it might be different. But the trash guy who handles your disposable petris ignorantly assumes it's anthrax, and tomorrow SWAT comes with a battering ram. The fact that you consume 3 squares of Parafilm every time you open the dish doesn't help, because now you have to order more lab consumables.

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OP might do better with some moisture retention in his substrate (compost or coir). Also, perlite isn't biodegradable.

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: AndyHinton]
    #24205101 - 03/30/17 11:21 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

They've since been cased with CVG and are retaining moisture very nicely - I'm very excitedly hoping to see pins within a few days...the wait is so hard!


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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: AndyHinton] * 1
    #24205112 - 03/30/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Im not the one who said I can't do Clean spawn, and contaminate bulk every time so I'm stuck doing ship in a bottle novelty grows.

I rather see people do less work and get more that's all.

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I get so sick of everyone pointing the finger at spawn.  It's your spawn, hidden contam in spawn, your spawn isn't clean, blame the spawn.
I had a practically 100% sterile success, but once my work was no longer in STERILE environs, contams would attack at about a 35-50% rate.  Spawn was not to blame, and isn't always.  This drove my teks to rely more and more on my sterile work alone, and I found a way to achieve the same great degree of result without the extra "bulk" steps and materials that took my work out of sterility, causing my ~50% failure rate to dwindle to ~1%.




Im not the one can't identify clean spawn :shrug:

Sbj maybe agreed with you a few years ago but realistically clean spawn and substrate that wasn't prepared for shit doesn't just contaminate because it's no longer in a sterile environment lol

You yourself repeatedly admitted that you thought spawn was clean but you contaminated bulk every time hence coming up with your method.

If you didnt have shortcomings with the basics bulk would work for you, until you can do clean spawn I guess you can stick with in vitro bottles

Sorry but a 50% contamination rate means your spawn wasn't as clean as you think it was. If anything it says you can't identify clean spawn.

Never breaking up a colony means you can get away with sloppy technique and some contamination just like a pf cake mitigates some contamination and use of spore syringes.

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Re: RGS Bottle Grow! Critique/Advise Me! [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24205354 - 03/30/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I would much rather discuss factual logistics of the tek, and help lovelaughlibs, than deal with a brand-new TC spouting out bad info about a tek and user he has a long-standing clear bias against.

And I am the one?  I have no problem producing sterile colonized grains, obviously, so I'm not sure what you're comparatively accusing.

Also I never said "every time", you're clearly trying to put exaggerated words in my mouth. Your inability or unwillingness to accept the truth of my growing situations is not significant to me or reasonable of you.

Also, the "shortcomings with the basics" accusation is obvious specious bull, as per above. If you want to see my success with the basics and beyond, just observe all my teks and photos.  Not that you don't know that - you'd just happily sacrifice the truth to attack me. Shame shame.

When are you gonna be reasonable, instead of do your best to twist things to cause unnecessary shit? You're clearly wrong about this, as seen by anyone not looking through the eyes of your vendetta or bandwagon/clique "forum politics" as Andy said.
Your statements are blatantly infactual, and as a tag holder you should be ashamed.  If nothing else, you should try to rise above the pettiness that makes you follow mention of my methods and shit on them with biased falsehoods.


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