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Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars
    #24110880 - 02/22/17 12:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys, first grow here! I currently have 5 wbs jars (B+) consolidating and have 1 that is at like 50% I shook it for the second time which I guess is not good.

I have a 66 qt mono ready to roll. I was gonna do the  damiens50/50 coir with "one flush wonder"...maybe try to pull two flushes.

With 6 jars that would have put me slightly ahead of 1:4 ratio but now with this last jar lagging I was just going to spawn 5 qts to bulk BUT I dont want to do a 1:4 ratio due to time and contam rates. What should I do with these guys now? Use less bulk sub in the 66 qt? But my holes are already drilled four 4 in sub depth. Can someone shoot me some dimensions on a smaller mono that I could just use damiens50/50 but cut it in half to use 5 qts at 1:1 ratio. If the other jar recovers I will G2G 10 jars to do 1:1 with the 66qt or just inoc with needle if it doesnt recover.

My thinking was to get a mono that is roughly half of a 66 qt but didnt know if height would be an issue or not. Any help or links would be appreciated.

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake]
    #24111269 - 02/22/17 03:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Or could I just use the same 66 qt still but just cut new holes above the new substrate depth of 2" or would that bring minuscule results?

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake]
    #24111291 - 02/22/17 03:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: amidogen]
    #24111375 - 02/22/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm I was under the impression that substrate depth played a major role in fruit size as opposed to surface area. So I thought a smaller mono would be better for a smaller amount of sub...

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake]
    #24111605 - 02/22/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hmmm I was under the impression that substrate depth played a major role in fruit size as opposed to surface area. So I thought a smaller mono would be better for a smaller amount of sub...



Youre overthinking this man. I spawn 7 quarts of spawn to 1 brick and 2 quarts of verm so about 10 to 12 quarts of sub. I use a 72qt. tub too. You'll be just fine with 5 or 6 quarts of spawn. You shouldn't have a contam from not enough spawn. Even if you used 1 quart spawn and 10 quarts sub, you should never get a contam from properly pasteurized sub and sterilized grains. The bucket tek isnt an efficient way of doing sub, i tried it and its hit or miss so now i always properly pasteurize. youll get fruits different sizes dependent on genetics and moisture content. If you use 12 inches of sub, it doesent mean youre going to get 3 foot fruits lol


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake] * 1
    #24111643 - 02/22/17 06:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hmmm I was under the impression that substrate depth played a major role in fruit size as opposed to surface area. So I thought a smaller mono would be better for a smaller amount of sub...



I only run 2" sub depths, has nothing to do with fruit size or amount of flushes. You can still pull 3-4 flushes easily from a 2" sub.

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #24111648 - 02/22/17 06:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Well that settles that! Thanks a lot guys

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake]
    #24111656 - 02/22/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Kalsticky]
    #24111667 - 02/22/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Haha I wish. No I didnt think that you could infinitly use more sub and get bigger fruit but I figured since the most suggested depth was 3.5 to 4 at least the teks ive seen. So I figured a 2 incher wouldnt perform as well.

Also I was planning on using the bucket.....that would have been soooo easy.

Even if I just go for one flush could I get away with the bucket? Or am I just being lazy? I was planning on PC'ing tomorrow but for grain. Id have to go get more jars but I guess thats inevitable.

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake]
    #24111741 - 02/22/17 06:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I just spawned 5 quarts to 1 brick of coir in a 27qt tub.

Sub is like... 5 inches thick but hell it'll be ok.


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Jakedasnake]
    #24112573 - 02/23/17 03:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Jakedasnake said:
Haha I wish. No I didnt think that you could infinitly use more sub and get bigger fruit but I figured since the most suggested depth was 3.5 to 4 at least the teks ive seen. So I figured a 2 incher wouldnt perform as well.

Also I was planning on using the bucket.....that would have been soooo easy.

Even if I just go for one flush could I get away with the bucket? Or am I just being lazy? I was planning on PC'ing tomorrow but for grain. Id have to go get more jars but I guess thats inevitable.



You can use the bucket, but no promises if itll contam or not. Its hit or miss. Check out franks proper pasteurization HERE


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Kalsticky]
    #24112663 - 02/23/17 05:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24112685 - 02/23/17 05:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I just spawned 5 quarts to 1 brick of coir in a 27qt tub.

Sub is like... 5 inches thick but hell it'll be ok.





I use the same size tubs and use half a brick of coir.  Better results and less waste imo.  Was also using 5 qts each, gonna drop that down to 3





2 inch sub


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: amidogen]
    #24114115 - 02/23/17 05:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Jakedasnake said:
Haha I wish. No I didnt think that you could infinitly use more sub and get bigger fruit but I figured since the most suggested depth was 3.5 to 4 at least the teks ive seen. So I figured a 2 incher wouldnt perform as well.

Also I was planning on using the bucket.....that would have been soooo easy.

Even if I just go for one flush could I get away with the bucket? Or am I just being lazy? I was planning on PC'ing tomorrow but for grain. Id have to go get more jars but I guess thats inevitable.



You can use the bucket, but no promises if itll contam or not. Its hit or miss. Check out franks proper pasteurization HERE



If you're just bucketing coir, then your tub getting trich before the first flush is entirely from bad spawn. You'll find TC's and other very respected cultivators on here all day long who bucket up a brick of coir, use some, leave the rest to sit until they need it, then use it again. It's incredibly hard for mold to germinate on coir, and there's no bacteria in coir to try to balance for it to benefit from true pasteurization.

TL;DR - the bucket tek is all you need for coir. Everything else you could do to it is extra. If your tub that you spawned to coir goes bad before the first flush, it's from your spawn not being clean.



Nothing beats true pasteurization dude, once you start pasteurizing your sub, you can isolate certain problems with your techniques that you couldnt normally do. If you just use the bucket then get a contam, everyone wants to say oh yeah its just bad spawn bc im just that smart when in reality you have no idea wat caused the contam. You can guess all day and make assumptions but TRUE pasteurized sub will help you cross out the sub from reasons why you got a contam. Ive used the bucket just like it said and its hit or miss. Why use the bucket and risk a failed op to its inconsisentsy then to take the extra step and properly pasteurize? If youre just a tool who wants a handful of mushrooms so you can impress your friends, sure go for the bucket. But if you want consistent flushes, properly pasteurize. Take it easy everyone


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Kalsticky] * 1
    #24114128 - 02/23/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No need to properly pasteurize cvg, I bucket tek all my subs :shrug: I don't even wrap the buckets for insulation, just pour boiling water into the bucket, cap it and let it sit a few hours, mix it up and tub it...

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #24114144 - 02/23/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Kenetic]
    #24114147 - 02/23/17 06:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Is that THE pe, kenetic? Sick tub. I should've spawned this KSSS run into two tubs :/


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Moabfighter]
    #24114158 - 02/23/17 06:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you have one of those clones


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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Kalsticky]
    #24114188 - 02/23/17 06:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Smaller mono? Only 5 hopefully 6 qt jars [Re: Kalsticky]
    #24114218 - 02/23/17 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man. I will be pausterizing. I like the idea of knowing where my technique needs improvement if there are contams.

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