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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24186917 - 03/23/17 06:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It is to most of the GOP


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: koods]
    #24186924 - 03/23/17 06:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why would I care what they think?  Why would you?


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24186961 - 03/23/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Oh so you're looking ahead to the future when the idiot masses realize that republicans don't give a fuck about them


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: koods]
    #24187006 - 03/23/17 06:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Wow. I have to admit, even I'm shocked at how pathetic trump is. He's gonna give up on repealing obamacare if the GOP bill doesnt pass tomorrow. he's such a fighter. He put up with this for four whole days. Enough is enough. Time to go golfing.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325568-trump-tells-gop-to-take-it-or-leave-it-on-obamacare-repeal


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: koods]
    #24187010 - 03/23/17 06:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, I'm looking at now, when talking heads in Washington have no power to define my reality.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187020 - 03/23/17 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Trump needs to use his amazing car salesman skills for good and push for single payer.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: koods]
    #24187033 - 03/23/17 07:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I might not be against that as long as the payer isn't the government.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187043 - 03/23/17 07:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe Ivanka can get the contract to provide national insurance


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: koods]
    #24187051 - 03/23/17 07:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So, you're really okay with the government deciding what care you do and do not need?  I'm curious.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #24187086 - 03/23/17 07:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If they don't decide what to give you, then you get nothing from them.  Easy choice for me.  :shrug:


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187097 - 03/23/17 07:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd prefer nothing from them, and not having to pay them to give me nothing.  Single payer means that private insurance will become rare and expensive.  Only the rich will be able to afford good care.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187112 - 03/23/17 07:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Single payer means that private insurance will become rare and expensive.  Only the rich will be able to afford good care.



Medicare for all is more than good enough for me.  And many people couldn't afford ANY care under your proposal (if you're really worried about the not so rich).


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187119 - 03/23/17 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I get that.  I want to help the poor, but I don't really want to lose my freedom/ability to have some control over the quality of my care.  Medicare might be good enough for you, but it's horrible for people who have real long-term problems. 

Cost of healthcare might go down if education were more adequately funded.  I'd rather see that approach than single payer.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187140 - 03/23/17 07:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I get that.  I want to help the poor, but I don't really want to lose my freedom/ability to have some control over the quality of my care.  Medicare might be good enough for you, but it's horrible for people who have real long-term problems.



It seems better than every other option right now:



And long term care insurance would still be an option for those with a little extra money.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187183 - 03/23/17 07:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Your chart looks like it's a distant second to Medicaid and only marginally better than out-of-pocket.  I had to lol that you used the Heritage Foundation as a source.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187196 - 03/23/17 08:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I get that.  I want to help the poor, but I don't really want to lose my freedom/ability to have some control over the quality of my care.  Medicare might be good enough for you, but it's horrible for people who have real long-term problems. 

Cost of healthcare might go down if education were more adequately funded.  I'd rather see that approach than single payer.




I just don't get this argument. There only needs to be one plan. If you get sick, you're covered. it makes zero sense trying to micromanage insurance. The entire point is to cover the unpredictable.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187205 - 03/23/17 08:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Your chart looks like it's a distant second to Medicaid and only marginally better than out-of-pocket.  I had to lol that you used the Heritage Foundation as a source.




You're right, I should have said "Government care" rather than Medicare.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: koods]
    #24187209 - 03/23/17 08:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

As always, the devil is in the details.  Covered for what?  For anything and everything a doctor thinks is a good idea?  For Federally Approved Procedures?  For what?  Who decides?  If it's someone other than me and my doctor, I'm not okay with that.


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Enlil]
    #24187226 - 03/23/17 08:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're ok with a for-profit insurer deciding?


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Re: Dumpcare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24187287 - 03/23/17 08:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

As long as I can choose the insurer or no insurer based on those policies.


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