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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal]
    #24167665 - 03/16/17 04:42 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I'm just gonna add to this with the following examples:

- So you want to go to college but you're from a dirt poor family? Enlist and we'll pay it for you, then after serving you have career prospects.

- So you're not the intellectual type? Enlist, we'll teach how to stay in shape, fire a gun, maybe drve a tank, we'll find something. If you can drive a tank, you can drive a bulldozer after serving. You know about guns, become a gun shop guy. You're good at staying in shape? Become a personal trainor

- So you are smart as fuck but you don't know where to put in the effort? Enlist, we''l gve you a shot at as an engineer, logistics, strategist, medical training, R&D guy, computer tech, programming, whichever you're best at, you can thrive. Then after serving you have career paths ahead of you

- So you have a lot of energy, you're muscular and you like to fight. Well then enlist for fuck sakes, we'll turn you in a killing machine. After serving you can do bodyguard, police work, security, etc.

- So you're fucking good at chess and you're intellectual? Enlist! You'll be an officer, you'll develop leadership and you can play real life chess on the battlefield. Once you're out you can go pretty much wherever intillegence is required

- So you good at fixing shit up? Enlist! We have a shit ton of things you can fix. Tanks, boats, engines, airplanes, guns, artillery, drones, computers and whatever the fuck else can break. After serving you can continue in the world of fixing shit up

There are soo much positive things the military can do for a shit ton of people...



If you don't want to work for the military you deserve to be poor :cookiemonster:


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #24167680 - 03/16/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

The good news is that Trump's budget will mean that my financial situation will get even better.  This means that more people around the world will be able to enjoy access to toilets.

Other than that, it's a disaster, to quote Trump.

I can't imagine it'll pass as proposed.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24167689 - 03/16/17 04:50 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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he'll instruct contractor to supply themselves from american companies.



This has been a requirement for government contractors for decades.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Enlil]
    #24167722 - 03/16/17 05:04 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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he'll instruct contractor to supply themselves from american companies.



This has been a requirement for government contractors for decades.




Well there you go. Guranteed the cash goes inside america and not all over the place.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #24167740 - 03/16/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

It's not going to the poor, though.  The bottom line here is that the budget will only serve to hasten the growth of income inequality in America.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Enlil]
    #24167753 - 03/16/17 05:19 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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It's not going to the poor, though.  The bottom line here is that the budget will only serve to hasten the growth of income inequality in America.




When the fuck does the poor ever get anything?

Trump wants to eliminate tax for people making 15k or less. It makes sense. In canada nbody pays taxes if you make under 18k or something.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal]
    #24167760 - 03/16/17 05:22 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

That will have little to no impact.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Enlil]
    #24167765 - 03/16/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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That will have little to no impact.




Well I believe the poor are taxed 10%?

Thats 10% more cash in their pockets. Which is like 1200$ a year or something. That's 2 months rent for many people.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal]
    #24167796 - 03/16/17 05:31 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

You're misinformed.  Most people who make less than $15,000 pay no federal income tax at all.  Those that do pay far less than 10% effective tax rate.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Enlil]
    #24167810 - 03/16/17 05:38 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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You're misinformed.  Most people who make less than $15,000 pay no federal income tax at all.  Those that do pay far less than 10% effective tax rate.




Is that not how it works?

https://individual.troweprice.com/public/Retail/Planning-&-Research/Tax-Planning/Prepare-Your-Taxes/Tax-Rate-Schedules


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24167846 - 03/16/17 05:57 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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I'm just gonna add to this with the following examples:

- So you want to go to college but you're from a dirt poor family? Enlist and we'll pay it for you, then after serving you have career prospects. Which is awesome, unless you die, or are forced to be in nuclear or medical experiments.  Hopefully you avoid any serious injury or PTSD as well.

- So you're not the intellectual type? Enlist, we'll teach how to stay in shape, fire a gun, maybe drve a tank, we'll find something. If you can drive a tank, you can drive a bulldozer after serving. You know about guns, become a gun shop guy. You're good at staying in shape? Become a personal trainor Which is awesome, unless you die, or are forced to be in nuclear or medical experiments.  Hopefully you avoid any serious injury or PTSD as well.

- So you are smart as fuck but you don't know where to put in the effort? Enlist, we''l gve you a shot at as an engineer, logistics, strategist, medical training, R&D guy, computer tech, programming, whichever you're best at, you can thrive. Then after serving you have career paths ahead of you Which is awesome, unless you die, or are forced to be in nuclear or medical experiments.  Hopefully you avoid any serious injury or PTSD as well.

- So you have a lot of energy, you're muscular and you like to fight. Well then enlist for fuck sakes, we'll turn you in a killing machine. After serving you can do bodyguard, police work, security, etc.
Which is awesome, unless you die, or are forced to be in nuclear or medical experiments.  Hopefully you avoid any serious injury or PTSD as well.
I'll not even go into an analysis of whether or not it is a good idea to have aggressive "killing machines" doing police or security work

- So you're fucking good at chess and you're intellectual? Enlist! You'll be an officer, you'll develop leadership and you can play real life chess on the battlefield. Once you're out you can go pretty much wherever intillegence is required
Which is awesome, unless you die, or are forced to be in nuclear or medical experiments.  Hopefully you avoid any serious injury or PTSD as well. Also, I'm pretty sure that non-commissioned officers top out at Sergeant Major.  If you really want to be in charge of shit you gotta go to the academy.

- So you good at fixing shit up? Enlist! We have a shit ton of things you can fix. Tanks, boats, engines, airplanes, guns, artillery, drones, computers and whatever the fuck else can break. After serving you can continue in the world of fixing shit up
Which is awesome, unless you die, or are forced to be in nuclear or medical experiments.  Hopefully you avoid any serious injury or PTSD as well.

There are soo much positive things the military can do for a shit ton of people...




Yes there are positive qualities to the military.  the question is whether it is more beneficial to spend those dollars elsewhere.  Obviously there is some minimum level of military spending necessary, but as Q pointed out, public infrastructure projects provide much more benefit to the public over the long term when compared to virtually any military project.  Public infrastructure projects are capable of employing at least as many people, which in turn drives demand for more trained workers.  Instead of focusing the benefits of increased spending in a few small places like the San Diego shipyards, infrastructure spending spreads the jobs, and the benefits around to everyone.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24167849 - 03/16/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

That chart is applied to taxable income, not gross income.  In the U.S., our tax code is unbelievably complicated.  A person with a gross income of $15000 will almost certainly have a taxable income well below 7,000.  With credits, etc, most will not pay a dime.

In fact, 45% of the people in the U.S. don't pay a dime of federal income tax.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24167857 - 03/16/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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You're misinformed.  Most people who make less than $15,000 pay no federal income tax at all.  Those that do pay far less than 10% effective tax rate.




Is that not how it works?

https://individual.troweprice.com/public/Retail/Planning-&-Research/Tax-Planning/Prepare-Your-Taxes/Tax-Rate-Schedules




When you make 15000, the standard deduction actually means that you get a refund from the government.  Instead of paying income tax, you gave an interest free loan to the gov.  If you qualify for any credits like the earned income tax credit, you'll actually get back more than you paid in.

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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24168804 - 03/17/17 12:18 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I think the personal deduction is around $12000, so someone with $15000 in wages  at the most has a taxable income of $3000


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: qman]
    #24168865 - 03/17/17 12:50 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/if-youre-a-poor-person-in-america-trumps-budget-is-not-for-you/?utm_term=.1344cd96e057

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/trump-budget-cuts/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/donald-trump-defense-budget-blueprint/

There you have it folks, this budget is fiscal austerity for the US population while lining the pockets for the very wealthy shareholder class.

Trump supporters, get ready to bend over and grab the lube because it's going to be a brutal fiscal rape.




Are you not a Trump guy anymore? I must have missed a lot...


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24169168 - 03/17/17 07:17 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

So have the Trump guys.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Enlil]
    #24169257 - 03/17/17 08:23 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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That chart is applied to taxable income, not gross income.  In the U.S., our tax code is unbelievably complicated.  A person with a gross income of $15000 will almost certainly have a taxable income well below 7,000.  With credits, etc, most will not pay a dime.

In fact, 45% of the people in the U.S. don't pay a dime of federal income tax.




That's the thing I don't get.

They have people collecting 10% tax. Then they have another  branch to create credits, and more staff to for the deduction and then more for the programs and whatnot.... Why can't they just add it all up and charge5% instead and eliminate all those credits and shit...


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal]
    #24169277 - 03/17/17 08:38 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Decades of inertia


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: koods]
    #24169290 - 03/17/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Those programs incentivize certain things.


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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24169341 - 03/17/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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qman said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/if-youre-a-poor-person-in-america-trumps-budget-is-not-for-you/?utm_term=.1344cd96e057

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/trump-budget-cuts/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/donald-trump-defense-budget-blueprint/

There you have it folks, this budget is fiscal austerity for the US population while lining the pockets for the very wealthy shareholder class.

Trump supporters, get ready to bend over and grab the lube because it's going to be a brutal fiscal rape.




Are you not a Trump guy anymore? I must have missed a lot...




Just calling it the way I see it. Most Obama supporters took 6-7 years of making excuses before they called out his bullshit, I have less tolerance. :shrug:

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