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#24166693 - 03/16/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: qman] 3
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I'm waiting for the moment where the critical mass hits, and Trump supporters begin disavowing him. But then what? Back to GOP establishment? The Democratic party is just as unpopular, some polls say MORE, than Trump is.
Our entire political system is failing us on seemingly every level. People in this country need to come together and kick these shithead oligarchs out of our halls of power.
Then we can bicker about abortion and guns.
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Where are our Trump supporters now? Webster?
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60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
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By restructuring our trade deals, eliminating illegal immigration, creating a fairer tax code, bringing jobs back, raising our wages, we're going to be a lot better than we were before. The effective tax rate for huge corporations was litterally zero, and huge companies like apple or google sometimes even got money FROM the government from how fucked our tax code was. Trump said in his interview with tucker Carlson last night that he even thinks he paid too little the year of his tax returns that just got released. Everyone was saying he paid what was it, $38 million on even as CNN puts it, $150 million. He even made the point in his interview that he actually made well over $200 million and because of the unfair tax code, he was allowed to deduct a lot of his income unfairly. He went on to say that he's not going to structure the tax code in favor of people like him because he doesn't give a shit about himself anymore, and that his focus is on benefiting the American people. Yes there are some concerning bills that are floating around right now, like RyanCare. But trump is being strategic about all of this. I'm not going to shock you normies with what's actually going on but trumps using these bills to set the stage for turning on certain establishment memebers of congress. In the end, trump is going to get his way on these issues, like healthcare, immigration, tax code and budget. It's a massive power struggle right now, and yeah the establishment proposal is shitty but it's not trumps and that's not the proposal that the American people are going to be subjected to in the end. Does anyone seriously see any situation at all where the middle class fairs WORSE than it did under obama? Anyone?
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] 3
#24166950 - 03/16/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: 60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
Oh, he's cutting alright. Cutting taxes on the super rich so the shortage will be much worse.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said: By restructuring our trade deals, eliminating illegal immigration, creating a fairer tax code, bringing jobs back, raising our wages, we're going to be a lot better than we were before. The effective tax rate for huge corporations was litterally zero, and huge companies like apple or google sometimes even got money FROM the government from how fucked our tax code was.
He's not creating a fairer tax code (unless you're super rich), he's not raising our wages, he's not focusing on helping the middle class at all; he's focusing on helping the super rich.
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Webster10 said: Trump said in his interview with tucker Carlson last night that he even thinks he paid too little the year of his tax returns that just got released. Everyone was saying he paid what was it, $38 million on even as CNN puts it, $150 million. He even made the point in his interview that he actually made well over $200 million and because of the unfair tax code, he was allowed to deduct a lot of his income unfairly. He went on to say that he's not going to structure the tax code in favor of people like him because he doesn't give a shit about himself anymore, and that his focus is on benefiting the American people.
Trump is proposing to eliminate the alternative minimum tax that cost him an extra $31 million in 2005. He wants the rich (including himself) to pay FAR, FAR less. Good lord, you are the most gullible person I've ever seen. "Trump said it so it must be true!"
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Webster10 said: Yes there are some concerning bills that are floating around right now, like RyanCare. But trump is being strategic about all of this. I'm not going to shock you normies with what's actually going on but trumps using these bills to set the stage for turning on certain establishment memebers of congress. In the end, trump is going to get his way on these issues
Concerns? The healthcare proposal is even worse than what we had before Obamacare. Gullible as hell, you are.
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Webster10 said: Does anyone seriously see any situation at all where the middle class fairs WORSE than it did under obama? Anyone?
Let's see, lower taxes for the super rich (paid for by spending cuts that would have benefitted the poor and middle class), higher health care costs, deregulation of the financial industries...
Hmmm, no I guess I can't see how the middle class would be any worse off.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] 2
#24166997 - 03/16/17 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: 60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
We have the velocity of money at a 60 year low, the cuts are programs which drives money directly into the economy, what happens when those crumbs dry up? Economic turmoil and true hardships for the lower and middle classes.
What happens when you increase military spending by another $50-60 billion per year do for the economy? NOTHING.
I got news for you, it's too late for fiscal austerity at this point, that's a great way to put this very fragile economy into a deep recession.
The Atlanta Fed has downgrade growth for the 1st quarter below 1%, this budget will drive it even lower.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/atlanta-fed-downgrades-us-q1-gdp-view-below-1.html
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: qman]
#24167032 - 03/16/17 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Webster10 said: By restructuring our trade deals, eliminating illegal immigration, creating a fairer tax code, bringing jobs back, raising our wages, we're going to be a lot better than we were before. The effective tax rate for huge corporations was litterally zero, and huge companies like apple or google sometimes even got money FROM the government from how fucked our tax code was. Trump said in his interview with tucker Carlson last night that he even thinks he paid too little the year of his tax returns that just got released. Everyone was saying he paid what was it, $38 million on even as CNN puts it, $150 million. He even made the point in his interview that he actually made well over $200 million and because of the unfair tax code, he was allowed to deduct a lot of his income unfairly. He went on to say that he's not going to structure the tax code in favor of people like him because he doesn't give a shit about himself anymore, and that his focus is on benefiting the American people. Yes there are some concerning bills that are floating around right now, like RyanCare. But trump is being strategic about all of this. I'm not going to shock you normies with what's actually going on but trumps using these bills to set the stage for turning on certain establishment memebers of congress. In the end, trump is going to get his way on these issues, like healthcare, immigration, tax code and budget. It's a massive power struggle right now, and yeah the establishment proposal is shitty but it's not trumps and that's not the proposal that the American people are going to be subjected to in the end. Does anyone seriously see any situation at all where the middle class fairs WORSE than it did under obama? Anyone?
Our trade deal are NOT going to restructured, there are TRILLIONS of profits at stake, there's no way in hell the elite are going to allow that to happen, it's fantasy land.
"illegal immigration"
They already flooded our economy with cheap low skilled labor, they don't need anymore. They want cheap high skilled labor to continue, H1-B Visas are here to stay.
Trump has ZERO support for his campaign promises from Congress, Ryan and McConnell said two weeks after Trump was in office that there would be NO infrastructure and no tariffs, the rest is history.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: qman]
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Patlal said: 60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
We have the velocity of money at a 60 year low, the cuts are programs which drives money directly into the economy, what happens when those crumbs dry up? Economic turmoil and true hardships for the lower and middle classes.
What happens when you increase military spending by another $50-60 billion per year do for the economy? NOTHING.
I got news for you, it's too late for fiscal austerity at this point, that's a great way to put this very fragile economy into a deep recession.
The Atlanta Fed has downgrade growth for the 1st quarter below 1%, this budget will drive it even lower.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/atlanta-fed-downgrades-us-q1-gdp-view-below-1.html
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] 1
#24167066 - 03/16/17 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: 60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
We have the velocity of money at a 60 year low, the cuts are programs which drives money directly into the economy, what happens when those crumbs dry up? Economic turmoil and true hardships for the lower and middle classes.
What happens when you increase military spending by another $50-60 billion per year do for the economy? NOTHING.
I got news for you, it's too late for fiscal austerity at this point, that's a great way to put this very fragile economy into a deep recession.
The Atlanta Fed has downgrade growth for the 1st quarter below 1%, this budget will drive it even lower.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/atlanta-fed-downgrades-us-q1-gdp-view-below-1.html
I thought you were a trump fan
I voted for Trump on his rhetoric and campaign promises, so far he has made no effort to come through with those goals, in fact it's been the complete opposite.
So the question is, WTF happened? My guess, they sat Donald down and told him the deal, he's got too much to lose to try to make "America Great Again!".
He'll be another Obama, but even worse because were deeper into this economic cycle, what happens if stocks, bonds and real estate don't remain at all-time highs in the next few years? It won't be pretty for The Donald.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: qman]
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Patlal said: 60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
We have the velocity of money at a 60 year low, the cuts are programs which drives money directly into the economy, what happens when those crumbs dry up? Economic turmoil and true hardships for the lower and middle classes.
What happens when you increase military spending by another $50-60 billion per year do for the economy? NOTHING.
I got news for you, it's too late for fiscal austerity at this point, that's a great way to put this very fragile economy into a deep recession.
The Atlanta Fed has downgrade growth for the 1st quarter below 1%, this budget will drive it even lower.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/atlanta-fed-downgrades-us-q1-gdp-view-below-1.html
I thought you were a trump fan
I voted for Trump on his rhetoric and campaign promises, so far he has made no effort to come through with those goals, in fact it's been the complete opposite.
So the question is, WTF happened? My guess, they sat Donald down and told him the deal, he's got too much to lose to try to make "America Great Again!".
He'll be another Obama, but even worse because were deeper into this economic cycle, what happens if stocks, bonds and real estate don't remain at all-time highs in the next few years? It won't be pretty for The Donald. 
I thought you were on board with him 100%.
Military spending is great. Soldiers draw salaries. Engeneers ddraw salaries, shit needs to be maintained, piece needs to be built, R&D hires plenty of people. The military creates thousands of job in and outside of itself. Supliers buuild things, the army trains with and maintain the equipment. R&D requires private sector help. It's a huge cycle of labor and it helps people get experience so that when they finish serving they qualif for high paying jobs. That's on top of the manadatory physical fitness and discpline they get. The military is an amazing economic drive. I don't know why you don't see this.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal] 2
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Maybe 50 years ago spending on the military could have some economic benefits, but today building high tech military weapons are outsourced all over the globe, that doesn't help the US economy.
What's more beneficial for the economy? Spending $600 billion on military services or allocating the money for advanced transportation, communication and energy infrastructure? The answer is very simple, a high speed train system is used everyday for the next 50 years, a cruise missile sits collecting dust for decades until it's launched or dismantled for being out of date.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: qman]
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qman said: Maybe 50 years ago spending on the military could have some economic benefits, but today building high tech military weapons are outsourced all over the globe, that doesn't help the US economy.
What's more beneficial for the economy? Spending $600 billion on military services or allocating the money for advanced transportation, communication and energy infrastructure? The answer is very simple, a high speed train system is used everyday for the next 50 years, a cruise missile sits collecting dust for decades until it's launched or dismantled for being out of date.
I get what you say but there is money for roads and trains too. I'm fairly certain that Trump wants to buy American which means he'll instruct contractor to supply themselves from american companies. That's a good step one. Now of the the suppliers of these suppliers might be from around the globe, but hey, you can only control so much...
The military is great for erersector of the economy. They recruit without discrimination whether you are rich or poor. They pay for thei education. Middle class workers are create as they go up in rank and as they specialize and many position pay 100k plus because of the high techinal skill they require. The best way the increase wealth of your poor populace is to recruit them in the army. They acquire all sorts of skill. That is why many countries have mandatory military at age 18. Skills, discline, work ethics etc.
Peeo eshit on the military because they can only associate it with war and bombs. That's only a small fraction. Essentially spending 50 billion in the military is a social program. Kinda like welfare but they make you work your ass off.
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal]
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I like dumping my industrial waste in streams and I support this budget!
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Re: Trump's Budget Proposal [Re: Patlal]
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I'm just gonna add to this with the following examples:
- So you want to go to college but you're from a dirt poor family? Enlist and we'll pay it for you, then after serving you have career prospects.
- So you're not the intellectual type? Enlist, we'll teach how to stay in shape, fire a gun, maybe drve a tank, we'll find something. If you can drive a tank, you can drive a bulldozer after serving. You know about guns, become a gun shop guy. You're good at staying in shape? Become a personal trainor
- So you are smart as fuck but you don't know where to put in the effort? Enlist, we''l gve you a shot at as an engineer, logistics, strategist, medical training, R&D guy, computer tech, programming, whichever you're best at, you can thrive. Then after serving you have career paths ahead of you
- So you have a lot of energy, you're muscular and you like to fight. Well then enlist for fuck sakes, we'll turn you in a killing machine. After serving you can do bodyguard, police work, security, etc.
- So you're fucking good at chess and you're intellectual? Enlist! You'll be an officer, you'll develop leadership and you can play real life chess on the battlefield. Once you're out you can go pretty much wherever intillegence is required
- So you good at fixing shit up? Enlist! We have a shit ton of things you can fix. Tanks, boats, engines, airplanes, guns, artillery, drones, computers and whatever the fuck else can break. After serving you can continue in the world of fixing shit up
There are soo much positive things the military can do for a shit ton of people...
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The mental gymnastics of defending this man must be excruciating.
And to top it off his cheerleaders still label him the most honest man in politics.
He's not honest. Hes just a real shitty liar.
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Patlal said: 60 billion in cuts. On a 500 billion deficit. Many more cuts are needed
We have the velocity of money at a 60 year low, the cuts are programs which drives money directly into the economy, what happens when those crumbs dry up? Economic turmoil and true hardships for the lower and middle classes.
What happens when you increase military spending by another $50-60 billion per year do for the economy? NOTHING.
I got news for you, it's too late for fiscal austerity at this point, that's a great way to put this very fragile economy into a deep recession.
The Atlanta Fed has downgrade growth for the 1st quarter below 1%, this budget will drive it even lower.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/atlanta-fed-downgrades-us-q1-gdp-view-below-1.html
I thought you were a trump fan
I voted for Trump on his rhetoric and campaign promises, so far he has made no effort to come through with those goals, in fact it's been the complete opposite.
So the question is, WTF happened? My guess, they sat Donald down and told him the deal, he's got too much to lose to try to make "America Great Again!".
He'll be another Obama, but even worse because were deeper into this economic cycle, what happens if stocks, bonds and real estate don't remain at all-time highs in the next few years? It won't be pretty for The Donald. 
Well at least you aren't plugging your ears and yelling fake news anymore. Actually holding him accountable is noble but now you see why a lot of people are rightfully feeling like he will definitely fuck our economy worse then it is and helping the super rich stay super rich and poor stay poor. What he is going to be is a worse version of George W Bush. Did you see his lame ass answer for why he claimed Obama wiretapped him? It's truly pathetic he just says that he reads news and hears the news stories and that's how he found out about the wiretapping.
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