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Glazing old windows
    #23853535 - 11/21/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's an acquired skill, one that I have had to learn based on mostly necessity.  Removing just enough old glazing to redo the window is a skill in and of itself.  The challenge is to do it without breaking the old glass.  Replacing glass is a drag.  Skill with a putty knife in scraping off the old means avoiding breakage.  Stay away from the inside edge where there may be old glazing points.  That's where a break can easily occur if you dig around there.  Shoving into the wood can really screw things up along the top edge between frame and glazing.  Wood is key and when in doubt don't press the issue but if you can wedge your putty knife just in that crack between wood and old glazing and give it a twist often the old glazing comes off in chunks.

Once it's all clean and as much old glazing has been removed you can add #7 glazing points to hold in the glass because likely it's loose and that ain't good.  Only downside to the #7 points is they stick out along the glass so you need to add back a bigger glaze which may not be desirable. 

There's a reason you see glazers rolling the shit in their hands, although gloves might not let that Dap #33 dry out their hands that stuff is a bit nasty.  It's to get it warm enough to shove in there and be able to putty up that edge.  I like to take my knife perpendicular first to really shove the glazing in there. After that a putty knife skill of cutting the edge becomes easier.  You can use a little windex or linseed oil on your knife if it makes it slide better for you.  Otherwise the tendency is to pull the glazing as it sticks to your knife.  Stiff knife is better and a gentle but firm stroke.  After you can smooth it with your finger if you have a good touch with your finger.

Let it sit at room temp for about 2 weeks minimum prime with oil primer then top coat with your choice of finish paint.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23854373 - 11/21/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

why not 'replacement windows' for the added attraction of the consumer you perform for?

here we have them cheap from places where one signs a form telling them you're a good christian.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #23859773 - 11/23/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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why not 'replacement windows' for the added attraction of the consumer you perform for?

here we have them cheap from places where one signs a form telling them you're a good christian.




Because plastic windows suck, other than energy efficiency.  They don't slide worth a shit and look crappy and get funky colored over time.  The seal can fail and then you have to replace the dual pane panel. 

But yeah, if you replace "old" windows with new, often you can get an electric company rebate such as the one I'm waiting for on another house.  There are old windows such as the aluminum frame single pane ones that need to go, and vinyl is a cost effective alternative.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24015681 - 01/16/17 07:40 PM (7 years, 12 days ago)

I tried my hand at glazing a cpl years ago.  It took a long time to get it the way I wanted it but was happy in the end.  I found having a good array of tools to help 'tool' the glaze really helped me.  I know exactly what you're saying aboot those pts too.  The ones I put in new were larger so I had to add more glaze early on


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: blood4blood]
    #24016624 - 01/17/17 06:52 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

What does the glaze do?


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24016789 - 01/17/17 08:48 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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What does the glaze do?




The glazing points hold the window glass against the frame.  Then the glaze seals against both the glass and the frame at a 45 deg angle.  The glaze hardens in a couple weeks to allow painting first with oil based primer and then with your choice of paint.  Applied properly the glaze seals and allows water to run off the window.  It is flexible enough to expand and contract.  Eventually it hardens too much especially if not properly primed and painted.  Often water gets between the top vertical edge at exposed glass and the sun is hitting there so that's where you see it fail first.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: blood4blood]
    #24016815 - 01/17/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

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I tried my hand at glazing a cpl years ago.  It took a long time to get it the way I wanted it but was happy in the end.  I found having a good array of tools to help 'tool' the glaze really helped me.  I know exactly what you're saying aboot those pts too.  The ones I put in new were larger so I had to add more glaze early on




Yeah it's a learning curve. 

So, the windows are in, they look fantastic along with the rest of the structure.  It came out great.  A 10x12 structure with steep roof and high concrete foundation.  We transitioned a metal roof into a less pitched roof over side x side covered areas with shingles that had been laying around.  The whole concept is dark brown vs. off white.  Reused other windows, bought two new single hung verticals, reused an old door that really came out nice.  It's solid wood type with glass top, very cool.  Ready for concrete floor, it's all dug to depth for a 4" slab.  Will be putting in a loft with an attic ladder and a railing.  Will be adding a wood stove that I have to keep that place super toasty.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24016834 - 01/17/17 09:15 AM (7 years, 12 days ago)

Interesting.

Good to know.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24121609 - 02/26/17 03:20 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I've glazed nearly 1000 windows probably. Worked at a hardware store for years probably four times that many screens and windows.

Use a heat gun to soften the old glaze sometimes you can get each side off as 1-3 big pieces.
There's  a special glazing knife it's ok, get a good putty knife that works for you. I used a 1inch wide and stiff.

There's a special tool to soften glaze too looks like a toaster oven element attached to a handle.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24122818 - 02/27/17 06:43 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for your input.  I never knew about the heating aspect.  Will have to try that one if needing to remove more glaze. I think my glazing days may be over, but one never knows.


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Re: Glazing old windows [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24123036 - 02/27/17 09:14 AM (6 years, 10 months ago)

Really helps if you're trying to save the glass but if you over do it the glazing points will shatter the glass sometimes


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