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Surf & offshore fishing
    #24141269 - 03/06/17 01:37 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone here do any surf or offshore fishing? It's what I live.  If anyone needs any advice on pretty much anything related to saltwater fishing, beach camping, rods/reels, boats, kayaks, etc feel free to ask.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24142876 - 03/07/17 04:09 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I never fished saltwater, but when I was young I read everything I could get my hands on about fishing and a lot of it was saltwater. Offshore seems to be expensive (except maybe partyboats), so I read about surf fishing which sounds exciting and not too expensive. I guess I was reading this in the early 70's. From what I remember you either surfcast or bottom fish live bait. What I remember was people casting tin squids or bottom fishing with bait on 3 way rigs with triangular sinkers. I also read about people fishing brackish canals in Florida with for smaller tarpon with bass tackle which is supposed to be great sport.

      So what's going on 45 years later with surf fishing. Do you have to flush all your reels with freshwater , or only freshwater reels. I'd like to try it on my next Florida or coastal trip. I want to try some saltwater fishing on my bucket list, but I like the do it yourself and inexpensive version. I don't know if I should use my heaviest baitcasters or just rent equipment.

      How is surfcasting done today?


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #24145066 - 03/07/17 10:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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How is surfcasting done today?





I recommend a large spinning outfit, yes rinse your gear with freshwater after use, there are even some products which help keep salt erosion down which you can spray on your gear.

I have been on boats offshore fishing, caught some Mahi Mahi, but that's it.  Most saltwater fishing I have done was from the beach, oh and on a flat for tarpon.

Beach fishing is awesome though, snook are really fun to catch, and fight really hard.  I remember catching some nice snook on St. Pete beach, I also remember getting shit on by a pelican on the Panama city pier.:lol:


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24145719 - 03/08/17 08:01 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd like to try it on my next Florida or coastal trip. I want to try some saltwater fishing on my bucket list, but I like the do it yourself and inexpensive version. I don't know if I should use my heaviest baitcasters or just rent equipment.

      How is surfcasting done today?




Last time I was in Panama City Fl. I viewed rays doing loops alongside me while I body-surfed and the water was clear blue. Fishermen with large coolers were bottom fishing from the pier where the surf broke next to the dog-walking beach.

LOL about the pelican^^ My sister got pooped on by a Condor when standing close to a cage for a photograph.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #24150675 - 03/10/17 07:32 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I surf fish with anything from a 10# spinning reel tossing lures for trout to 50w's for sharks.  In about a week I can post some info.  Been busy this week and about to head out for a week long camping/fishing trip on the beach.  Hoping to catch some pompano, best to use 20 or 30# fluorocarbon hook drops with a 1/0 or 2/0 circle hook, power snell circle hooks. It makes a difference.  Pompano like fresh  shrimp, I've had best luck buying live shrimp.  They are also suckered for bright colored objects so I use a little piece of 'fishbites' on the hook with the fresh shrimp.  Cast it out into the 2nd gut.  If you can find a spot that has lots of coquina calms its a good sign of pomps, they dine on them.  My favorite set up for pomps is my 11ft St.Croix legend paired with my Penn 535gs.  50# braid on bottom topped off with 100m of 30# mono.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24150698 - 03/10/17 07:45 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I only use pyramid weights when the surf is is calm and current nil. I use spider weights most of the time.  I primary use 3 way rights for smallish fish and catching bait for my shark rods.  Spinning reels are ok and have their applications but I'm a fan of bait casters myself, once you master long distance casting you'll be in love with em.  Offshore fishing can be and is expensive but I love it.  I pretty much only keep offshore fish and pompano to eat and release 90% of what I catch.  Nothing like a big tuna pulling you 7 yes I said 7 miles in a kayak or a sailfish greyhound and jumping all around you in a kayak.  I got pics and video maybe I'll post em up.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24205583 - 03/30/17 02:31 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Have any of you who fish saltwater offshore seen the flying fish. I always heard of them but just saw this video that was amazing. With a good wind they can stay airborne for hundreds of meters, but they have a huge mortality rate. Big predator birds, Frigates, I believe, snatch them easily while airborne and if they do return to the water they are frequently gobbled up immediately by predator fish. The video sounded British so don't know how much they frequent our coasts.

    Yesterday I saw another amazing video. Two great white sharks, believed to be a mating pair,  were spotted in the Illinois River about 50 miles  S.W. of Chicago. Despite the improbability of ocean fish being over a thousand miles inland they believe they were attracted by the influx of the invasive species big head carp. Sharks have been found in Illinois before infrequently between last year and 1937, but no great whites. Conservation officials say will capture them and return them to the ocean. A major undertaking, possibly federal law.

    Bighead Carp have become a big problem. 30-80 pounds, they jump out the water and annihilate people sitting in boats. There have been deaths and many hospitalizations with long recovery time. In a natural (non-reservoir) lake if the regular carp population went out control they would poison the lake and start over but that can't be done in a river system. It appears to be a problem with no solution due to their size, reproduction rate and no possible predator to control them. Chicago and nearby areas have installed electric barriers and fences to halt their advance, but no expert really thinks it can work, just slow it down a bit. If they reach the Chicago River, and almost certainly some have, they will take over the great lakes and then the Saint Lawrence River. In a relatively short time they will have invaded, unchecked, from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic.

    On the other side of the world it's a different story. Asia, mainly China grew 300 million pounds of them in aqua culture in a 2013 stat, and they are a common  food fish in  much of Asia and other parts of the world. Nobody knows who but they were brought here intentionally. Their sale in market is outlawed in Missouri, Illinois and New York, except NYC where they are legally required to leave the market dead.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24209085 - 03/31/17 06:59 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I have seen flying fish while off shore fishing in the virgin islands, really cool.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24211537 - 04/01/17 06:06 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I live in Minnesota..  What is this "shore" thing you speak of?


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: GabbaDj]
    #24212172 - 04/01/17 11:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I lived in St Paul for 5 months in 91. When I got there in late spring it had been so rainey they said the state motto should be changed to Land of a billion mosquitos and one big lake. There were ducks living in the puddles in the parking lot behind the apartments.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #24212200 - 04/01/17 11:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I don't fuck with the surf like i did as a kid, but i like to throw spoons and swimbaits on sandy beaches for halibut sometimes.  Occasionally I'll soak some mussel or sandcrabs for asst. perch and the occasional small calico bass.

I like to fuck around in the harbor with my 14' aluminum.  Mostly I hit the edges of kelp for calicos and sandbass on swimbaits.  Sometimes i'll troll the main channel for white seabass, barracuda, etc.  Occasionally i'll hit the breakwalls for buttermouths and other trashy fish if its slow.  I use penn jigmasters with 15# mono for most things, but i like to use ultralight trout tackle for the buttermouths and opal-eye etc.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24220888 - 04/05/17 03:50 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Lots of good upgrades for the jigmasters! I don't fish mine anymore but I'm sure it'll see water again someday. 
Flying fish are a wonderful sight to see offshore...usually pelagics near by hungry for a meal.  Everything eats flying fish. Excellent tuna bait.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24425160 - 06/21/17 09:01 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Have any of you who fish saltwater offshore seen the flying fish. I always heard of them but just saw this video that was amazing. With a good wind they can stay airborne for hundreds of meters, but they have a huge mortality rate. Big predator birds, Frigates, I believe, snatch them easily while airborne and if they do return to the water they are frequently gobbled up immediately by predator fish. The video sounded British so don't know how much they frequent our coasts.

    Yesterday I saw another amazing video. Two great white sharks, believed to be a mating pair,  were spotted in the Illinois River about 50 miles  S.W. of Chicago. Despite the improbability of ocean fish being over a thousand miles inland they believe they were attracted by the influx of the invasive species big head carp. Sharks have been found in Illinois before infrequently between last year and 1937, but no great whites. Conservation officials say will capture them and return them to the ocean. A major undertaking, possibly federal law.

    Bighead Carp have become a big problem. 30-80 pounds, they jump out the water and annihilate people sitting in boats. There have been deaths and many hospitalizations with long recovery time. In a natural (non-reservoir) lake if the regular carp population went out control they would poison the lake and start over but that can't be done in a river system. It appears to be a problem with no solution due to their size, reproduction rate and no possible predator to control them. Chicago and nearby areas have installed electric barriers and fences to halt their advance, but no expert really thinks it can work, just slow it down a bit. If they reach the Chicago River, and almost certainly some have, they will take over the great lakes and then the Saint Lawrence River. In a relatively short time they will have invaded, unchecked, from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic.

    On the other side of the world it's a different story. Asia, mainly China grew 300 million pounds of them in aqua culture in a 2013 stat, and they are a common  food fish in  much of Asia and other parts of the world. Nobody knows who but they were brought here intentionally. Their sale in market is outlawed in Missouri, Illinois and New York, except NYC where they are legally required to leave the market dead.




Upon further investigation I am now seeing as many websites pro and con on whether the great white sharks in the Illinois river was a hoax. I am guessing hoax.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24425260 - 06/21/17 09:32 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

bull shark maybe.  they're known to go up rivers. they look just like a white shark, almost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_shark
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The bull shark is known for its aggressive nature, predilection for warm shallow water, and presence in brackish and freshwater systems including estuaries and rivers.

Bull sharks can thrive in both salt and fresh water and can travel far up rivers. They have been known to travel up the Mississippi River as far as Illinois,[2] although few freshwater human-shark interactions have been recorded.




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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24425363 - 06/21/17 10:16 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Bullshark is the only shark capable of surviving in fresh water for any prolonged period of time.
Worldwide anyway. Ocean sharks generally do not make themselves into river sharks. But there is a handful of freshwater shark species in Asia and Australia. They are all reclusive and most are extremely endangered. Up until relatively recently in history one species was believed to be extinct.

More can tolerate brackish waters, but it is rare they will swim past a river delta.

If I'm not mistaken great whites have never been recorded mating anywhere, their mating and spawning behavior is relatively undocumented.


Besides that, they are largely a cold water shark. They favor the Pacific and are highly unlikely to go up into the gulf. They are showing up in there and in the Atlantic more frequently as melting ice caps is lowering the water temperature and food shortages is forcing them to migrate more but it is still extremely rare. It's not totally impossible for a dying or very sick great white to accidentally swim up into the Mississippi but the odds are incredibly small. And even smaller that it would also be found. I don't say many things are impossible but I feel confident in saying a great white being that far up the Mississippi river is impossible.


There is a tiny touch of truth in the story though. If I remember correctly the farthest inland any bullshark has ever been found in fresh water is just outside of Illinois.


If you're curious: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_bullsharks_2.html


Also if you're curious you can look up Glyphis river sharks. They are beautiful creatures. Ganges river shark is the largest I think. Unlike the others that tend to max out at 2-3 ft.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24425491 - 06/21/17 11:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

White sharks are adapted to cold water, but are by no means restricted to cold water by anything but the need for large amounts of calories.  Cold water holds more oxygen, and is much more bioproductive than warm water.  Its the same reason whales tend to feed in cold water.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #24426525 - 06/22/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

So you are right. :thatsinteresting:

I can always count on you to let me know when I'm spewing bullshit about the nature of earth.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24426532 - 06/22/17 12:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I've done some bay fishing in a boat. Shore and pier fishing more often.

And more often than not I'm bored as fuck. Ocean is so vast and there is so much less fish in there than there once was. Rivers and ponds tend to be much more profitable.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24426559 - 06/22/17 12:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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So you are right. :thatsinteresting:

I can always count on you to let me know when I'm spewing bullshit about the nature of earth.


If we knew eachother in person we'd probably have some kind of nerdy hand shake/fist bump.




:highfive:


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I've done some bay fishing in a boat. Shore and pier fishing more often.

And more often than not I'm bored as fuck. Ocean is so vast and there is so much less fish in there than there once was. Rivers and ponds tend to be much more profitable.




you're in the south somewhere, right?  do you have redfish where you're at?  those fuckers look like fun.  they bite in shallow water, and they look like they put up a good fight.  here's a pic of a random old lady with a nice one.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24426763 - 06/22/17 02:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Lol.

No I live a bit too far north to get redfish. I have fished in redfish waters but never caught them. Like I said, most my ocean fishing has not been awfully profitable.


We do get red rockfish up here though. They aren't often real big, but they can be, and are better eating than most of what I've caught.


Been thinking about heading over to one of the rivers that let out into the Chesapeake here soon to help them with their blue catfish problem.
I generally stopped fishing because I feel bad for the fish. Even for catch and release cuz I tend to accidentally murder the little ones trying to get the hook out. But there is no reason to worry about a fish and its health if it's an invasive species that is destroying an ecosystem.

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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24427047 - 06/22/17 04:30 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Lol.

No I live a bit too far north to get redfish. I have fished in redfish waters but never caught them. Like I said, most my ocean fishing has not been awfully profitable.


We do get red rockfish up here though. They aren't often real big, but they can be, and are better eating than most of what I've caught.


Been thinking about heading over to one of the rivers that let out into the Chesapeake here soon to help them with their blue catfish problem.
I generally stopped fishing because I feel bad for the fish. Even for catch and release cuz I tend to accidentally murder the little ones trying to get the hook out. But there is no reason to worry about a fish and its health if it's an invasive species that is destroying an ecosystem.

Fried catfish is yummy too :sadyes:




Most fish can be released if you fish with lures, because you hook 'em in the mouth.  I try not to fish with bait for anything i'm not planning to eat (so hardly ever).  Blues are tasty, and they get big.  They will take live bait too, so you can target them that way.  I have a small flathead in my 55gal aquarium.  he was just a baby when i caught him.  He was mixed in with a bunch of small bullheads.  I dunno what i'll do with him when he outgrows the tank.  Eat him i guess, because now he's been exposed to aquarium parasites etc. that i wouldn't want to introduce to the local waters.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24428584 - 06/23/17 08:14 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

If you have the space you could build an outdoor pond for him. I have a neighbor that has massive koy fish in a 5ft pond. I know it's 5 feet because I fell in it once and it came up to my neck (I'm 5'5") was about 9 feet long and 4 feet wide. All you need is a pump or a fountain to keep water moving. I'd consider getting an algea eater too.


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    #24430134 - 06/23/17 08:11 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I live right on the Gulf of Mexico, but never really got into fishing.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24496620 - 07/20/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Use circle hooks if you're gonna  baitfish....always gets them in the mouth. The Chesapeake bay has had bull sharks come as far north as the Bay Bridge. a Buddy of mine got into a school of dolphins at the mouth of the Chester river last week....said one did a flip right next to his boat. I have never heard of them coming up that far into the bay before. Pretty crazy.

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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24496863 - 07/20/17 05:33 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Use circle hooks if you're gonna  baitfish....always gets them in the mouth.




QFT.

I catch and release, and even though i almost always use plastics, if i happen to be using bait, i use circle hooks.


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #24496925 - 07/20/17 06:01 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I live on the mainland.

The most common sharks to swim into the bay are sandbar sharks. They get up to 8ft. The bull sharks that come into the area, the big ones at least, are likely pregnant females looking for a good place in the shallows for their babies.

Only sharks I've ever seen or heard of being caught in the bay are babies or young jouvies, with the bigged being just under 3ft. So I'm imagining the species that actually do swim up into the bay are most often coming in to give birth.

I'd love to see them, but I'd feel bad about hooking them.



I have no idea what a circle hook looks like. My issue is simply getting the hook out. I've almost accidentally ripped their lips off before. Have torn their poor fish lips before :sad: If it gets caught deep in the gills or down the throat I prefer to cut it. I've never gotten a hook out of a fishes throat unless it was already almost out. I dunno why that's such an issue with me. Took a long time to master baiting the hook too. I guess I'll blame my disgraphia or general lack of coordination. It used to be the inability to control the pressure in my hands. When I was young I crushed little fish by accident :sad:


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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24557211 - 08/16/17 02:25 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I like catching sandbar sharks during spring on the Texas coast. They migrate here from the north east Atlantic Coast to have babies.  Keeping them is prohibited.  I'm very careful to work quickly and carefully for the sake of the shark.  I'll put a small tag on them that I get from a oceanic fisheries research foundation to help with migration, growth, etc. I will also sometimes take a very small clipping of a fun for their DNA research.  I've never had one die on me. 

I'll try to 'horse' them in and not play them to the point of exhaustion.  Even with the largest ones I've caught 7'2"-7'7" I was able to get them fast enough for them to swim off strong.  My girlfriend caught a 6'10" on one of my bullred/smaller shark reels.  Took her over an hour because it was foul hooked in the fin.  We didn't tag that one because I wanted it to get it back in the water asap, I stayed with it in waist deep water until it swam off strong.

  Circle hooks are the way to go. To get the most out of the circle hook design it's best to snell them. Since I've started to snell the ratio of landed fish has gone up as well as perfect corner of the jaw hook placement.

I'm ready for the bullred fish run.  If I remember I'll post a tutorial on how I make my leaders.  I make them heavy duty since they are not leader shy (the water is brown most of the time), might hook a shark, they last forever, and the redfish are big.


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    #24557769 - 08/16/17 09:55 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I have a co-worker from Florida, and he's strictly geared up for sharks.  It' s the weirdest thing to me.  We have sportfish on this coast.  I offered to take him out for Kelp bass and whatnot, but he doesn't have a reel smaller than a 6-0.  Where's the fun in that?


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    #24557969 - 08/16/17 11:28 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I'm dumb. I know what a circle hook is. I've used them before, though they haven't been my preferred hook just cuz they're a little harder to bait without poking myself.

If it's better for the fish though that's what I'll use :cheers:

How do I know what size I should be using, say for medium size bass or catfish?


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    #24558136 - 08/16/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

#2 probably. maybe bigger depending on what you're using for bait.

If you use lures instead of bait, you won't have to bother with circle hooks for bass because you'll get bit on the retrieve and hook in the mouth anyway.  I fish with swimbaits almost exclusively these days.  Super versatile.  Great for fresh or saltwater bass, and I can catch a halibut or a yellowtail, or pretty much anything that will eat a live bait, too.
I pretty much only ever use circle hooks for catfishing.


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    #24559060 - 08/16/17 08:09 PM (6 years, 5 months ago)

I fish for everything from trout to marlin.  Different folks different strokes.  It's fun when your hooked up to a fish for hours but it's also fin finesse fishing for picky eaters where stealth is required. Ultimately trolling for bills during the day and tossing poppers for tuna at night is my favorite. But I enjoy it all.
Ill use a #1, 1/0, and 2/0 circle for bait fish like whiting or live baiting shrimp for trout but have landed 44" redfish on them.  As the baits and fish get bigger I up the hook size. Just make sure to power snell them. They hook better.

What are yalls favorite reels? I have some modern 2 speeds(shimano, avet, penn) but find that my old pro gear albacore special is ultimately my favorite all around reel.  Can cast large plugs/poppers, jig spoons, live bait with it depending on which rod I mount it on.  It's loaded with momoi diamond  80# braid and depending in what I'm doing topshotted with fluorocarbon or heavier braid


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    #24741422 - 10/27/17 02:13 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)



My son and I went to the Ravens Game last night and when we got back to my house at 1:00am...noticed there were some fish feeding at the end of my pier....lol, he caught this on a 3/4 oz. rattle trap right at the end of the pier.:awesomenod:...was a good Baltimore day after the Ravens won 40-0 over the fins.....was a 27" striper, BTW


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