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 Zero Nowhere
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 Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook  [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
#25385872 - 08/13/18 02:37 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Like I posted earlier... I loaded really wet. Grains were wet after pc. But then next day they were dry. They must absorb water while they're cooling, or something. I've seen it 2 batches in a row now.
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 pixelpopper
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#25385876 - 08/13/18 02:41 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zero, do you give them a post-PC shake? It helps to redistribute the water back into the grains evenly
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Jersey_Devil
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: pixelpopper]
#25466409 - 09/17/18 05:53 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree a good shake after the PC helps with water distribution.
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towndaze
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#25986760 - 05/11/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Curious if that ever happened.
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mushboy 
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: towndaze]
#25986767 - 05/11/19 08:10 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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what ever happened?
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towndaze
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#25986770 - 05/11/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushboy said:
what ever happened?
WBS Agar.
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verum subsequentis
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: towndaze]
#25986785 - 05/11/19 08:19 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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you mean the grain soak water as the nutrient source in the agar? It's been done, A LOT
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mushboy
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: towndaze]
#25986832 - 05/11/19 08:49 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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i still prefer brf agar
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verum subsequentis
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy] 1
#25987048 - 05/11/19 11:02 PM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really? I use malt extract exclusively.
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vertygo
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Zero Nowhere]
#26143020 - 08/19/19 02:45 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Zero Nowhere said:
Like I posted earlier... I loaded really wet. Grains were wet after pc. But then next day they were dry. They must absorb water while they're cooling, or something. I've seen it 2 batches in a row now.
Has anyone tried oats using this method ? I'm hating the boiling thing right now.
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mushboy
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: vertygo]
#26143046 - 08/19/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya. Soaked oats work fine just dry them thoroughly. I'd bring the soak water up to a boil and steam dry them.
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vertygo
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#26144342 - 08/20/19 10:22 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great, I've got a bucket soaking right now, it'll be a 48 hour soak just because of circumstances. Will work out really well cause my pot can hold the same amount as the bucket lol.
Sometimes I wonder if I should put them in a salad spinner to dry faster.. but I'm lazy.
I would leave them out drying over night but I'm worried about vermin thinking it's a buffet.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: vertygo]
#26144417 - 08/20/19 11:08 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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they will if they are around . my mice love my grain prep days.
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Failboat
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So I have milo soaking that I started last night around maybe 10PM. It hasn't swollen much, but I think I might try straining some now and loading wet like you explain for this WBS tek and see how that works out. Start with just 16pints as a test.
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Failboat]
#26144484 - 08/20/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wbs doesn't expand much with a 23 hour soak, in my experience. It does swell in the pc a bit though.
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mushboy
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Quote:
verum subsequentis said:
23 hour soak
the water all soaks up in the last hour thats why its 24hr soak
i kid i kid. 100% correct they swell during the cycle
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: mushboy]
#26144499 - 08/20/19 11:47 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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oops. typo. I kind of want to do a test in a clear container and see how long you'd have to soak at what temperature to achieve roughly 50% expansion with wbs. Or if it just won't happen. I know mine doesn't swell too much when soaking or cooking.
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vertygo
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I'm wondering if there's a way we could put the top of a dehydrator and low temp on a bucket of (drained) grains and have the drying process really speed up ? obviously there'd be an issue with depth of grains and the air not penetrating. But if it was either stirred by hand or mechanically, maybe in like 30 minutes or less they'd be good to go for loading and pc'ing ? The steam thing is ok, but creating that damp atmosphere can't be good for some people's setups / homes (like mine, lol)
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: vertygo]
#26144627 - 08/20/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where do you think the moisture is going to go using a dehydrator?
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Re: Making birdseed - 24hour soak no cook [Re: Failboat]
#26144747 - 08/20/19 02:03 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess it's a nit picky thing, but I was thinking dense steam rising to the same spot vs cold wet grains being dried and the air being more.. distributed ? I guess its the same volume, just a personal preference. Plus it could be setup anywhere or vented out a window maybe. This is assuming you are doing bulk amounts, like 3 PCs full every few days.
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