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alcazabam
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Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ?
#24153747 - 03/11/17 11:18 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi again growers, I got these three spore syringe from spores101 in the beginning of January, shipped 1 month earlier and I suspect they were frozen during shipping. They took very long to colonize substrate and few of the BRF cakes worked. First one to colonize was Alacabenzi, next Golden Teacher and last B+ Alacabenzi fruited some nice looking mushrooms, but the gills are looking strange and not dropping much spores..(48 hours print on the picture) :

Golden Teacher`s are starting to fruit now, they have weird shape :
 So I expect people from the board will respond that my genetics have been damaged, my question would be, in this case, if I use the few fresh spores I can get from them, will it result in bad genetics too, or its like a new start with the same original properties of the Alacabenzi or GT or B+ ?
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: alcazabam]
#24153760 - 03/11/17 11:25 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spores101 sells only B+ and labels then differently And you're lucky they didn't send you oyster mushrooms.
Genetics don't get damaged from freezing the spores either become non viable or stay fine.
Conditions are why they look so sad. What kind of fruiting setup is that
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24153776 - 03/11/17 11:31 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Genetics don't get damaged. You are watching to much X-Men. They live or die.
That looks like some kind of infection. Never saw gills like that.
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: fastsack]
#24153788 - 03/11/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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They're just unhappy from being in a choke chamber
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24153815 - 03/11/17 11:47 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm amazed you got fruit.
Spores101 sold me syringes full of bacteria.
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: Thedillestpickle]
#24153816 - 03/11/17 11:48 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spores101 has the reputation of Bill Cosby in a women's dressing room
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alcazabam
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24153855 - 03/11/17 12:09 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have two different chambers, one is shotgun another one is a cold mist humidifier pushing air , Im using the second one now since I tested that both bring up humidity to same level anyway and shotgun is a bit messy in the house, perlite everywhere around it
I believe they are unhappy because humidity level fluctuates often below their liking .. its -30 Celsius outside today, last big cold before spring comes
I noticed that about low outside temperature versus maximum humidity I can put in the inside air @ 20 Celsius :
outside temp | maximum humidity -30 Celsius | 60% -20 Celsius | 70% -10 Celsius | 80% 0 Celsius | 90% +10 Celsius | 99%
Every time Im manually misting inside the chamber @ -30c/60% the humidity will go up 25% to 85% while the mist stuck on the inside walls/bottom/top of the chamber are quickly evaporating
Not easy to grow during harsh dry east canadian winter 
Im glad to ear that these same ones will grow fine in good conditions and are not 'damaged' cause I got plenty of agar plates with them on it
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: alcazabam]
#24153864 - 03/11/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cubes grow in fields in bright sun 50-80% humidity is good for them. Only 90+ near the surface which should happen automatically as they Evaporate they create their own microclimate
It's super easy to grow in harsh dry Canadian weather. Half of our TCs are Canadians with the same weather
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Mad Season said: Open air 40% Rh: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21288129
Open air 10% rh: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22105120
Outdoors grow in a zone 2 plant hardiness zone: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21856836
Another: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22470314
Here's pics of what happens when people try to get 99% Rh:
     
If humidity was so important, I'd be boned AF living in such a harsh environment. I agree humidity is important for a great flush, that is why it's on the list, just at the bottom. However you don't want too much. More like 55-80 tops. Anyways, I'll always maintain that it not only is just a crutch people use to mist less it's also something people get all caught up over when they need to be worried about what's important. PROPER MISTING.
Besides that is awfully wrong. Fluctuating humidity is exactly what you want. It promotes evaporation, the thing that will actually give you a good pinset. TMC is notoriously wrong for these things, luckily it has a great contamination area that makes up for it
And perlite should be staying in the sgfc. Sift out the small perlite then shake your sgfc so that the holes get "set" and no perlite leaks out. Or put a boot tray on the ground below the sgfc.
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: fastsack]
#24153885 - 03/11/17 12:22 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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fastsack said: Genetics don't get damaged. You are watching to much X-Men. They live or die.
That looks like some kind of infection. Never saw gills like that.
Lysol will damage genetics, not that it's the case here but just sayin...
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: PinPornProducer]
#24153888 - 03/11/17 12:22 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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And x-rays, gamma, uv light too.
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24153924 - 03/11/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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alcazabam
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24153926 - 03/11/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Cubes grow in fields in bright sun 50-80% humidity is good for them. Only 90+ near the surface which should happen automatically as they Evaporate they create their own microclimate
Thanks Bodhi ! ill use these tips from now on
about the light, they`re getting 1000 around lux from the north side window and when the sun goes down I light up those agro fluorescent that gives more than 1000 lux
I measured the light using an app on my smart-phone, pretty useful
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: alcazabam]
#24153934 - 03/11/17 12:40 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#24153935 - 03/11/17 12:41 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Spores101 has the reputation of Bill Cosby in a women's dressing room
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alcazabam
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: PinPornProducer]
#24196475 - 03/27/17 09:25 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: alcazabam]
#24196888 - 03/27/17 12:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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more like..

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alcazabam
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Re: Strange gills , few spores, weird shape shrooms : damaged genetics ? [Re: mushboy]
#24240274 - 04/13/17 11:59 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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your empty pointless posts reminds me about them wanting to increase their number of posts on the board
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