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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: Webster10] 1
#24154490 - 03/11/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's already a huge labor shortage in construction. Why aren't the lazy trump voters taking those jobs? 200,000 nationwide unfilled positions.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#24154511 - 03/11/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you know nothing. Trump clearly knows more than you, isn't that something...you keep the non-violent offenders, give them citizenship, but make them pay-off the debt incurred by their passage through the US when they were not a citizen, ie, tax them...they want to stay, they WILL work for it, and pay- because when they are done with it all, and have a wife and kid(s), and home, it'll all have been worth it. that's the American dream, right? guess what? those citizens will increase the workforce and pay their debt to Americans, and the economy will flourish. you take them ALL OUT...the economy will TANK. there isn't enough people like yourself to pull that extra weight when you're they're gone...and you don't want the economy to tank when you're already hurting...right?
get rid of the violent offenders, that's the best option. secure the borders. bring back manufacturing jobs from overseas, and make it so private entities will have to pay to operate outside of the US while remaining a US company. and then there's the Muslim thing, which, is constitutionally damaging, that is, if you want to deport anyone...it's never gonna happen...just like trying to round up illegal Mexicans, like you so please, would be not only impossible, but also it would infringe on the rights of actual citizens (police tracking people down in inner cities especially- and if they mess up on their intel and provoke the wrong people, then there is lawsuits out the ass)...the best option there is to improve the vetting process, which Trump has done. congress had no good reason to block his proposal to halt immigrants from coming in- it was, afterall, only a 90 day ban, and it was of course to give time to improve the vetting process, among other things.
so far Trump = 1
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: koods]
#24154514 - 03/11/17 04:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: There's already a huge labor shortage in construction. Why aren't the lazy trump voters taking those jobs? 200,000 nationwide unfilled positions.
That's a good question, although a quick google search shows wages are going up as a result, which is a good thing, IMO
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: Webster10]
#24154515 - 03/11/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the left is full of leeches
the right is full of leeches. bunch of wheelchair-bound, asthmatic, former crackaddicts.
the left too.
especially the commies.
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koods said: There's already a huge labor shortage in construction. Why aren't the lazy trump voters taking those jobs? 200,000 nationwide unfilled positions.
That's a good question, although a quick google search shows wages are going up as a result, which is a good thing, IMO
well, i'll be. don't you look so liberal in your big boy pants.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: akira_akuma] 2
#24154532 - 03/11/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hostileuniverse and I agree on the kind of penises we prefer too
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: koods]
#24154545 - 03/11/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude, he likes da non-circumcised. cha, bro, that rocks.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24154570 - 03/11/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the left is full of leeches
the right is full of leeches. bunch of wheelchair-bound, asthmatic, former crackaddicts.
the left too.
especially the commies.
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koods said: There's already a huge labor shortage in construction. Why aren't the lazy trump voters taking those jobs? 200,000 nationwide unfilled positions.
That's a good question, although a quick google search shows wages are going up as a result, which is a good thing, IMO
well, i'll be. don't you look so liberal in your big boy pants.
Wanting good paying jobs isn't liberal, it's common sense, the fact libs and cons disagree how to achieve it is all
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#24154592 - 03/11/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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whoa, you didn't just throw liberals under the bus alone- good job!
and you're right.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#24154634 - 03/11/17 05:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Automation is evil!
*sets up a server-bank to mine Bitcoin*
yeah, it sucks!
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koods said: His entire premise that trade is what is killing middle class jobs, especially manufacturing, is bullshit. Manufacturing output is at an all time high. 90% of manufacturing jobs since 2000 have been lost to automation. Addressing the increasing obsolescence of human labor would be a refreshing thing to see from a politician.
alot of people seem to be convinced otherwise.
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The Ecstatic said: well how else are we supposed to demonize non-Americans?
Just kidding, theres hundreds of ways.
You both ignore the flooding of cheap labor by illegals, another thing that trump is trying to fix, and not getting any support from the democrats by the way.
Do you know what happens to wages during a labor shortage? They go up
Do you know what happens to wages when there is an oversupply of cheap labor???
To deny that is to deny reality, automation isn't killing the middle class, low wages are
Fal doesn't believe in the economic laws of supply and demand, wages are stagnant because employers just got a lot meaner the past 30 years.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: akira_akuma]
#24154652 - 03/11/17 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you know nothing. Trump clearly knows more than you, isn't that something...you keep the non-violent offenders, give them citizenship, but make them pay-off the debt incurred by their passage through the US when they were not a citizen, ie, tax them...they want to stay, they WILL work for it, and pay- because when they are done with it all, and have a wife and kid(s), and home, it'll all have been worth it. that's the American dream, right? guess what? those citizens will increase the workforce and pay their debt to Americans, and the economy will flourish. you take them ALL OUT...the economy will TANK. there isn't enough people like yourself to pull that extra weight when you're they're gone...and you don't want the economy to tank when you're already hurting...right?
get rid of the violent offenders, that's the best option. secure the borders. bring back manufacturing jobs from overseas, and make it so private entities will have to pay to operate outside of the US while remaining a US company. and then there's the Muslim thing, which, is constitutionally damaging, that is, if you want to deport anyone...it's never gonna happen...just like trying to round up illegal Mexicans, like you so please, would be not only impossible, but also it would infringe on the rights of actual citizens (police tracking people down in inner cities especially- and if they mess up on their intel and provoke the wrong people, then there is lawsuits out the ass)...the best option there is to improve the vetting process, which Trump has done. congress had no good reason to block his proposal to halt immigrants from coming in- it was, afterall, only a 90 day ban, and it was of course to give time to improve the vetting process, among other things.
so far Trump = 1
and Qman = 0
Yeah, I'm sure Julio making $7.25 per hour will pay off all of his free education, health care, housing, free stamps and criminal justice services for the past 30 years. 
Have you been eating those pipedream pills again?
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: qman]
#24154664 - 03/11/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: Fal doesn't believe in the economic laws of supply and demand, wages are stagnant because employers just got a lot meaner the past 30 years. 
I believe in reality. I don't know how many times I've shown you that there is no correlation between unemployment and wages, but here it is again for others capable of learning:

It WOULD be the case if workers actually had bargaining power through unions (or something similar), but they don't, and that's why we see no correlation.
But go ahead and keep pretending it's all the immigrants fault. You can't help it because racism is more important to you than reality. You prove this again and again and again.
Oh and employers didn't get meaner, the Government actually did with reduced minimum wages and fewer worker protections.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: qman] 1
#24154667 - 03/11/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: Yeah, I'm sure Julio making $7.25 per hour will pay off all of his free education, health care, housing, free stamps and criminal justice services for the past 30 years. 
Have you been eating those pipedream pills again? 
Julio must be a US citizen, because illegals don't get free healthcare, housing, or food stamps.
But go ahead and try and rally people against Mexican Americans. It's what you do.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#24154693 - 03/11/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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qman said: Yeah, I'm sure Julio making $7.25 per hour will pay off all of his free education, health care, housing, free stamps and criminal justice services for the past 30 years. 
Have you been eating those pipedream pills again? 
Julio must be a US citizen, because illegals don't get free healthcare, housing, or food stamps.
But go ahead and try and rally people against Mexican Americans. It's what you do.
You missed the part where he stated "give them citizenship", obviously you skip over AA's posts. You've been busted!
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#24154702 - 03/11/17 06:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why even argue with him? He wants the brown people out, even if that means ruining the us economy. He hates them that much. He's consumed by it.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: qman]
#24154716 - 03/11/17 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You missed the part where he stated "give them citizenship", obviously you skip over AA's posts. You've been busted! 
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: koods]
#24154722 - 03/11/17 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh and employers didn't get meaner, the Government actually did with reduced minimum wages
Can you link for me when govt lowered minimum wage? Thanks
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: koods]
#24154732 - 03/11/17 06:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Why even argue with him? He wants the brown people out, even if that means ruining the us economy. He hates them that much. He's consumed by it.
Hmm, if Eastern Europeans are in the US illegally and lowering wages/mooching off the taxpayer, they should also be deported.
How is that stance racist? It's not. I've been very consistent on this issue, it's not about race, it's about economics.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: qman]
#24154743 - 03/11/17 06:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Why even argue with him? He wants the brown people out, even if that means ruining the us economy. He hates them that much. He's consumed by it.
Hmm, if Eastern Europeans are in the US illegally and lowering wages/mooching off the taxpayer, they should also be deported.
How is that stance racist? It's not. I've been very consistent on this issue, it's not about race, it's about economics.
They will never admit that, because they can't win based on the logic of the economics of it. They have to make it about race, take the racial component out of it, all your arguments make perfect sense, and they KNOW that.
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Re: Obama vs Trump - Who's better for middle class America??? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#24154751 - 03/11/17 06:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol! they are consorting with themselves so cleverly!
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