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    #24102510 - 02/19/17 11:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

California is tired of paying everyone's bills and supplying all of their food while simultaneously being shit upon and threatened with Federal Funding cuts.  Who could blame them?

The ultimate goal is to pass a few bills laying the legal groundwork within the state, followed by a U.S. Constitutional amendment to let us go (or kick us out, however you wanna look at it).

Yes California!
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In our view, the United States of America represents so many things that conflict with Californian values, and our continued statehood means California will continue subsidizing the other states to our own detriment, and to the detriment of our children.

Although charity is part of our culture, when you consider that California’s infrastructure is falling apart, our public schools are ranked among the worst in the entire country, we have the highest number of homeless persons living without shelter and other basic necessities, poverty rates remain high, income inequality continues to expand, and we must often borrow money from the future to provide services for today, now is not the time for charity.

However, this independence referendum is about more than California subsidizing other states of this country. It is about the right to self-determination and the concept of voluntary association, both of which are supported by constitutional and international law.

It is about California taking its place in the world, standing as an equal among nations. We believe in two fundamental truths: (1) California exerts a positive influence on the rest of the world, and (2) California could do more good as an independent country than it is able to do as just a U.S. state.

THE CASE FOR INDEPENDENCE IN 9 SIMPLE POINTS
Being a U.S. state is no longer serving California’s best interests. On issues ranging from peace and security to natural resources and the environment, it has become increasingly true that California would be better off as an independent country. Here’s a summary of why we think so.

1. PEACE AND SECURITY
The U.S. Government spends more on its military than the next several countries combined. Not only is California forced to subsidize this massive military budget with our taxes, but Californians are sent off to fight in wars that often do more to perpetuate terrorism than to abate it. The only reason terrorists might want to attack us is because we are part of the United States and are guilty by association. Not being a part of that country will make California a less likely target of retaliation by its enemies.

2. ELECTIONS AND GOVERNMENT
California’s electoral votes haven’t affected a presidential election since 1876. On top of that, presidential election results are often known before our votes are even counted. So, why should we keep subjecting ourselves to presidents we play no role in electing, to 382 representatives and 98 senators we can’t vote for, and all the government officials and federal judges appointed by those very same people we don’t elect.

3. TRADE AND REGULATION
The U.S. Government maintains a burdensome trade system that hurts California’s economy by making trade more difficult and more expensive for California’s businesses. As long as California remains within this burdensome trade system, we will never be able to capitalize on the trade and investment opportunities that would be available to us as an independent country.

4. DEBT AND TAXES
Since 1987, California has been subsidizing the other states at a loss of tens and sometimes hundreds of billions of dollars in a single fiscal year. As a result, we are often forced to raise taxes and charge fees in California, and borrow money from the future to make up the difference. This is partly why California presently has some of the highest taxes in the country, and so much debt. Independence means that all of our taxes will be kept in California based on the priorities we set, and we will be able to do so while repaying our debts and phasing out the current state income tax.

5. IMMIGRATION
California is the most diverse state in the United States and that is something we are proud of. This diversity is a central part of our culture and an indispensable part of our economy. As a U.S. state, our immigration system was largely designed by the 49 other states thirty years ago. This immigration system has since neglected the needs of the California economy and has hurt too many California families. Independence means California will be able to decide what immigration policies make sense for our diverse and unique population, culture, and economy, and that we’ll be able to build an immigration system that is consistent with our values.

6. NATURAL RESOURCES
Certain minerals and other natural resources like coal, oil, and natural gas are being extracted from California at below market value rates by private corporations with the permission of the U.S. Government. While a small portion of the revenue is shared with us, our share has been withheld during times of sequestration. That means the U.S. Government is paying their debts with royalties collected from selling off California’s natural resources. Independence means we will gain control of the 46% of California that is currently owned by the U.S. Government and its agencies. We will therefore take control of our natural resources and be the sole beneficiary of royalties collected if and when they are extracted from our lands.

7. THE ENVIRONMENT
California is a global leader on environmental issues. However, as long as the other states continue debating whether or not climate change is real, they will continue holding up real efforts to reduce carbon emissions. The truth is this country accounts for less than five percent of the world’s population yet consumes one-third of the world’s paper, a quarter of the world’s oil, 27 percent of the aluminum, 23 percent of the coal, and 19 percent of the copper. Independence means California will be able to negotiate treaties to not only reduce the human impact on our climate but also to help build global resource sustainability.

8. HEALTH AND MEDICINE
The Affordable Care Act was enacted by the U.S. Government to lower the cost of health care and expand health insurance coverage to the uninsured, yet millions of Californians still lack access to quality health care because they can’t afford it. For many, access to hospitals and medicine is a life or death issue. Independence means we can fund the health care programs we want and ensure everyone has access to the medicines they need because our taxes will no longer be subsidizing other states. Finally, California can join the rest of the industrialized world in guaranteeing health care as a universal right for all of our people.

9. EDUCATION
California has some of the best universities but in various ways, our schools are among the worst in the country. Not only does this deprive our children of the education they deserve, but it also costs taxpayers billions in social services and law enforcement expenses linked to lacking opportunities resulting from poor education. Independence means we will be able to fully fund public education, rebuild and modernize public schools, and pay public school teachers the salaries they deserve. On top of that, independence means freedom from federal education policies and one-size-fits-all standards set by political appointees on the other side of the continent.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa] * 3
    #24102515 - 02/19/17 11:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

California plz. You aint goin nowhere.


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Re: Yes California [Re: g00ru]
    #24102517 - 02/19/17 11:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We will let you go...as soon as you pay for a wall between your border and ours.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 4
    #24102529 - 02/19/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like a good idea to me.  We have too many foreigners around here anyway.  Everytime I'm stuck in traffic i look at all the Texas, Arizona, Oregon, etc. license plates and think to myself "why won't these damn foreigners go home and stop clogging up the damn freeway for us civilized folk.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24102548 - 02/19/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah.  You can have fun dealing with your own terrorism problems with all the unchecked refugees you would let flood your shore.

Do you think you'd come crawling back before or after the Californian president implemented Sharia Law?

It would probably only take 20 years.  In the meantime it would be a bunch of gunless hedonists being raped and murdered in the streets.

Remember.  Your chief export is Hollywood.  And Hollywood is a shit show.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102562 - 02/19/17 12:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Cali exports a lot of weed too.  Lot's of produce as well, nut's and such.

There are some major US Military bases in Cali.  Navy is big in Cali so I don't see the feds giving up keeping Cali.


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    #24102569 - 02/19/17 12:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah...plus there's no way in Hell California could govern itself.

Just look at them.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #24102575 - 02/19/17 12:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

US owns 46% of the land, we keep that, they can have the desert.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24102576 - 02/19/17 12:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We grow most of the fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts, etc. for the U.S. market.  Its actually almost crazy.
California has something like 10 or 15 times the peach production of Georgia, for instance.  The only state that can even hold our jock agriculturally is Florida.

Its not a matter of getting the feds to let us go, its a matter of getting the California haters to vote to toss us in the briar patch.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24102585 - 02/19/17 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You almost had a full sentence there.

What about the brier patch?

Califronia haters?

What?

What are you going to do with all that produce when the US puts a 35% tariff on it?

It would probably be good for the rest of us.  High prices would force more locally sourced farming, create a lot of jobs.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102591 - 02/19/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

How about California does more to change the assholes back east?


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Re: Yes California [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102594 - 02/19/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What are you going to do with all that produce when the US puts a 35% tariff on it?





place a 35% duty on all goods that come through the California ports.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24102601 - 02/19/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ya it's already a shit storm discussion with the details.  Feds aren't going to let it happen.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24102610 - 02/19/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

all it takes is the for the voters to demand it on both sides.  the civilized voters because they want off the sinking ship, and the backwards voters because they think that California is the ballast that is sinking the ship.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Yes California [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 1
    #24102624 - 02/19/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hell, the PNW will probably wanna come with us.  Your iphones are gonna have to travel twice as far to get to you, and thats if Texas doesn't follow our lead.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24102628 - 02/19/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

There is no way the govt will give up the coast.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24102664 - 02/19/17 01:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

people keep saying things like that, but it's up to the will of the voters.


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Re: Yes California [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24102670 - 02/19/17 01:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We will start bombing CA.


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Re: Yes California [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24102674 - 02/19/17 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you will have an earthquake and and fall into the sea.


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