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Drain piping what not to do
#24176141 - 03/19/17 08:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Today I found out my tub drain had been moved but instead of cutting off that line and eliminating the tee they just capped it off and let it sit on a length of pipe with an elbow below the rest of the already sloping the wrong way fernco attached shit that was further down. One giant pile of shit piping they already had ferncoed further downstream. Put a 5 dollar bandaid on when a coupling or two and a length of pipe would have solved the problem. Fuck that was some of the nastiest shit in that dead leg what were they thinking. I couldn't believe it when I saw it let alone it was just a dead leg hanging in the air with stinky old lady hair all collected and dead skin and shit all in a nasty plug at the bottom. People you can actually move this pipe a little and glue it together you don't even need primer just get some ABS glue but don't get that shit on your hand or you will be sorry and keep it off of anything finished it's black as night and stains like a mofo. Couplings and glue fuck Fernco fuck those bandaids.
End of rant. To whoever piped that drain piping then left off the cleanout plug you deserve to get nail gunned through your nut sack. Pinned up to a 4x4 piece of pressure treated so the arsenic kills you slowly like that old ladies rotting festering hair she cleaned the flakes off her scalp with the Head and Shoulders. Probably pissed and cleaned her nasty ass too and it collected in there and further festered.
People are disgusting creatures keep that drain piping tight clean and downhill, always other than the P trap which helps keep the disgusting people crap gas at least stinking less as it festers in the bend.
OK really the end of the rant I'm off into the drainfield now.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24181457 - 03/21/17 07:32 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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residential plumbers do some of the stupidest shit i have ever seen. some of the fuck ups i've cleaned up for people were so far beyond belief if i had the authority people would lose their licence over it.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: iateshaggy]
#24181577 - 03/21/17 08:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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iateshaggy said: residential plumbers do some of the stupidest shit i have ever seen. some of the fuck ups i've cleaned up for people were so far beyond belief if i had the authority people would lose their licence over it.
Ever seen heat tape melt PVC to where it almost exploded? I mean why would someone wrap that around PVC then not even insulate it? Well thankfully I caught it before it really failed it was actually pretty amazing it didn't. The CPVC they hung in mid air was super brittle from the hot water and then cold air etc etc. I cut out all of it down to the PVC coming out of the ground then went with a threaded elbow a reducing adapter into a ball valve then from 3/4 pipe to 3/4 PEX with the crimp tool. Crimp where possible but man that sharkbite from pex to cpvc just too sweet not to do and ez pz if you ever need to take it apart again. Replaced the water heater and all that piping used pex for the relief valve man that stuff is just to easy not to go with in a tight closet to get the piping shoved together from behind the water heater it only made sense. Seemed odd Rheem faced the relief valve exit towards the back kind of fucking stupid if you ask me. It worked a lot better not having to thread shit behind or glue. I pre crimped it and shoved a little extra down through the floor to about 10 inches above the vapor barrier under the mobile. If it leaks it's under the house. Never could figure the idea of a pan to collect the leaky runoff from a relief valve and completely fuck up your bottom of the water heater until it overflows then fucks up your floor. More dumb ideas on how to drain or in this case not drain off water. I think with check valves and no expansion tanks people are popping relief valves more than before cities got all anal on double checks as they pump fucking fluoride and bleach into your house.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24184227 - 03/22/17 07:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol at sharkbite. you don't wanna know what we say about those... i like a relief valve blowing water somewhere that you can see it but it doesn't ruin stuff (driveway). when they go off its a symptom of a bigger problem that needs immediate attention.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: iateshaggy]
#24184459 - 03/22/17 08:39 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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iateshaggy said: lol at sharkbite. you don't wanna know what we say about those... i like a relief valve blowing water somewhere that you can see it but it doesn't ruin stuff (driveway). when they go off its a symptom of a bigger problem that needs immediate attention.
Why don't I wanna know? Cause they suck? What would you use to connect cpvc to pex? I liked just shoving the two different materials together with the 3/4" x 3/4" sharkbite. Seemed like a good idea at the time because I had no better ideas. Do you use the pex with the brass fittings? I use crimp rings but the expansion tool may be a better bet?
Yeah I plan on elbowing the relief valve piping outside but have to wait until the skirting goes up to have something to drill through to run the pipe.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24185146 - 03/23/17 04:42 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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It sucks when you see a professional has madde a worse nooby mistake than the person hiring them would . :/ I once had a plumber install a P trap, just above an old P trap, buggered the drains for the whole house until we figured it out.... and fixed ourselves at a fraction of the cost ._.
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"If one P trap was good, imagine how much two could trap."
Yeah it's frustrating spending big money getting ripped off. I watched a plumber open up a foot round area by boring up the subfloor, so he could turn a wrench on it. Fucked up the floor I couldn't believe it should have said hey man what the fuck. Another guy piped the piping about 12" into the room on a very tight space right next to the toilet I mean you literally hit your knee. Had to get them to come back out and use a couple of 90s and an extra length. Jokers. Now that I've done the PEX I see why these jokers love it so much. It's joker pipe, so easy even a joker can install it. Cuts like butter bends every which wan and easy to crimp up. I imagine the expander tools are even more joker friendly. Or cheaper plastic fittings can be used to save $$. Plumbers while charging big $$ love to cut corners.
Anyway I've worked with a lot of that smaller compression fittings for RO stuff and have never seen one leak. Pretty dam good you'd think shoving plastic into a fitting you can get back apart would be a leaker but not really from my experience.
The thing that leaks is those crappy needle valves I can't stand those drippy bastards. Give me a quarter turn ball valve any day. The only thing that saves those valves on sinks and toilets from causing problems is you have other shutoffs and besides they are usually on. Otherwise I bet those gate valves would fail miserably if given the test.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24187801 - 03/24/17 03:57 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think he just CBF with it, as it was old imperial-measurements metal pipe, and the new stuff was metric PVC, in an an annoyingly cramped area under the house *grins*
I woke up the next day to the toilet bowl's water slowly inching up. Nothing like that sinking feeling that no matter what you do, there will be poop water on your floor in half an hour 
what sucks is where I am, every single speck of plumbing work is 'supposed' to be done by a licenced plumber (yay australian government, for assuming your average dude or dudette is too dense to follow a manual :p) but the quality of work some get away without losing their licences is pretty abysmal. >_< I mean, it made sense with the metal piping that needs a bit of skill and precision, but like you said, any joker can get a flexible pipe to line up 
There's some good ones, but they don't have to live there, so usually it's whatever gets them in and out fastest with least materials used, collect their several hundred dollars and leave you with the mess :p
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Where I live, if you rent out a place, you are "legally required" by the state to have a "licensed" contractor do your plumbing and electrical. Not sure how plumbing could cause damage to a tenant, other than inconvenience. In any event, those are "the rules".
It's hard to get one of these jokers to even come out, that's the truly sad part. Even at a hundred plus bucks an hour (how obscene)!
Anyway, knowing what I know now I'd become a plumber and drop out of high school to do it while pursuing a rock band at night and on weekends. If someone calls on a Sunday maybe I go there for 200 bucks an hour after all Sundays are "double time".
Fking scam. Worse, most plumbers have ZERO clue about construction, so any demo work will be substandard to the point of cutting through supporting members and leaving them unsupported.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24187933 - 03/24/17 06:32 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ive seen plumbers open the tubing without turning off the water in an appartment on the 6th floor. They caused water damage in over 30 appartments, mold everywhere and monetary damage in the hundreds of thousands.
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Speaking as a non-plumber, I tried interpreting this thread as 3-4 very experienced psilocybe growers talking in a highly developed code.
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#24188134 - 03/24/17 08:31 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL yeah, my trade is fairly high-paid ...not plumber high, but decent once I get past the apprenticeship blues, but I still think 'f--- it, shoulda been a plumber' when I see how much work plumber mates get for how little overhead. And some can rock up in skeevy jeans with their butt hanging out >_>
I guess, most industries are influenced by trends and how much discretionary spending's going on in the local economy, but leaky toilets and drains are a constant 
@How'syournagger - o_o well, damn... did they get sued?
@Jake haha, that makes the whole thread quite entertaining to re-read
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#24188377 - 03/24/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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jakefake said: Speaking as a non-plumber, I tried interpreting this thread as 3-4 very experienced psilocybe growers talking in a highly developed code.
Plumber speak is what keeps them in business. Notice a lot of the verbiage is sexual related. Piping screwed male pipe into a proper insertion length first wrapped in a covering and twisted in straight into a female coupling. Strapping up your pipe as needed then draining any excess. Sweating on a fitting that has been properly brushed and fluxed then heated with a "blow" torch.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24189058 - 03/24/17 02:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Im about to lay down some pipe" 
Some of the things that homeowners do is so embarassing. Ive seen all sorts of fuck-ups for sure. The negative slope is the most common by far. Ive also seen venting that leads no where and cut vent pipes just left in the wall like my current master bath
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For all the dodgy plumbing work I've seen done by cut-rate professionals, I still recommend paying extra for a good plumber over DIYing for anyone not willing to do a LOT of research to make sure their great ideas aren't nightmares waiting to happen.
But expecting water to flow uphill or venting to inside a wall (...or out a wall next to a kitchen window like a distant rellie of mine did *facepalm*) are dumb enough things I almost want to agree with the government about leaving everything to a pro because apparently some people have no common sense
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Haha thats funny. My house has a vent coming out the wall next to the kitchen window too! 
Looks ugly as fuuuuck. Someday we will redo the siding and hide that crap.
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ichbinschizophren said: It sucks when you see a professional has madde a worse nooby mistake than the person hiring them would . :/ I once had a plumber install a P trap, just above an old P trap, buggered the drains for the whole house until we figured it out.... and fixed ourselves at a fraction of the cost ._.
sometimes depending on the application this is actually required. the one situation i highly recommend a configuration like that in a house is draining an ac condensate into your plumbing. most units require a ptrap on the unit to provide adequate head pressure to drain the unit but you don't want to hook it straight to plumbing because if the ptrap runs dry your unit will suck sewer gas into ac and blow it all over the house. in that case 2 traps are required with a 2" air gap between them.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24190833 - 03/25/17 04:11 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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renting a few cabins (or shacks/shit-shacks/rat-houses/rat-nests) over the years, i've seen some pretty interesting plumb-jobs. some a little common-sense would solve, some going-back-to-the-drawing-board would solve. the worst is when you have 6 different people living in a place the landlord never took care of, so you have 7 different ideas of how something should work and/or its layout
all i can tell you is, i THINK i'm done putting time/energy into other peoples' properties
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: iateshaggy]
#24191038 - 03/25/17 07:24 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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@ IateShaggy-
no, sadly that wasn't the case. It was just replacing some boring taps and an inefficient toilet with some nifty water saving ones, we didn't have air-con at the time- the extra P trap that got added made all the sinks and the toilet back up 
@demiu5 - I feel you there I'm at the point where if the plumbing is shot in a rental (being on an island that's only recently had much of a population, there's a spectacular number of owner-built disasterpeices that escaped the mandatory check-ins >_> ) the landlord can either get a professional in or whine until the cows come home about extra water usage, because I'm not going to bring liability down on my head or muck about with smelly pipes ^_^
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: demiu5]
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demiu5 said: renting a few cabins (or shacks/shit-shacks/rat-houses/rat-nests) over the years, i've seen some pretty interesting plumb-jobs. some a little common-sense would solve, some going-back-to-the-drawing-board would solve. the worst is when you have 6 different people living in a place the landlord never took care of, so you have 7 different ideas of how something should work and/or its layout
all i can tell you is, i THINK i'm done putting time/energy into other peoples' properties
My one regret of landlording in the past was not to have done routine and thorough inspections on an ongoing basis. When you don't you run into tenants "fixing" things. Oh yeah I've seen how that story ends. Being a wimpy landlord is never a great idea. The good news is I'm down to one tenant who I know won't fuck up my house.
Anyway water damage is perhaps no is THE worst thing you can have happen to your house short of burning down. It sucks. I had a tenant let her washing machine hose leak and blame the city for not fixing their pipe as 3 inches of water collected in the basement. A stinking washer on a connecting hose but no, she had tried to solve the problem to no avail as my newish water heater rusted out etc.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
#24191119 - 03/25/17 08:13 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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ouch 
As a renter, I've had some problems with landlords refusing to fix 'definitely 100% broken, and not by me' plumbing, which can make it very difficult for a tenant. But if you're a good landlord there's no reason for your tenants to go buggering up your property. >_< From what I gather, it can help to pre-emptively talk to tenants and make it clear you're not going to punitorialy evict them if they ask you to call a plumber
I've got some dread about tenants, when I get my house finished > done with > in a new one. I build bulletproof (literally, the walls are rated to withstand cyclones, bushfire and -it turns out- mortar-fire, though only the first 2 happen here XD ) since my household is 2 fainters ( one of whom put their head through a gyprock wall last time they went down) and a person with cerebral palsy who is freaky-strong despite being a delicate-looking little thing.... who is the bane of towel racks, taps, wall fittings, and anything else that can't survive a 'little twitch' with the force of a punch behind it but I've seen some tenant damage to houses that makes me think they really /worked/ at fucking something up.
I used to live on a flood plain, in monsoon country so the one upside was that everything was built on the understanding it'd be underwater at least one week per year and wet for months around that The plumbing and waterproofing on anything built after the 1969 mega-flood was top-notch, too many houses got totalled by water damage so they changed the laws. it was funny, one time I was on the net griping with American friends about the power being out for a few days, taps running mud, and a mile of smelly chest deep water between me and the shop... they full-on panicked, asked if I needed emergency money, the full nine yards, and there's me '...? of course I have supplies, the government gave me a keg of disinfectant and $300 since the bank's down, and the generator must be working if I'm talking to you guys. I just don't feel like swimming or paddling a blow up mattress that far because I'm out of bug spray? :p ' It's amazing what can seem totally normal when you're used to it.
when I was 19 there we actually got permission to put in a semi-permanent pool downstairs on the grounds that 'it couldn't make anything worse' from a landlord, it was marvelous. ^_^ I spent the first six months after I moved away from the area freaking out everytime it rained since people build houses RIGHT ON THE GROUND! in the new area XD
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I always want to know about a water leak ASAP. Many tenants just don't call then put a bucket under it or some shit like that.
Cool story I want a pool. Kind of built a place for one maybe put in a water tank and have fish and water plants there. Got the big plastic trough I'll move it over there. Need some goldfish and koi. The lilies locally can be moved they love that kind of thing are already growing in my other pond.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
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yeah.... much better to know about it when it happens, rather than 6 months later when it's gotten worse and mold and water damage has caused a big expensive mess. Sucks that your tenants would do that to you 
pools with fish are always great- my family had one with guppies, sword tails and koi when I was a kid. ^_^ super relaxing, with little fish nibbling your feet.
If you're into permaculture, you can even use food fish, so you can go fishing when you're done swimming, and plants just love fish water
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Yeah she eventually got evicted and owed me big $$ stole some chimney venting never rent to a HUD renter is my best advice. You are asking for trouble in more ways than one. It's a pain in the ass this BS about how great it is what a joke. Never had a HUD tenant not fuck me. Three for three that was it no more.
But yeah fish, I should try to raise even a few little guys for possible edibles. What's easy and available? I need something that can survive in a 200 gallon RubbermaidTM pond cause that's what I got. It's got a drain on the bottom I like your idea of using that water for plants I can easily put a ball valve and hook to big PVC for a drip system. Can put a float valve to shut off the feed. I dug out a wall and can enclose this thing and need to for protection and warmth and to to keep out the deer and critters. The deer are brutal I've been letting them into the yard but need to start protecting the garden area. Won't be too hard to do given my set up.
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Re: Drain piping what not to do [Re: LunarEclipse]
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That's really unfortunate- I know of a few landlords who quit renting to HUD-type clients (we don't have the same system, but something related) because of some truly awful tenants... the 'best' I've seen is 8 people in a 3 person unit, who took out half the walls, pooped/littered on the carpet and spraypainted all surface with shitty tags, and a woman who seriously couldn't understand why she was evicted for some fucking awful sharpie-and-poster-paint tracings of unclassy porn ...complete with hair clippings glued in appropriate spots... over the walls and letting her massive great danes through the house. Since my place has to be disability-accessible anyway, I was planning to go through the disability housing mob here for the tax break and skipping some paperwork, but if subsidised renters are a hassle, I guess I wont. :/
As for fish, Tilapia are brilliant if you're in the tropics, they can withstand some awful water and low-quality food, grow like mad and get something like 50% biological efficiency for what they eat in good conditions- and seem to prefer high fish densities (they do fight a bit if there aren't many, especially males and females fighting ). But, they're definitely a hot-climate fish. Barramundi aren't bad either, but IMO don't taste as nice.
For colder environments, I'd recommend trout, catfish or carp - all fast growing with a great food given to fishmeat conversion rate, though with the carp, you need to be a bit more careful about water quality. Largemouth bass are also pretty popular, but IMO they don't taste that great (though that's based on how they are here, apparently they're nicer from cold water).
I'd expect a harvest of up to 40 or so plate-sized fish per year in a tub that size, in good conditions after a couple years for them to build up the population from your starter fish. Unless you want to do a lot of water change-outs you'd also need to have a goodly sized filter pump to keep them healthy and happy in a little pond like that if you let them breed up densely, unless you want to go the route of pumping the water up to a raised hydroponics bed to let your plants take out the fish poop and pee before it runs back... but, that way you get automatic self-watering veggies too, so it could be worth the fuss depending on your space and interests
It's cheaper and less fussy to buy the starter fish as fingerlings, and just grow them in a fishtank with a below-gravel filter system until they look big enough to handle the great outdoors, but once you've got a few up to breeding size, they'll happily breed as nature intended (...unless you have a cannibalistic fish like barramundi, where there's a bit of extra farting about to keep babies from getting eaten >_> it's quite disconcerting to catch your fish eating its babies anytime they peek out from hiding)
Sorry for the text-lump I did a marine studies certificate a while back (long story, but the short version is: they messed up my enrollment for a different course, wouldn't give my money back and damned if I wasn't going to learn /something/ for my money ) I now know more than you'd ever want to know about growing fish LOL
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