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Surf & offshore fishing
#24141269 - 03/06/17 01:37 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone here do any surf or offshore fishing? It's what I live. If anyone needs any advice on pretty much anything related to saltwater fishing, beach camping, rods/reels, boats, kayaks, etc feel free to ask.
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I never fished saltwater, but when I was young I read everything I could get my hands on about fishing and a lot of it was saltwater. Offshore seems to be expensive (except maybe partyboats), so I read about surf fishing which sounds exciting and not too expensive. I guess I was reading this in the early 70's. From what I remember you either surfcast or bottom fish live bait. What I remember was people casting tin squids or bottom fishing with bait on 3 way rigs with triangular sinkers. I also read about people fishing brackish canals in Florida with for smaller tarpon with bass tackle which is supposed to be great sport.
So what's going on 45 years later with surf fishing. Do you have to flush all your reels with freshwater , or only freshwater reels. I'd like to try it on my next Florida or coastal trip. I want to try some saltwater fishing on my bucket list, but I like the do it yourself and inexpensive version. I don't know if I should use my heaviest baitcasters or just rent equipment.
How is surfcasting done today?
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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#24145066 - 03/07/17 10:41 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: How is surfcasting done today?
I recommend a large spinning outfit, yes rinse your gear with freshwater after use, there are even some products which help keep salt erosion down which you can spray on your gear.
I have been on boats offshore fishing, caught some Mahi Mahi, but that's it. Most saltwater fishing I have done was from the beach, oh and on a flat for tarpon.
Beach fishing is awesome though, snook are really fun to catch, and fight really hard. I remember catching some nice snook on St. Pete beach, I also remember getting shit on by a pelican on the Panama city pier.
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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: Brian Jones]
#24145719 - 03/08/17 08:01 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: I'd like to try it on my next Florida or coastal trip. I want to try some saltwater fishing on my bucket list, but I like the do it yourself and inexpensive version. I don't know if I should use my heaviest baitcasters or just rent equipment.
How is surfcasting done today?
Last time I was in Panama City Fl. I viewed rays doing loops alongside me while I body-surfed and the water was clear blue. Fishermen with large coolers were bottom fishing from the pier where the surf broke next to the dog-walking beach.
LOL about the pelican^^ My sister got pooped on by a Condor when standing close to a cage for a photograph.
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I surf fish with anything from a 10# spinning reel tossing lures for trout to 50w's for sharks. In about a week I can post some info. Been busy this week and about to head out for a week long camping/fishing trip on the beach. Hoping to catch some pompano, best to use 20 or 30# fluorocarbon hook drops with a 1/0 or 2/0 circle hook, power snell circle hooks. It makes a difference. Pompano like fresh shrimp, I've had best luck buying live shrimp. They are also suckered for bright colored objects so I use a little piece of 'fishbites' on the hook with the fresh shrimp. Cast it out into the 2nd gut. If you can find a spot that has lots of coquina calms its a good sign of pomps, they dine on them. My favorite set up for pomps is my 11ft St.Croix legend paired with my Penn 535gs. 50# braid on bottom topped off with 100m of 30# mono.
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I only use pyramid weights when the surf is is calm and current nil. I use spider weights most of the time. I primary use 3 way rights for smallish fish and catching bait for my shark rods. Spinning reels are ok and have their applications but I'm a fan of bait casters myself, once you master long distance casting you'll be in love with em. Offshore fishing can be and is expensive but I love it. I pretty much only keep offshore fish and pompano to eat and release 90% of what I catch. Nothing like a big tuna pulling you 7 yes I said 7 miles in a kayak or a sailfish greyhound and jumping all around you in a kayak. I got pics and video maybe I'll post em up.
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Have any of you who fish saltwater offshore seen the flying fish. I always heard of them but just saw this video that was amazing. With a good wind they can stay airborne for hundreds of meters, but they have a huge mortality rate. Big predator birds, Frigates, I believe, snatch them easily while airborne and if they do return to the water they are frequently gobbled up immediately by predator fish. The video sounded British so don't know how much they frequent our coasts.
Yesterday I saw another amazing video. Two great white sharks, believed to be a mating pair, were spotted in the Illinois River about 50 miles S.W. of Chicago. Despite the improbability of ocean fish being over a thousand miles inland they believe they were attracted by the influx of the invasive species big head carp. Sharks have been found in Illinois before infrequently between last year and 1937, but no great whites. Conservation officials say will capture them and return them to the ocean. A major undertaking, possibly federal law.
Bighead Carp have become a big problem. 30-80 pounds, they jump out the water and annihilate people sitting in boats. There have been deaths and many hospitalizations with long recovery time. In a natural (non-reservoir) lake if the regular carp population went out control they would poison the lake and start over but that can't be done in a river system. It appears to be a problem with no solution due to their size, reproduction rate and no possible predator to control them. Chicago and nearby areas have installed electric barriers and fences to halt their advance, but no expert really thinks it can work, just slow it down a bit. If they reach the Chicago River, and almost certainly some have, they will take over the great lakes and then the Saint Lawrence River. In a relatively short time they will have invaded, unchecked, from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic.
On the other side of the world it's a different story. Asia, mainly China grew 300 million pounds of them in aqua culture in a 2013 stat, and they are a common food fish in much of Asia and other parts of the world. Nobody knows who but they were brought here intentionally. Their sale in market is outlawed in Missouri, Illinois and New York, except NYC where they are legally required to leave the market dead.
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I have seen flying fish while off shore fishing in the virgin islands, really cool.
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I live in Minnesota.. What is this "shore" thing you speak of?
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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: GabbaDj]
#24212172 - 04/01/17 11:04 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I lived in St Paul for 5 months in 91. When I got there in late spring it had been so rainey they said the state motto should be changed to Land of a billion mosquitos and one big lake. There were ducks living in the puddles in the parking lot behind the apartments.
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I don't fuck with the surf like i did as a kid, but i like to throw spoons and swimbaits on sandy beaches for halibut sometimes. Occasionally I'll soak some mussel or sandcrabs for asst. perch and the occasional small calico bass.
I like to fuck around in the harbor with my 14' aluminum. Mostly I hit the edges of kelp for calicos and sandbass on swimbaits. Sometimes i'll troll the main channel for white seabass, barracuda, etc. Occasionally i'll hit the breakwalls for buttermouths and other trashy fish if its slow. I use penn jigmasters with 15# mono for most things, but i like to use ultralight trout tackle for the buttermouths and opal-eye etc.
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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
#24220888 - 04/05/17 03:50 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lots of good upgrades for the jigmasters! I don't fish mine anymore but I'm sure it'll see water again someday. Flying fish are a wonderful sight to see offshore...usually pelagics near by hungry for a meal. Everything eats flying fish. Excellent tuna bait.
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Brian Jones said: Have any of you who fish saltwater offshore seen the flying fish. I always heard of them but just saw this video that was amazing. With a good wind they can stay airborne for hundreds of meters, but they have a huge mortality rate. Big predator birds, Frigates, I believe, snatch them easily while airborne and if they do return to the water they are frequently gobbled up immediately by predator fish. The video sounded British so don't know how much they frequent our coasts.
Yesterday I saw another amazing video. Two great white sharks, believed to be a mating pair, were spotted in the Illinois River about 50 miles S.W. of Chicago. Despite the improbability of ocean fish being over a thousand miles inland they believe they were attracted by the influx of the invasive species big head carp. Sharks have been found in Illinois before infrequently between last year and 1937, but no great whites. Conservation officials say will capture them and return them to the ocean. A major undertaking, possibly federal law.
Bighead Carp have become a big problem. 30-80 pounds, they jump out the water and annihilate people sitting in boats. There have been deaths and many hospitalizations with long recovery time. In a natural (non-reservoir) lake if the regular carp population went out control they would poison the lake and start over but that can't be done in a river system. It appears to be a problem with no solution due to their size, reproduction rate and no possible predator to control them. Chicago and nearby areas have installed electric barriers and fences to halt their advance, but no expert really thinks it can work, just slow it down a bit. If they reach the Chicago River, and almost certainly some have, they will take over the great lakes and then the Saint Lawrence River. In a relatively short time they will have invaded, unchecked, from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic.
On the other side of the world it's a different story. Asia, mainly China grew 300 million pounds of them in aqua culture in a 2013 stat, and they are a common food fish in much of Asia and other parts of the world. Nobody knows who but they were brought here intentionally. Their sale in market is outlawed in Missouri, Illinois and New York, except NYC where they are legally required to leave the market dead.
Upon further investigation I am now seeing as many websites pro and con on whether the great white sharks in the Illinois river was a hoax. I am guessing hoax.
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bull shark maybe. they're known to go up rivers. they look just like a white shark, almost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_shark
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The bull shark is known for its aggressive nature, predilection for warm shallow water, and presence in brackish and freshwater systems including estuaries and rivers.
Bull sharks can thrive in both salt and fresh water and can travel far up rivers. They have been known to travel up the Mississippi River as far as Illinois,[2] although few freshwater human-shark interactions have been recorded.
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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
#24425363 - 06/21/17 10:16 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bullshark is the only shark capable of surviving in fresh water for any prolonged period of time. Worldwide anyway. Ocean sharks generally do not make themselves into river sharks. But there is a handful of freshwater shark species in Asia and Australia. They are all reclusive and most are extremely endangered. Up until relatively recently in history one species was believed to be extinct.
More can tolerate brackish waters, but it is rare they will swim past a river delta.
If I'm not mistaken great whites have never been recorded mating anywhere, their mating and spawning behavior is relatively undocumented.
Besides that, they are largely a cold water shark. They favor the Pacific and are highly unlikely to go up into the gulf. They are showing up in there and in the Atlantic more frequently as melting ice caps is lowering the water temperature and food shortages is forcing them to migrate more but it is still extremely rare. It's not totally impossible for a dying or very sick great white to accidentally swim up into the Mississippi but the odds are incredibly small. And even smaller that it would also be found. I don't say many things are impossible but I feel confident in saying a great white being that far up the Mississippi river is impossible.
There is a tiny touch of truth in the story though. If I remember correctly the farthest inland any bullshark has ever been found in fresh water is just outside of Illinois.
If you're curious: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_bullsharks_2.html
Also if you're curious you can look up Glyphis river sharks. They are beautiful creatures. Ganges river shark is the largest I think. Unlike the others that tend to max out at 2-3 ft.
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White sharks are adapted to cold water, but are by no means restricted to cold water by anything but the need for large amounts of calories. Cold water holds more oxygen, and is much more bioproductive than warm water. Its the same reason whales tend to feed in cold water.
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#24426525 - 06/22/17 12:10 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you are right. 
I can always count on you to let me know when I'm spewing bullshit about the nature of earth.
If we knew eachother in person we'd probably have some kind of nerdy hand shake/fist bump.
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I've done some bay fishing in a boat. Shore and pier fishing more often.
And more often than not I'm bored as fuck. Ocean is so vast and there is so much less fish in there than there once was. Rivers and ponds tend to be much more profitable.
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CookieCrumbs said: So you are right. 
I can always count on you to let me know when I'm spewing bullshit about the nature of earth.
If we knew eachother in person we'd probably have some kind of nerdy hand shake/fist bump.

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CookieCrumbs said: I've done some bay fishing in a boat. Shore and pier fishing more often.
And more often than not I'm bored as fuck. Ocean is so vast and there is so much less fish in there than there once was. Rivers and ponds tend to be much more profitable.
you're in the south somewhere, right? do you have redfish where you're at? those fuckers look like fun. they bite in shallow water, and they look like they put up a good fight. here's a pic of a random old lady with a nice one.
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Re: Surf & offshore fishing [Re: ballsalsa]
#24426763 - 06/22/17 02:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lol.
No I live a bit too far north to get redfish. I have fished in redfish waters but never caught them. Like I said, most my ocean fishing has not been awfully profitable.
We do get red rockfish up here though. They aren't often real big, but they can be, and are better eating than most of what I've caught.
Been thinking about heading over to one of the rivers that let out into the Chesapeake here soon to help them with their blue catfish problem. I generally stopped fishing because I feel bad for the fish. Even for catch and release cuz I tend to accidentally murder the little ones trying to get the hook out. But there is no reason to worry about a fish and its health if it's an invasive species that is destroying an ecosystem.
Fried catfish is yummy too
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