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Offlinenothing exists
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homosexuality is mental illness * 7
    #24099621 - 02/18/17 07:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

1 sexual equipment is for reproduction
2 sex feels good to set the right emotional vibration for a healthy baby
3 sex for pleasure is obsession
4 self identification through the sex organ is mental illness


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 8
    #24099625 - 02/18/17 07:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:rofldrunk:

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #24099629 - 02/18/17 07:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Where do I buy the pill against it?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 3
    #24099650 - 02/18/17 07:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its not homosexual if the dude is dressed like a girl and has a feminine smelling penis...


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists]
    #24099653 - 02/18/17 07:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think back in the day psychologists classified homosexuality as a mental illness. Don't quote me on that but it was in that book dsmv something or other. Long story short though, it ain't in the updated versions.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 11
    #24099661 - 02/18/17 08:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nothing exists said:
1 sexual equipment is for reproduction
2 sex feels good to set the right emotional vibration for a healthy baby
3 sex for pleasure is obsession
4 self identification through the sex organ is mental illness





Hands are made for peeling bananas, picking fruit and make tools by chipping flint together.
Go do that instead of abusing your hands with typing these posts.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante] * 3
    #24099663 - 02/18/17 08:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This has got to be a troll thread.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #24099667 - 02/18/17 08:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Actually I don't think so. I posted the 9 minute move Check Mate yesterday that had homosexuality in the storyline and he seemed disturbed by it.

Maybe he has something to tell us.



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 5
    #24099671 - 02/18/17 08:16 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're absolutely right OP, I'm not blowin' loads I'm shooting good vibes right up her pussy.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #24099674 - 02/18/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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XLCaps said:
You're absolutely right OP, I'm not blowin' loads I'm shooting good vibes right up her pussy.



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24099677 - 02/18/17 08:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 2
    #24099684 - 02/18/17 08:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Worrying about other peoples sexual attractions is a mental illness.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #24099687 - 02/18/17 08:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Somebody needs to get these mother fucking homosexuals off this motherfucking plane!

This thread is about posting stupid shit right?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 1
    #24099688 - 02/18/17 08:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nothing exists said:

4 self identification through the sex organ is mental illness




So you believing your are male because you have a penis is a mental illness?
Strange. I feel like most people here would disagree with you.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24099689 - 02/18/17 08:28 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists]
    #24099693 - 02/18/17 08:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nothing exists said:
1 sexual equipment is for reproduction
2 sex feels good to set the right emotional vibration for a healthy baby
3 sex for pleasure is obsession
4 self identification through the sex organ is mental illness





How does it make you feel nothing_exists that it is a mental illness? Are there moral dimensions to it, do you empathize or does it repel you?

How does it affect you that it exists?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante] * 4
    #24099703 - 02/18/17 08:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Chill out everyone. He said it's a mental illness, not that it should be shamed/it's wrong. Obviously most people are born that way and it's not like it's in their control. This does not mean it's not a mental illness though, because it is. It's simple stating that it is not a normal part of our psychi and evolution. Which is undeniable. It's literally just not how we work... Why do you all get so defensive as if he's attacking people?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: camerinkw]
    #24099705 - 02/18/17 08:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Such as crazy horse. People like this automatically attack opposing viewd and twist words and meanings which leads to a defensive hostile presence. Because you're too weak minded to accept the fact the op isn't "worrying". Same as the person who tried claiming the whole hand analogy, which is a terrible and unrelateable analogy. It's not analogous.. Lmao.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: camerinkw]
    #24099709 - 02/18/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Illness is kind of a bad one to use lol. Maybe disorder, or abnormality.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24099715 - 02/18/17 08:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly ^ just disorder when comparing to normal human psychi. It shouldn't have the negative connotation of illness.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: camerinkw]
    #24099718 - 02/18/17 08:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

camerinkw said:
Such as crazy horse. People like this automatically attack opposing viewd and twist words and meanings which leads to a defensive hostile presence. Because you're too weak minded to accept the fact the op isn't "worrying". Same as the person who tried claiming the whole hand analogy, which is a terrible and unrelateable analogy. It's not analogous.. Lmao.




I think posting on a forum about it constitutes thinking about it too much. Whatever he is into ain't my business. One of my friends is a homosexual. In fact I have been texting with her this morning.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #24099722 - 02/18/17 08:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Half of the stuff in this forum is what you say, not just this post. Also, what does she have to do with anything?? LOL.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: camerinkw]
    #24099732 - 02/18/17 08:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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camerinkw said:
Chill out everyone. He said it's a mental illness, not that it should be shamed/it's wrong. Obviously most people are born that way and it's not like it's in their control. This does not mean it's not a mental illness though, because it is. It's simple stating that it is not a normal part of our psychi and evolution. Which is undeniable. It's literally just not how we work... Why do you all get so defensive as if he's attacking people?




I don't see anyone attacking him.
Just his reasoning. Or at least his explanation of his reasoning.



And even this is in a pretty mild way. :ohwell:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: camerinkw]
    #24099735 - 02/18/17 08:57 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It shows how open minded I am.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: camerinkw]
    #24099738 - 02/18/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

camerinkw said:
Half of the stuff in this forum is what you say, not just this post.




Do you speak english, motherfucker?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 2
    #24099739 - 02/18/17 08:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

no one gives a shit that youre friends with a dyke, it has nothing to do with the topic


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24099754 - 02/18/17 09:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I dont understand how anyone could enjoy getting a dick in the ass. Call me closeminded but ill just never get it.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #24099759 - 02/18/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Near Dylan said:
no one gives a shit that youre friends with a dyke, it has nothing to do with the topic




I didn't know you were in charge of what every one cares about. :sorry:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists]
    #24099763 - 02/18/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nothing exists said:
4 self identification through the sex organ is mental illness





so if someone has a penis and identifies as a heterosexual male then that person has a mental illness

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 1
    #24099765 - 02/18/17 09:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I dont understand how anyone could enjoy getting a dick in the ass. Call me closeminded but ill just never get it.






if you dont enjoy it then why do you do it?








































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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24099766 - 02/18/17 09:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I dont understand how anyone could enjoy getting a dick in the ass. Call me closeminded but ill just never get it.






if you dont enjoy it then why do you do it?








































:smilingpuppy:





Uncalled for. You passed this line ____


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All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24099772 - 02/18/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think to classify homosexuality as an illness or disorder, you have to believe that the sole purpose of life is to spread your genes (via sexual intercourse and offspring).

As man kind ages we develop new technologies and ways to alter our physiology. Sexual preferences become irrelevant when there are other ways than intercourse to conceive.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24099775 - 02/18/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sperm banks havent been around that long dude it took us thousands of years of cooking food to evolve out of the need for an appendix, I dont think we're already at the "everyone can be gay because reproduction is so yesterday" point in evolution


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #24099778 - 02/18/17 09:15 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mush 4 Brains said:
I think to classify homosexuality as an illness or disorder, you have to believe that the sole purpose of life is to spread your genes (via sexual intercourse and offspring).







Thats science for you.


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24099825 - 02/18/17 09:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Homosexuality and so called "third gender" has been around for literally thousands of years.

How can you say that something that people have been doing since the dawn of man kind is
not normal human behavior? Animals butt fuck other animals for dominance reasons, do these
animals have a mental disorder too?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #24099830 - 02/18/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Crazy horse: "I'm open minded because I have a friend that's not straight. " that's almost as bad as people trying to say they're not racist because they have a black friend. It doesn't make you open minded to have a friend and tell us about it. Also I do speak english. I currently am. I said half of the posts are the former of what you said.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: natedawgnow]
    #24099835 - 02/18/17 09:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you're talking about something like mental illness, comparing humans to animals doesn't make sense. Psychology is a human study, so your comparison is apples to oranges(fuck I hate that saying). If you're looking at humans, you are analyzing the root of the behaviour, and homosexuality in the terms you put them leads to all kinds of speculation.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #24099858 - 02/18/17 09:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Dude we haven't always been as advanced as we are now. We started out just like every other
animal on this planet: primitive and acting on instinct instead of logic and reason.

My point is simply that homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time in the animal
world (I say animal world because we are still animals no matter how advanced) and is not a creation of recent times.

Butt fucking for dominance was a joke, but even still, not all animals do it for dominance,
I have a rabbit that will try to have sex with anything that moves, male female living or
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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #24099868 - 02/18/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't call homosexuality a mental illness or disorder, you could classify it more as a potential biological disadvantage concerning reproduction.

Homosexuals are still known to have children. Also some women don't have sex due to arousal for a man/desire for sex, they do so strictly because they want a child.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 4
    #24099939 - 02/18/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I dont understand how anyone could enjoy getting a dick in the ass. Call me closeminded but ill just never get it.



Not with that attitude you won't!:grin:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists]
    #24099942 - 02/18/17 10:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Do you mind female on female sex?
Read more about it since it seems to interest you. Do more research. I wrote a paper on it if you're interested.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 1
    #24099948 - 02/18/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Having a problem with what someone else does for harmless fun clearly involve's some kind of mental illness.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Love_spirit]
    #24099956 - 02/18/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Love_spirit said:
Having a problem withwhat someone else does for harmless fun clearly involve's some kind of mental illness.



The edited part is irrelevant. The rest is a straw man argument that really doesn't account for what psychology is.

I'm just saying.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24099962 - 02/18/17 10:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Uncalled for. You passed this line ____





I typically set the bar higher _______

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24099975 - 02/18/17 10:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I dont understand how anyone could enjoy getting a dick in the ass. Call me closeminded but ill just never get it.



Not with that attitude you won't!:grin:







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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante]
    #24099992 - 02/18/17 11:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Its a fallacy to label everything an illness.

Heterosexuality could be called Procreative Personality Disorder.

Exhibit A:



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 3
    #24100082 - 02/18/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm a hard liner when it comes to relativism and mental illness falls in that category.  Mental illness can only exist under a culture or society and is defined by that culture or society.  Mental illness is present when a member displays characteristics outside of defined norms and bounds, usually in a manner that disrupts the society's norms and bounds.  A psychotic may be categorized as mentally ill to a modern american, but in ancient greece could be elevated to a priestly status and granted access to the vapors.

So the question is not whether being gay is being mentally ill.  That label is meaningless without a culture to cast it against.  The question then becomes, in such-and-such society is being gay a mentally illness?  Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  The other natural question is, do we decide to label being gay as mentally ill in our society?  Its our choice and the answer is, and should be, no.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #24100149 - 02/18/17 12:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Our brains are made to be attracted to the opposite sex, cause we gotta reproduce. That's every living thing's "natural purpose". If you are born not being attracted to the opposite sex, and only the same sex, it's abnormal. It's not "meant" to be that way, naturally.

Unless, and bear with me here, gay people are here to prevent overpopulation. Like, it's natures way of of keeping the world in check.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24100156 - 02/18/17 12:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

An anomaly of nature, but not an illness.:grin:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24100159 - 02/18/17 12:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I said that earlier.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan] * 4
    #24100162 - 02/18/17 12:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I like that you put "meant" in quotes.  Even that is more than the concept deserves.  There is no "meant to be".  There simply is what is.  When you project meaning and purpose onto bare nature you necessarily cloud the waters with pre-conceived notions.  Let nature tell you how it is.  You (and I) are in no place whatsoever to tell nature how it is "supposed" or "meant" to be, we are in no place to project purpose onto nature.  We do so only to our own detriment.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: DieCommie]
    #24100441 - 02/18/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Being a living life has needs.  Bodies are programmed to torture the operator of the body.

Don't be controlling as it's not helping anybody most of the time.  For so long people have desired the unobtainable myth of what heaven they feel is like.  Earth is not heaven and man won't bring that level of reality into the cosmos.

We are animals.  Animals exhibit every sort of behavior nature has offered.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: DieCommie]
    #24100495 - 02/18/17 03:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I like that you put "meant" in quotes.  Even that is more than the concept deserves.  There is no "meant to be".  There simply is what is.  When you project meaning and purpose onto bare nature you necessarily cloud the waters with pre-conceived notions.  Let nature tell you how it is.  You (and I) are in no place whatsoever to tell nature how it is "supposed" or "meant" to be, we are in no place to project purpose onto nature.  We do so only to our own detriment.



I put it in quotes because I wasn't trying to imply that there is anything wrong with being gay. Just that there is a "natural" human. The thing nature attempts to create. Sometimes shit happens and it comes out different then "nature's intention"


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan] * 2
    #24100498 - 02/18/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Then you missed the point completely.  Nature doesn't attempt anything.

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    #24100499 - 02/18/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't buy that part of the reincarnation story.

First unless they go to space they took nothing from the earth.  It all goes back.

Second, the Earth does not collect debts it's not an intelligent being.  Yes the Earth has spawned intelligence, but the Earth doesn't think or reason to ask why.


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    #24100500 - 02/18/17 03:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Nature doesn't attempt anything.




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    #24100506 - 02/18/17 03:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, I know only what you write.  You are anthropomorphizing nature to have human qualities and appealing to these qualities to define nature.  Its akin to treating a metaphor as a literal descriptor.  Doing so limits your ability to conceptualize and understand because you are stuck in your human-cetric model.

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    #24100509 - 02/18/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You're looking into this too deep I think lol


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    #24100533 - 02/18/17 03:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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An anomaly of nature, but not an illness.:grin:






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    #24100538 - 02/18/17 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No the earth does not make rules.  Nature has ways, methods of doing and consequence.  It's not an intelligent being dictating.

If there is a contract with parents it's for unity and dealing with gain or loss.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #24100580 - 02/18/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If you are born not being attracted to the opposite sex, and only the same sex, it's abnormal. It's not "meant" to be that way, naturally.



That's not the case in all species - individual to each animal, and humans are really no different. We have members of the species that don't live with reproduction as a prime motivator. Not all (individual) hive insects live to reproduce, but you wouldn't call an individual ant abnormal because it doesn't take part in egg insemination.

The idea of what is normal and not normal in regards to the natural course of human nature (seems to) hang on the notion that sexual reproduction is the only end all be all of natural selection, whereas natural selection is much more selective than by those boundaries alone - sexual reproduction rates aren't the sole determining factor in long term survival - especially when you live in extremely large and sophisticated groups. Homosexuality is more 'normal' than cell phones and skyscrapers if we're sizing up natural traits, but the concept of what is and isn't natural or normal is an opinion at the end of the day. There are no laws.

Someone eating styrofoam could certainly be considered abnormal by most - by myself as well, but that it is abnormal is an opinion, not a law of nature that dictates it wrong or right. Homosexuality is abnormal to many, but I wouldn't define it as unnatural. If our only notions of natural are monogamous binary relationships, the theory fails to recognize the complex depth of human relationships that can be more than just sexual in nature, and can be sexual in nature but not for reproduction as well.

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    #24100592 - 02/18/17 04:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Most animals have sex out of powerful biological instinct.

Humans are far more complex mentally.

Some animals, rarely have sex for pleasure.  I think dolphins are one of these creatures as well as people.  It's enjoyable staying away from suffering that is caused by biological need.

It's simply biology that people have interests in sexuality.  It's never been proven that spirits exist or don't have sexuality.

I do think it's possible to enlighten past biological sexual needs.  This seems to happen to some people when they get old.  As it is now I know I have a need to release.

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    #24100654 - 02/18/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Unless, and bear with me here, gay people are here to prevent overpopulation. Like, it's natures way of of keeping the world in check.



I don't think that theory really makes evolutionary sense. From a creationist/"intelligent design" perspective, sure.

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    #24100688 - 02/18/17 04:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some gay people have kids.  Hell they are getting close to making babies out of non sexual dna.  Just need a host to birth but they might get  around that someday.


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    #24100698 - 02/18/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Unless, and bear with me here, gay people are here to prevent overpopulation. Like, it's natures way of of keeping the world in check.



I don't think that theory really makes evolutionary sense. From a creationist/"intelligent design" perspective, sure.



What if we're like, already in the singularity, man.  :ancientaliens:

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Some gay people have kids.  Hell they are getting close to making babies out of non sexual dna.  Just need a host to birth but they might get  around that someday.



Some people who think of themselves as "gay" might be more clearly described as bisexual. (Same for thinking of yourself as "straight" of course.) Sure we have IVF and so on today, but historically it would all males and females actually having sex with each other (not to suggest, of course, that all those ancestors were exclusively heterosexual.) Plus there would be births through rape.

The idea that bisexuality could convey a survival advantage seems fairly plausible though (by fostering group cohesion, with members of the same sex being potential sexual partners, rather than just rivals competing for mates).

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24100758 - 02/18/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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You're looking into this too deep I think lol



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    #24100795 - 02/18/17 05:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mmm, no.  Any gay or bisexual around me is going to push me further away from that group.

I don't even want a woman to have her way with me unless it's a very very good woman.  Too many fucked up heads on shoulders out there.

I think there is a group phenomena I observe.  That people feel more comfortable with acts that a large group see's as ok.  There is no right or wrong for the Universe, only individual.  People are comforted by numbers saying it's ok.


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    #24100807 - 02/18/17 05:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It may not need have a evolutionary survival/reproduction aspect at all.  Some traits go along for the ride.  Its not always (or ever?) a 1 to 1 and isolated correlation between genotype and phenotype.

Trait A which facilitates reproduction gets heavily selected.  Trait B gets partially activated by the same mechanism.  Trait B doesn't get selected out because trait A is so heavily selected and it is tied to the same expression mechanisms.

Also, it could be other than genetic.  I know this gets people all uppity by saying its not a choice...  But there does exist a swath of traits that are not genetic and are not an explicit choice.  The human psyche is complicated and does not form in a vacuum.  Unfortunately pro-gay advocates undermine their own position by denying environmental influence (and choice).  They implicitly agree to the preposterous notion that there is a natural order that is being appealed to when gay rights are being appealed to.  But thats not good enough.  Gays deserve rights, tolerance and a place in society whether their orientation is genetic or environmental.  They deserve rights because they are human, not because their orientation is genetic.

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    #24100813 - 02/18/17 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Mmm, no.  Any gay or bisexual around me is going to push me further away from that group.




That would be in the context of our modern culture, not really what I was getting at. Look for example at bonobos, the closest living relatives of humans.

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    #24100836 - 02/18/17 05:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It may not need have a evolutionary survival/reproduction aspect at all.  Some traits go along for the ride.  Its not always (or ever?) a 1 to 1 and isolated correlation between genotype and phenotype.

Trait A which facilitates reproduction gets heavily selected.  Trait B gets partially activated by the same mechanism.  Trait B doesn't get selected out because trait A is so heavily selected and it is tied to the same expression mechanisms.

Also, it could be other than genetic.  I know this gets people all uppity by saying its not a choice...  But there does exist a swath of traits that are not genetic and are not an explicit choice.  The human psyche is complicated and does not form in a vacuum.  Unfortunately pro-gay advocates undermine their own position by denying environmental influence (and choice).  They implicitly agree to the preposterous notion that there is a natural order that is being appealed to when gay rights are being appealed to.  But thats not good enough.  Gays deserve rights, tolerance and a place in society whether their orientation is genetic or environmental.  They deserve rights because they are human, not because their orientation is genetic.




Good points. Just trying to give an example of one possible (partial) explanation that lines up with evolutionary ideas, to contrast with "[homosexuality] is nature's way of keeping overpopulation in check", which I don't think can really be formulated as a coherent evolutionary argument.

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    #24100839 - 02/18/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that keeping population in check doesn't make much sense and I doubt that has been shown.

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    #24100843 - 02/18/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's wrong of both view points to try and convince the other which is better or which is natural. I think everyone should mind their own business.

It's ok to FEEL that what you are doing is right and it is ok to FEEL that what someone else thinks or is doing is wrong, but don't try and push your views on someone else.

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    #24100939 - 02/18/17 06:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I think it's wrong of both view points to try and convince the other which is better or which is natural. I think everyone should mind their own business.




Better...

As far as the big gay debate goes the only side I really see that thinks their side is better and natural and that everyone should know it is the "God hates fags" sort.


I have known a few very ignorant hateful gay people who have been victimized to a point that they convince themselves they're superior to straight people. ...but it's a minority. I've met a lot more gay people that think what they're doing really is wrong and against nature, against God.

That's why we have these debates and these discussions.

The sad thing about opinions is that if there is no respectable counter-opinion then we just tend to assume everyone agrees and we must be right. That's why gay people have historically been in the closet. Because up until very recently, and still in some countries, I could be raped and murdered for being with other women. Because there was and is no equivalent counter-opinion, no counter-logic applicable to those cultures than the... Well the opinion that man has always had. "Everyone must be like me and my father and my friends or something is wrong with them."

Not long ago homosexuality was considered a mental illness.
Not long ago we tried to treat people with mental illness, any perceived mental illness such as not being a happy wife, with electricity to the brain or, if that failed, removal of part of the brain.
Because of that belief of different = fundamentally and functionality wrong
And before that people weren't treated. Mental hospitals were a prison for different people. Your family and/or friends said you behaved oddly and the mental hospital took you in and held you until you acted "normal" again. No evidence needed. No diagnosis needed. You just needed to be 'strange' to those around you.



I think its funny. All the psychedelic users here would be in that same boat of "weird and flawed" and discarded in history too. Well no. It's not funny. No matter how different we are we still try to enforce the illusion of normalcy.

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    #24100946 - 02/18/17 06:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Its not homosexual if the dude is dressed like a girl and has a feminine smelling penis...




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    #24101025 - 02/18/17 06:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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3 sex for pleasure is obsession





When's the last time you saw somebody who has sex for pleasure ranting and raving in some smelly little corner of the internet like this one?

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I don't think it's mental illness. :shrug:


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    #24101512 - 02/18/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I think some people genuinely believe going back to hating blacks,gays Jews and more is the new Christianly/American thing to do :derp: Those are the true narcissists and sociopaths


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    #24101717 - 02/19/17 12:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think it's a mental illness.

But, I'm no doctor. 

Here's my case though.

Other than loving dicks...homosexuality doesn't seem to make people unable to function in any way.

But it does limit them in their ability to procreate...at least through traditional methods.

So, I guess...it depends..

On how you view the world.

I don't think it is.

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people who think this are up there with flat earthers.


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    #24101829 - 02/19/17 02:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Chill out everyone. He said it's a mental illness, not that it should be shamed/it's wrong. Obviously
most people are born that way and it's not like it's in their control. This does not mean it's not a mental
illness though, because it is. It's simple stating that it is not a normal part of our psychi and evolution.





Wow, so you are ready to assign "normal" and "abnormal" to our psyche.

This is the wacky reason for why we call things a "mental illness"

This is the insanity of the modern era . . .

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    #24101850 - 02/19/17 02:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just because you think it's wrong doesn't make it a mental illness.


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its caused by the fluoride in the water :feelsparanoidman:





If I have the option to not consume it, I don't.:shrug:



Quote:

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But it does limit them in their ability to procreate...at least through traditional methods.







Maybe we're just supposed to enjoy life, I understand we have a whole bunch of hormones telling us to shove our penis in vagina or vice versa, but maybe that's just because we're supposed to get off on being happy, which is why some people find fulfillment in things which are not sexual, such as drugs, or other hobbies, and sex ranks low on the totem pole for them.

I have known some asexuals before that were content with life and not lying, no pun intended, but different strokes for different folks is true I reckon.


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    #24102127 - 02/19/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, I don't think so.

We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.  We have done it for 250,000 years...it's pretty safe to assume that it is a primary purpose.

"Enjoying life" is such a shallow pursuit..


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102192 - 02/19/17 09:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The sexiest mental illness?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102215 - 02/19/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Or it's the deepest pursuit, because we have evolved to the point of creating the idea of what purpose is in the first place.

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    #24102255 - 02/19/17 09:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, post-modernism.  It's a failed philosophy imo.

Here's a great dissertation on it:



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102276 - 02/19/17 10:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

this entire thread is a mental illness


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    #24102355 - 02/19/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Whaat a boring statement. 

Ideologues are typically boring people.


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    #24102365 - 02/19/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What he meant was, mental chilness. It is chill gagging on cock


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    #24102380 - 02/19/17 10:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102421 - 02/19/17 11:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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No, I don't think so.

We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.  We have done it for 250,000 years...it's pretty safe to assume that it is a primary purpose.

"Enjoying life" is such a shallow pursuit..




Thinking so is not knowing. I don't know either. It doesn't make same sex attraction wrong or against nature. Maybe what was stated earlier about it being an anomaly in nature to control the amount of people is true. Natural population control.:shrug: There are over 400 species of animals that practice same sex copulation. Giraffes are one of them. I wrote a paper on the subject if anyone is interested. Enjoying life is not a shallow pursuit. To me enjoyment of life is the ONLY pursuit.

Only your own mind puts a shallowness to something you yourself find shallow. Everything doesn't have to have a meaning or purpose. Sometimes just mindless fun and hedonistic pleasures mean the most to some people. If something bothers a person they shouldn't pay any attention to it, dwell on it, or think about it unless they want to try and understand/accept it.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #24102457 - 02/19/17 11:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Peoople should always want to understand and / or accept things that bother them.  I mean, if you take any tenants of psychological thinking, they are based on the supposition of an unconscious mind.  Things that bug / bother you...you'd better damn well understand, if you want to understand yourself.  But why wouldn't you want greater understanding of yourself?

Moral relativism is a euphemism for nihilism. 

Moral relativism says that all value is subjective and that people can choose to value whatever they want.

If all value is subjective, and defining values is entirely whimsical, then nothing has any real, objective value.

If nothing has no objective, real value...then you're a nihilist.

I'm not a nihilist.

So, like I said...it comes from how you see the world.


As far as an anamoly...a synonym for that is mutation.  Mutation does not preclude the classification of illness.  Cancer is a mutation.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24102461 - 02/19/17 11:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think most of us are under-satisfied.  Humans crave sexual power at our core.  Religion tries to free us but often in practice makes us worse.

Humans will have desire long after sex is no longer required to reproduce.  So much anxiety and darkness keeps people coming back to the power of genitals for relief.  It's natures curse as that need may doom us all.


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    #24102494 - 02/19/17 11:42 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The need to procreate is why we're still here.


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    #24102502 - 02/19/17 11:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We have an as great of need to kill to survive as protect our procreation activities.

Been lucky why we are still here.  Big rock from space could of ended the show at any time.


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    #24102505 - 02/19/17 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see how any of that is relevant.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102607 - 02/19/17 12:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Great circular reasoning on my post. Sex and procreation is not the be all end all to our existence/purpose in life. People project what they want onto what they want. Having a "meaning" to our lives or the need to feel like we have to have a meaning can be detrimental to ones existence.


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    #24102697 - 02/19/17 01:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Ideologues are typically boring people.



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The need to procreate is why we're still here.



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    #24102704 - 02/19/17 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Great circular reasoning on my post. Sex and procreation is not the be all end all to our existence/purpose in life.




It's still essential.


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People project what they want onto what they want. Having a "meaning" to our lives or the need to feel like we have to have a meaning can be detrimental to ones existence.




Can be yes.

For example nihilists tend to put meaning into socialism which tends to lead to genocide.

Just because people have the choice to value some things and not others, does not mean that some things are not objectively more valuable than others.

And I don't think you know what a ciruclar argument is.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102730 - 02/19/17 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Probably not, I didn't take any other course in psychology other than the requirement for my nursing course. I vacillated before posting that statement,lol.

How about this. Another thread that is an "interesting" read. Alpha falfa was an interesting poster.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11080078#11080078Here is a paper I wrote for English class.:grin:

Homosexuality: Is It a Choice?

10 July 2008


Abstract
Homosexuality can be traced through ancient literature and references. The attitudes of society have varied from very accepting to the extremely negative. There has been extensive research done on the cause of same sex attraction. Take into consideration the role the media plays in the presentation of homosexual people. There are some groups and individuals that have an extremely negative view of homosexuality. There are others that view homosexuality to be a natural selection in nature. The controversy surrounding this subject will last for years to come.


Homosexuality: Is It a Choice?
Thousands of years ago in ancient Greece and Rome, there were not any words to describe same sex attraction. Some of the greatest philosophers to have ever lived, including Plato, wrote of “sexual relationships between men” (Mondimore, 1996, p. 4). In certain cultures it was a coming of age, a rite of passage for the men of that time. All ranks of society were involved in this practice (Mondimore, 1996, p. 4). Things have changed since then. Homosexuals today face intense prejudice, bigotry, and hatred.
The first European missionaries and explorers in North America observed same-sex relationships in Native American people. The French explorers used the name “berdache” to describe men who took on the traditional female role. They used the same name for the women who took on the traditional male role. These people were integrated and accepted as part of their society. There was not any hatred, fear, or prejudice toward them. They were held in very high regards by the groups that condoned them (Mondimore, 1996, p. 11).

Why is it that gay people are hated and reviled so much in modern times? There are common passages found in the Bible which are used to condemn homosexuality. Religious groups and individuals have been theorizing about what the Bible says for years. Most of the fundamentalist Christian groups say being gay is a sin. This is justified by their interpretation of passages from the Bible. The passages from these texts can be open for elucidation. There are words that may have been interpreted the wrong way. These words may have been taken out of context to validate someone’s own feelings of intolerance. This essentially could be called “homophobia.”

“Homophobia” refers to the fear of homosexuals. According to Gary E. Doupe: Many Christian conservatives have said, regarding homosexuals: “I can accept the sinner but not the sin; for God gives homosexuals the power to be ‘healed’--that is, the power to be changed into heterosexuals. “And if they cannot accept that, they have the option to remain celibate.” This position hardly rests on firm ground. Not only is its basis in Scripture highly questionable, but its connection to the love of Christ is difficult to fathom. What is demanded in the guise of ‘healing’ is nothing less than a massive denial of the structures of feeling and identity that is most integral to the personalities of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals. Because of the prejudice and discrimination they have experienced, most gay, lesbian, and bisexual people clearly would not have chosen that identity had there been a real choice open to them. (Blumenfeld, 1992, p. 191)
The Bible is open for analysis.

For example, if one looks at the meaning of a passage in Genesis 19; “the sodomites’ ” insisted they wanted “to ‘know’ the angels” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). The verb to “know” should be looked at more closely. According to Byrne Fone, “in the Hebrew text the verb is yadha. Yadha appears some nine-hundred times in the Old Testament” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). This word “almost always… means ‘to become acquainted with’  ” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). The translation of this word has been identified as an “implication of carnal knowledge, or…‘to have intercourse with’ or ‘to abuse’ ” (Fone, 2000, p. 77). Even though the word “yadha” has implications of sex, it has always been in reference to sex between a man and a woman (Fone, 2000, p. 78). There is no doubt that a great majority of people discovering they have feelings of same-sex desire often struggle with guilt and fear. Because of today’s interpretations of these passages, there are many people who try to “correct” or “fix” their sexual identity.


There are several psychologists, individuals, and groups of people that still believe being gay is a mental disorder or a choice. They assign or suggest treatments or “reparative therapy” to the gay person. The APA has issued statements rejecting the use of any treatments designed to change ones sexual identity (Bane, 2007, p. 2). These therapies have made people feel worse, or not cured them at all. Some negative aspects of these therapies can be linked to teen suicides. The stress of not being able to come out or talk about feelings of same-sex attraction can be related to the mainstream idea that same-sex attraction is wrong. “In a study involving over 6,000 adolescent girls and over 5,000 adolescent boys” it was concluded those that are gay are “more than twice as likely to attempt suicide” (Li Kitts, 2005, p. 3). This brings the question to light of how many attempts at suicide, or successful suicides take place without knowledge of sexual orientation.


Moving on to the healthcare field, there has been a study done recently at Massey University in Auckland, New Zealand. It has been revealed that if a healthcare provider assumes the patient is gay and is not comfortable with it, that assumption can have a negative effect on the patients’ recovery (Sexuality Impacts, 2006, p. 1-2). The patient is uncomfortable if the healthcare provider is. This affects the patients’ obedience “to treatment regimes” (Sexuality Impacts, 2006, p. 2). It is a shame that gay people cannot feel comfortable with their own physicians. What is needed is more research on the proof that humans are born gay. More evidence will educate people and eradicate the fear homosexuality. There is concrete evidence of same-sex relationships within other groups of mammals.


There has been extensive research in the animal kingdom on the subject of same-sex relationships. Charles Roselli is a physiologist at Oregon Health and Science University. He has concluded through research “that male sheep exhibit homosexuality at least as often as humans: roughly 8% of rams turn out to have sex exclusively with other rams” (Cloud, 2007, p. 2). He has also discovered “that gay rams have different brain structures from heterosexual ones” (Cloud, 2007, p. 2). This could lead to biologically concrete evidence in humans. Solid evidence is what the gay community needs to help solidify acceptance within society.

  Another example of possible biological proof that people are born gay is something called “gaydar” (pronounced like radar). William Lee Adams is a student conducting studies at Harvard College. He has been doing research on what is called “gaydar” in both men and women. When test subjects were observed in “neck-up photos and videos, without jewelry or makeup” (Lawson, 2005, p. 1) Adams found gay people make the most positive identification of other gays. Adams is quoted as saying, “ ‘gays often face isolation, depression and anxiety… Maybe gaydar is a coping mechanism’ ” (Lawson, 2005, p. 2).

The term “gaydar” has only been around for a short time. There is no evidence of history on the term “gaydar”. This is obviously a term invented by the gay community to let other people know when they sense another gay person’s presence.
In other colleges and universities, there seems to be a complacent attitude among young adults about important issues pertaining to gay people. In “a queer studies course at California State University at Northridge,” (Hall, 2006, p. 1) the teacher has noticed this complacency among gay students concerning gay marriage and AIDS. He attributes this to the students being exposed to openly gay characters on television and exposure to gay issues in the news media. The students dangerously perceive AIDS as a manageable disease with medication. Some students also believe the laws on gay marriage will come to fruition without participation (Hall, 2006, p. 2). College age people seem to be more complacent about these subjects.

In contrast, what do the young adults in the military think about homosexuality? What does the military institution itself declare about homosexuality?
Take a look at the military point of view on gays. “The Pentagon has reclassified homosexuality, grouping it with ‘conditions, circumstances, and defects’ ” (Rosenburg, 2006, p.
1). Some of these defects are listed as “allergies to uniforms, repeated bed-wetting, sleepwalking, dyslexia,” and “obesity” (Rosenburg, 2006, p. 2). The APA (American Psychiatric Association) stopped the classification of homosexuality as a disorder in 1973 (Rosenburg, 2006, p. 1). This also makes acceptance even more difficult for gay people in the military. In the British military gay people openly serve. The ban on gay people has been lifted there in 2000 and it has shown great success. “In a recent Zogby poll of troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, 73% said they are comfortable in the presence of gays.

U.S public opinion is also solidly behind the idea of gays serving openly” (Old Prejudice, 2007, p. 1). It is also stated that “gays serve openly in the military in 23 of 26 NATO countries, the United States, Turkey, and Portugal are the exceptions” (Old Prejudice, 2007, p. 1).
Moving along to televisions role in the acceptance of gays in society; gay characters have been utilized more since the “Stonewall Riots in June 1969” (Highleyman, 2007, p. 1). In 1971 a character (“Archie Bunker”) on the television show “All in the Family” dealt with emotional stress and other issues when he learns “an old drinking buddy, a former pro football player, was gay” (Highleyman, 2007, p. 1-2). At the time “then-President Richard Nixon…” was quoted as saying, “ ‘Goddamnit, I don’t think you glorify [homosexuality] on public television’ ” (Highleyman, 2007, p.  2). Television programs have come a long way since then, but some of the public attitudes have not. Cable television shows seem to be the forerunners of gay issues. This is apparent from the shows that are run on cable TV.


The people who remain intolerant of gays, including the U.S. President (past and present) and Congressional leaders, continue to fuel populist’s fears. As more people come out publicly and gain more political power, there will be more acceptance and tolerance. There are more hypocrites being exposed by the news media as well. Take for example, Congressman Mark Foley. The Congressman was involved with propositioning some of his male pages for sex with instant messages (Sullivan, 2006, p. 3). He was also in the closet about his homosexuality. The need to remain in the closet is becoming less necessary. It should never have been a necessity.


With the media characterizations of gay people on television and cable; it would seem as though there is more acceptance by society. “There remains severe social stigma attached to living as an openly queer person in many parts of this country” (Van Buskirk, 2005, p. 1). The loss of “their jobs, their families, and even their lives” (Van Buskirk, 2005, p. 1) continue as some of the problems. Hate is a breeding ground for the harassment and murder of gay people.


There seems to be an acceptance of “ ‘straight acting’ ” gay people. These “SAGs” are men that are gay but not effeminate and women that are gay but not masculine. These people seem to be more socially acceptable. The ridicule of effeminacy in men and masculinity in women is an issue that needs to be addressed. Gay men and women should not have to bargain his or her behavior to be more socially acceptable. For someone to say a person is “ ‘straight acting’… just pits one stereotype against another” (Rice, 2006, p. 1). Accepting diversity within other people is vital to keeping peace within society. 
Concluding with a survey on the acceptance of gay people in society in general, a census by “The American Community Survey” has shown a thirty percent increase in “same-sex couples” from the year 2000-2005. The numbers are 600,000 - 777,000 respectively (Out and


Proud Parents, 2007, p. 2). “The American Community Survey” is a survey “in which the Census 
Bureau quizzes a statistically representative sample of 1.4m households” (Out and Proud Parents, 2007, p. 2).  There is also data that shows fifty-seven percent of the people surveyed approve of gays in society; in 1982 it was thirty-four percent (Out and Proud Parents, 2007, p. 1).  Out of all the people surveyed, seventy-five percent of eighteen to thirty-four year olds approve of gays.


Half of the people above the age of fifty-five do not approve of gays (Out and Proud Parents, 2007, p. 1).
As always, the youth are the ones that seem to be the most flexible in the way they 
perceive things. When some people age, they sometimes forget what it was like to be open in the
way they thought about things. Change is inevitable and it cannot be avoided. Once people learn to embrace diversity without fear we will see a more peaceful way of living. Only through accepting change can we learn. The more knowledge one has about life, the better life can be. Knowledge is infinite. It seems as though the younger generation will improve things for the gay community. In fact, this will be an improvement for society as a whole.



I was torn apart for years about my attraction to men. I guess I am really bisexual because I find some women sexually attractive still.:shrug: But I do feel more comfortable with men in more ways.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24102758 - 02/19/17 01:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What about it?

Mental illness and choice aren't the same thing.

It seems like he is ultimately making a case against persecution.  And I agree that persecuting gays is bad. 

So, maybe the question is..would labeling homosexuality a disease cause persecution?

It has not seemed to have this effect in other areas, like alcoholism.  Or maybe it has.  I can't think of how, but it's possible.


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    #24102769 - 02/19/17 01:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"Just because people have the choice to value some things and not others, does not mean that some things are not objectively more valuable than others."

Isn't that what I said.:shrug:

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    #24102775 - 02/19/17 01:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yea i agree op.

People shouldnt be condemned for it tho.


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"Just because people have the choice to value some things and not others, does not mean that some things are not objectively more valuable than others."

Isn't that what I said.:shrug:




No...at least not that I see.

Quote:

I also said circular reasoning not circular arguing.




Reasoning and arguing are synonyms.  Either way, I don't think you know what it is.


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    #24102782 - 02/19/17 02:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Reasoning and arguing are synonyms.




no, the term you are looking for is ratiocination.
not reasoning and arguing.

reasoning does not equate to reason. arguing does not necessarily pertain to logic.

you can have illogical arguments and irrational reasoning.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24102790 - 02/19/17 02:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Reasoning and arguing are synonyms.




no, the term you are looking for is ratiocination.
not reasoning and arguing.

reasoning does not equate to reason. arguing does not necessarily pertain to logic.

you can have illogical arguments and irrational reasoning.



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24102792 - 02/19/17 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Why are you people still arguing lol


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24102793 - 02/19/17 02:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Definition of the verb reason from Google

verb
1.
think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic.

Definiton of argue from the same source:

give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory...

Synonims?  Close enough for me with the context.

But, like I said...either way he doesn't know what circular reasoning means.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #24102797 - 02/19/17 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

"You can admire someone's good looks without confusing that for sexual attraction."

Basically, all gay people are just confused. Someone should have told them the above quote when they were young. There is no such thing as 'gay' anyways...:cookiemonster:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #24102798 - 02/19/17 02:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why are you people still arguing lol




Because it's not settled to my satisfaction or to the satisfaction of the others arguing, presumably.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102810 - 02/19/17 02:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

reason=/=reasoning

reasoning implies rationality, though one can fail at that pursuit. "reason" is a word that implies many different things, and can be synonymous with "excuses", given a failure of being able to argue otherwise; and then some.

the verb "reasoning" (as opposed to "reason") is defined as such:
the action of thinking about something in a logical, sensible way.

see, to do as such^, but in a circular fashion, could be considered irrational; being that the rationale of an argument is to convince your audience, arguing in circles could be considered irrational and thusly holding no water, in terms of argumentation.

that is to say, that you can have a rational take on something, but argue that 'take' irrationally, hence, failing your attempts at being logical, and trying to convince your audience to listen with a rational mind.

you can also convince your audience to listen (and believe) based on irrationality.

that is typically, in this day and age, called "sophistry".

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    #24102827 - 02/19/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Fucking context dude.  We were talking about circular reasoning.

Obviously he was using a logical term.

One he hasn't backed up any knowledge of the definition for.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102828 - 02/19/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

fucking, why did you use the definition of "reason" though, if you were trying to provide CONTEXT?

fucking, what?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Alexthegreat] * 2
    #24102829 - 02/19/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I think back in the day psychologists classified homosexuality as a mental illness. Don't quote me on that but it was in that book dsmv something or other. Long story short though, it ain't in the updated versions.




Yes it was classified in one of the older versions of the DSM. In a more recent volume of the DSM, a strong belief in Christianity was classified as a mental illness. Then, (I'm guessing it was around the Reagan era Christianity made a social comeback and more members of the American Psychological Association were practicing Christians, so they took that out.

    Sometimes mental illness is real and sometimes it's defined more by a popularity contest. I don't totally agree with him, but the radical psychoanalytic theorist Thomas Szas has a central thesis that "mental illness is a myth". He said there is no demarcating line between those who are or aren't mentally ill. Rather we all have "problems with living" and some of us have more or more severe problems with living.

    In many pre-industrial cultures of the past and some currently, those we generally consider mentally ill were considered special in a positive way and had higher social status.

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    #24102832 - 02/19/17 02:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

where is the DSM listing for "Not Retarded"?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24102842 - 02/19/17 02:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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fucking, why did you use the definition of "reason" though, if you were trying to provide CONTEXT?

fucking, what?




akira, I'm getting tired of this now.

I was USING context, not providing it.  This is the stupidest argument I've ever been in.  It is 100 percent irrelevant to the issue of this thread.

I said circular arguing.  I meant circular reasoning.

But you couldn't figure that out from the context, so now we are arguing about nothing.

The point is...that other guy has no idea what it means.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Brian Jones]
    #24102846 - 02/19/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nice post, but what's your conclusion?

Is homosexuality a disease?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102860 - 02/19/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you were not using context. reasoning=/=reason

like i said.

:shrug: i don't see how you can fault that position.

use your ratiocination to come to conclusions.

in circular reasoning, certain tautological reasoning, you can come to logical conclusions, that simply have no grounds for proof/proving.

circular arguing isn't so much like tautology, it's more like you're using circular logic to make a point, that isn't coming across, and then using that same argument over and over again, thinking it's making your point come across, and/or insisting it does, when it's not, and it doesn't.

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    #24102862 - 02/19/17 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102872 - 02/19/17 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Being gay does usually make it difficult to have a family line, which is a big part of purpose if you are one of the unfortunate people that happens to die over the course of time, you may want a liniage.

That sort of thing has less value now because we are a self obsessed nihilistic generation. Thankfully the one after mine is amounts t least progressive we know of

Well these things may lack value to individuals, and it is their freedom not to have a liniage, marrage and instead focus on enjoying life, its bad for society to ha a bunch of people th aren't particularly invested in anything besides themselves


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    #24102875 - 02/19/17 02:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

*most progressive

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24102878 - 02/19/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I consider homosexuality a lifestyle, as well as an identity.

I don't always understand it, but I do think people should be allowed to do it if they're both consenting.

I'm in favor of gay marriage more as a no holds barred approach to civil unions than anything else. If two guys wanna get hitched, I mean I think it's gross, but whatever let them do it. If two girls wanna get married, well, I don't mind that at all ;D but it's kind of the same thing from a legal perspective.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: g00ru]
    #24102889 - 02/19/17 02:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

sexuality is about the more hysterically, and hilariously misapprehended thing in humanity.

i stick my juicy hard cock into a wet pocket of air, and grease.

never very sightly, i tell you what.

imagine a gay society, where the gays kill the straights.

oh what sense! because you know...ewww gross. straight sex...:puke: just grody.

or wait...no...let's....

"they are having sex for procreation instead of fun? have you read the Bible, you aren't even allowed a blow-job! boy, that eliminates the only reason to have sex! abominations!"

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24102895 - 02/19/17 02:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

well that's kind of an abstracted approach, even. You can also just look at it from the romantic perspective, like who do you want to date?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: g00ru]
    #24102898 - 02/19/17 02:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

someone who likes sex and doesn't get grossed out by the concept of it's silliness. slurp.

oh, and someone who isn't an idiot.

so.....damn.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24102916 - 02/19/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

see for me its a cute girl XD

but anyways my point is that I do think it should be accepted, to a degree.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24102950 - 02/19/17 03:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I did say I probably don't know exactly, but it seemed to me like you were using that in what you stated.:shrug: I don't try/claim to be some internet know it all mensa guy (I'm not insinuating you do). I do appreciate any intelligent insight or knowledge I can gain from discussions such as these.

If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know.:grin:

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24102967 - 02/19/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, you said that already.  I'm sorry.

akira keeps bringing it up for some reason.  I forgot.


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    #24102981 - 02/19/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

maybe you could make a post that isn't just common raillery, for once?

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    #24102984 - 02/19/17 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Huh?

(how's that?)


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24103004 - 02/19/17 03:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Now now, am I gonna have to separate you two? I'll turn this car a round RIGHT NOW!


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 2
    #24103160 - 02/19/17 04:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It seems like he is ultimately making a case against persecution.  And I agree that persecuting gays is bad. 

So, maybe the question is..would labeling homosexuality a disease cause persecution?

It has not seemed to have this effect in other areas, like alcoholism.  Or maybe it has.  I can't think of how, but it's possible.




This is where the difficulty comes up for me,
which leads to my tendency to hover in the background and read on this more than comment,
do not view homosexuality as a mental illness,
but also do not view referring to someone as mentally ill,
as being inherently insulting
since mental illness does not actually diminish an individual's humanness
:shrug:

With that said though,
another poster has previously been kind enough to outline for me,
that referring to homosexuality as mental illness,
has as much or more to do with the idea that it is something that needs to be "cured"
than actual efforts at understanding and contextualizing homosexuality
as part of the human condition

So personally do not feel drawing parallels between homosexuality and mental illness,
however inaccurate it may be,
is in itself necessarily derisive or persecutory.

Acknowledging my own viewpoint as not being the only one,
have to in turn recognize that the colloquial intention of referring to someone as in ill mental health,
is to be derisive of their status as a person,
such as labeling people "retarded" as an insult,
or claiming they cannot do a job requiring competency, such as the Presidency,
due to being in inadequate mental health.
Which would, in turn, seem to point toward potential for someone trying to make a claim
that a homosexual is not qualified to hold such a position,
due to being mentally ill.

There is a line of debate between the normalization and social valorization
of those with disabilities, that is redundant to really elucidate here,
however -- it would seem the typical intention of referring to homosexuality
as a mental illness
is to employ the statement to be derisive
regardless of any potential objective statement about the equality of individuals
across the spectrum of mental health, as opposed to the spectrum of sexuality

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    #24103218 - 02/19/17 04:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You can treat schizophrenia.

You can treat alcoholism.

You can treat bipolar disorder, OCD, major anxiety disorder, clinical depression, and pretty much any other mentall illness or disease.


You can't treat homosexuality.
Humanity has tried.
More often than not the attempts to "treat" it actually created mental illness in the "patient."

The "treatment" for homosexuality is letting people form intimate relations of their choice with the same sex if that's how they feel.


The end goal for all medical treatment is to make the person as happy and as functional as possible. Repressing sexuality tends to cause the opposite.


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    #24103231 - 02/19/17 04:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
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It seems like he is ultimately making a case against persecution.  And I agree that persecuting gays is bad. 

So, maybe the question is..would labeling homosexuality a disease cause persecution?

It has not seemed to have this effect in other areas, like alcoholism.  Or maybe it has.  I can't think of how, but it's possible.




This is where the difficulty comes up for me,
which leads to my tendency to hover in the background and read on this more than comment,
do not view homosexuality as a mental illness,
but also do not view referring to someone as mentally ill,
as being inherently insulting
since mental illness does not actually diminish an individual's humanness
:shrug:

With that said though,
another poster has previously been kind enough to outline for me,
that referring to homosexuality as mental illness,
has as much or more to do with the idea that it is something that needs to be "cured"
than actual efforts at understanding and contextualizing homosexuality
as part of the human condition

So personally do not feel drawing parallels between homosexuality and mental illness,
however inaccurate it may be,
is in itself necessarily derisive or persecutory.

Acknowledging my own viewpoint as not being the only one,
have to in turn recognize that the colloquial intention of referring to someone as in ill mental health,
is to be derisive of their status as a person,
such as labeling people "retarded" as an insult,
or claiming they cannot do a job requiring competency, such as the Presidency,
due to being in inadequate mental health.
Which would, in turn, seem to point toward potential for someone trying to make a claim
that a homosexual is not qualified to hold such a position,
due to being mentally ill.

There is a line of debate between the normalization and social valorization
of those with disabilities, that is redundant to really elucidate here,
however -- it would seem the typical intention of referring to homosexuality
as a mental illness
is to employ the statement to be derisive
regardless of any potential objective statement about the equality of individuals
across the spectrum of mental health, as opposed to the spectrum of sexuality

:catlal:



excellent post.

Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
You can treat schizophrenia.

You can treat alcoholism.

You can treat bipolar disorder, OCD, major anxiety disorder, clinical depression, and pretty much any other mentall illness or disease.


You can't treat homosexuality.
Humanity has tried.
More often than not the attempts to "treat" it actually created mental illness in the "patient."

The "treatment" for homosexuality is letting people form intimate relations of their choice with the same sex if that's how they feel.


The end goal for all medical treatment is to make the person as happy and as functional as possible. Repressing sexuality tends to cause the opposite.



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24103241 - 02/19/17 04:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Homosexuality can def be cured.. It is like treating any addiction really, the person has to want to be cured..

With that said, theres nothing wrong with loving sumone that is the same sex as u, the prob is when peeps want to stick their PPs in their poopoos... :eek:


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    #24103250 - 02/19/17 04:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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    #24103269 - 02/19/17 04:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know man.. And im sorry.. But this discussion must take place.. Work with me.. Dont fight it..


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    #24103277 - 02/19/17 05:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I know man.. And im sorry.. But this discussion must take place.. Work with me.. Dont fight it..



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    #24103280 - 02/19/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The gays can be cured with a strict regiment of 6oz suppositories every hour on the hour.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24103281 - 02/19/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: zZZz] * 2
    #24103283 - 02/19/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Conversion therapy.

Thousands of homosexual Christians attempted to "cure" their homosexuality.
It had very poor success rates for a reason.
It had high rates of depression and suicide for a reason.


People that are "cured" of homosexuality are either in repression or were never truly homosexual to begin with.

It is believed to be epigenetic now. Not genetic. Not mental. But something that develops along with personality. When you try to "cure" someone of their homosexuality you are literally trying to remove a part of them that makes them them. It doesn't work. And if it does work you've essentially broken the person.

And... For what?

Why would anyone want to go through all that for something that isn't going to hurt anyone?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #24103292 - 02/19/17 05:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

gay people can be cured by jesus. didnt you guys know?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #24103301 - 02/19/17 05:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24103314 - 02/19/17 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

It think it does hurt peeps.. It makes them feel shameful, and i realize a big part of that may have to do with society's conditionings.. But even if it were not condemed in a society, let alone peeps were even aware it was bad thing, i bet theyd still feel shame... Theyd still feel like they did something wrong..


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #24103339 - 02/19/17 05:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it probably is a mental illness, but it's a pretty benign one. I mean, it's not like it spreads.

BTW, full on fag for what it's worth, but it's not like hetrosexuals can't give their opinion to.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: zZZz] * 2
    #24103371 - 02/19/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It think it does hurt peeps.. It makes them feel shameful, and i realize a big part of that may have to do with society's conditionings.. But even if it were not condemed in a society, let alone peeps were even aware it was bad thing, i bet theyd still feel shame... Theyd still feel like they did something wrong..




:ohwell: people are often ashamed to be themselves. Part of growing up and learning to be happy is embracing yourself for who you are.

I tried pretty much all my life to not be me man. I'm a fucked up person not because I am me but because I have disliked me so much. And it started when I didn't get the love and support I needed. Because I was different. I am still different. But I don't think I'm really all that different from anyone else. Humanity is such a massive hodgepodge of crazy random ass traits mashed into one poor confused individual... I am happier for having realized this. For having accepted this and myself. But I still battle all the time with myself to accept myself enough to feel accepted by those I love.


I think confusion will always be there.
Judgment will always be there.
And self-confidence will always be a problem.


But it is quite silly to put a trait as a mental illness, or that it hurts the individual, because someone might be ashamed of it.
Being white should be a mental illness because people feel guilty about it.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24103386 - 02/19/17 05:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

This isnt about being white... :wink:


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    #24103425 - 02/19/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.




We're not supposed to do a damn thing if we don't want to, we have that choice.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #24103435 - 02/19/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fennario said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.




We're not supposed to do a damn thing if we don't want to, we have that choice.




I agree.  Procreation is not supposed,  there is no supposer of it.  Except grandma.  But she doesnt have any more authority than we give her.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Lucis]
    #24103475 - 02/19/17 06:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fennario said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.




We're not supposed to do a damn thing if we don't want to, we have that choice.



That shows the weakness n the way we view freedom. No duty
I'd really like to be attracted to girls. Having a child once you have resources mentally and financially is extremely important unless you are one off the nihalists that see no benefit or place for themselves in the continuation of things

Not wanting g a kid as an adult is strange, wanting g to fuck other men exclusively is strange he.
Some people are strange, and it does have consequences. I'll be very sad if I'm old and have no child. And no, I wouldn't pull a child into a  gay relationship.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24103520 - 02/19/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

senseless blather. ^

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #24103527 - 02/19/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If anyone would recognize that it would be you. :lol:

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #24103530 - 02/19/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Fennario said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.




We're not supposed to do a damn thing if we don't want to, we have that choice.



That shows the weakness n the way we view freedom. No duty
I'd really like to be attracted to girls. Having a child once you have resources mentally and financially is extremely important unless you are one off the nihalists that see no benefit or place for themselves in the continuation of things

Not wanting g a kid as an adult is strange, wanting g to fuck other men exclusively is strange he.
Some people are strange, and it does have consequences. I'll be very sad if I'm old and have no child. And no, I wouldn't pull a child into a  gay relationship.



Where's your sense of duty POUTINE

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #24103531 - 02/19/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If anyone would recognize that it would be you. :lol:



you either agree, or you don't. otherwise :shrug:

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Lucis]
    #24103538 - 02/19/17 06:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Fennario said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
We are definitely supposed to procreate.  Every living thing does it.




We're not supposed to do a damn thing if we don't want to, we have that choice.




Species do. Individuals don't always. Individuals within other species as well.

And in a lot of species it's because something IS wrong. In mammals that's not necessarily true. In fact alot of animals almost exclusively procreate my raping other members of their species. Alot of animals almost exclusively procreate with their immediate family, their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, uncles, nieces, whatever's closest. Alot of animals indiscriminately perform intercourse with any sex, any species, and even inanimate objects.


People are a whole hell of alot like animals. But we don't exactly hold ourselves to their standards for pretty obvious reasons.


The only reason every species procreates (with the exception of those capable of self replication) is because any species that evolves not to will die out. Nature is designed this way not because there's some grand scheme and an omnipotent being that said "all must do this" ...it is designed this way because it has worked. And considering we're facing a severe overpopulation problem I would not say that 10% of the population not wanting to reproduce with the opposite sex is counter to the design of nature.


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    #24115034 - 02/24/17 12:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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In a more recent volume of the DSM, a strong belief in Christianity was classified as a mental illness.
Sometimes mental illness is real and sometimes it's defined more by a popularity contest.




Every "disorder" in the DSM is based on votes about what symptoms are "abnormal".

As I think you know, there is zero science involved. It's based on conjecture.

Quote:

Brian Jones said:

Thomas Szas has a central thesis that "mental illness is a myth". He said there is no demarcating line between those who are or aren't mentally ill.




He says, along with many researchers, these symptoms aren't biological defects.

He says this because the DSM and "mental illness" is based on non-scientific opinions. 

"If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia."

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24115200 - 02/24/17 03:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

thing is most people don't realize is, if you hear voices, for example, but you function fine, otherwise, and don't go to see the doctor, what's in the DSM isn't really relevant.

:shrug: because the DSM is a diagnostic tool. no help needed = no diagnostic screening needed.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24115210 - 02/24/17 03:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

so putting your cock into a warm fart box, is like... a symptom...of...something?!

it has no reproductive purpose!

its called being horny and not picky or held down by fear - maybe some think it is an illness, perhaps but there is no conclusive evidence of organic anomalies in those who do.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #24115252 - 02/24/17 04:21 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i mean far be it from me to have anal sex but maybe its fine for ye brave warriors hwhehehehehheahuahfe;kahfoeiw =^_^=


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #24115672 - 02/24/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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so putting your cock into a warm fart box, is like... a symptom...of...something?!

it has no reproductive purpose!

its called being horny and not picky or held down by fear - maybe some think it is an illness, perhaps but there is no conclusive evidence of organic anomalies in those who do.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #24115691 - 02/24/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Homosexuality has nothing to do with anal sex or sucking dick because plenty of homosexuals don't do the one or the other.

Homosexuality is sexual attraction between people of the same gender.

All higher animals have homosexual behaviors among their species.

If the OP had or ever will have sex without procreation he is a steaming hypocrite.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante]
    #24120288 - 02/26/17 02:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Animals that have been observed to engage in homosexual behaviour are isolated though. Dogs hump for dominance for example. Sure some may do it for pleasure but humans are the only animal to engage in only 'homosexual' sexual activity..


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Magenta]
    #24120292 - 02/26/17 02:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

you don't think that is because of cultural norms?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24120306 - 02/26/17 02:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Personally i do think that society and culture have a lot to do with it. People have tendencies and the culture that a person lives in allows things to be acknowledged, which is entirely relevant. Over in China for example, homosexuality is uncommon, not because it's frowned upon but because people simply don't know about it, (from what i've heard).
In western countries it is becoming more and more common. I couldn't care less what people do for enjoyment, as i have my own abstruse fetishes, but i do think that it is unnatural behaviour for a large population of one species to have absolutely no sexual desires to the opposite sex.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Magenta]
    #24120310 - 02/26/17 02:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i'm pretty sure monogamous relationships are not really prevalent through most of the animal kingdom, either. but you don't hear anyone calling it "unnatural". are you sure, again, that this isn't cultural norms? or due to the formation of language as we have built on it?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24120322 - 02/26/17 03:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

We're not talking about monogamous relationships, we're talking about homosexuality and mental illnesses. Monogamy is a different topic.
Homosexuality used to be regarded as a mental illness in the DSM. Evelyn Hooker was able to have homosexuality removed from the DSM because she exploited a Grey area in the diagnosis of mental illness, which is determined with Operational definition. Properties defined in this manner must be sufficiently accessible, so that persons other than the definer may independently measure or test for them at will. 'Happiness' was the property used by Evelyn Hooker and 'happiness' is clearly open to interpretation. How one person can measure another's happiness is an arbitrary concept, let alone how other people can compare measurements of such a thing. her finding are flawed, and so is the DSM which is why it is commonly criticised.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Asante]
    #24120325 - 02/26/17 03:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Homosexuality has nothing to do with anal sex or sucking dick because plenty of homosexuals don't do the one or the other.

Homosexuality is sexual attraction between people of the same gender.

All higher animals have homosexual behaviors among their species.

If the OP had or ever will have sex without procreation he is a steaming hypocrite.



I agree with all that , it's just about who you are physically attracted to . Who the fuck cares who's attracted to whom?

It's really not like we are the building blocks of civilization and need to procreate for the survival of humanity. At this particular point overpopulation is on everyone's minds . Also I can pretty much guarantee people in their 20s and 30s  This day and age do not want babies if they can help it. Some do but point is unless you look to impregnate everytime you have sex then u a hypocrite.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #24120331 - 02/26/17 03:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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We're not talking about monogamous relationships, we're talking about homosexuality and mental illnesses. Monogamy is a different topic.




we were talking about what is natural and what isn't. don't act like you don't know that.

PS: the DSM is a diagnostic manual & tool...not a manual of what is unnatural, or what is correct. if you have a problem you go to the doctor...the doctor doesn't come to you to tell you that you have a mental illness. if you're not having a problem, then how is it an illness?

point is: not everyone has a problem with their homosexuality. so how can that be considered an illness, if the person has no problem to address?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24120351 - 02/26/17 03:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know where you were coming from, but you know damn well that your point couldn't be addressed without going off on a tangent completely unrelated to the topic. Why do you always have to troll, Akira?
You can have a problem and not have an illness. The same applies in reverse; people can have an illness and not realise they have a problem. People often suffer diabetes without even realising they have diabetes until they are diagnosed after a work check up or something.
Homosexuality influences a person's reproductive capabilities. It makes them desire unnatural behaviour that does not encourage the continuation of our species. That is unnatural and isolated to humans. The irony of my argument is that we are experiencing over population and maybe homosexuality is arising to combat said issue. Who knows.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Magenta]
    #24120353 - 02/26/17 03:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i'll stick with "who knows", because i have the feeling that we're all just making it up as we go along anyways.

i don't believe that we have a code or ruleset to live by...but that we make up our rules. like a game. sorta.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24124584 - 02/27/17 07:43 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

I think it is natures way of stopping reproduction. So many humans are being born, maybe having sex purely flr pleasure is a product of evolution in order to stop populating so much?


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    #24124619 - 02/27/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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    #24124642 - 02/27/17 08:05 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

from a religious perspective, even, that'd make sense...it's like how people say it's a "sin" to focus solely on sex, and yes, even if that is an evolutionary drive...because what would be worth looking for in the skies, or inside yourself, your "soul", if the only thing worthy of one's attention was sex...or anything else. :shrug:

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    #24124730 - 02/27/17 08:46 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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i already said that and no one liked it




It's a theory I'm open to. It's a benefit if nothing else, if "unintentional."

I think it's more simple that we are highly social intellectual animals with complex societies and intimate relations is not only how we survive but how we thrive.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24124774 - 02/27/17 09:12 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

I just think it isn't really a theory based in evolution, in spite of using the word evolution.

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    #24124819 - 02/27/17 09:38 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

They say everything the church finds questionable is a mental illness. Drug abuse homosexuality... Fuck the church though they know better than anyone  Jesus died for our sins including drugs and gay sex.  If he died for my sins then ima make sure I make some otherwise the death of Jesus is pointless.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: psi] * 1
    #24124876 - 02/27/17 10:04 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Science seems to bear out homosexuality being largely genetic.  www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/304683/

Mental illnesses may be genetic, but so is hair color and all other mundane attributes.

Should homosexuality be labeled an illness?  I dunno, but it's not unnatural if genetic, because our genetics are nature. 


Homosexuality is their nature.


Many animals exhibit homosexual behavior occasionally, but very  few do so exclusively. 

So could one say heterosexuality (or bisexuality) is more natural than homosexuality?  Only if brown eyes are more natural then blue.


Mentall illness is also natural, the only reason we try to cure it is because it is destructive.  I guess that raises the question of whether homosexuality is destructive? 

When we find the exact polygenetic factors that cause homosexuality should we offer the hypothetical vaccine to potential mothers?  Or would that be like a vaccination against blue eyes?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists]
    #24125210 - 02/28/17 03:42 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

The fact that a ridiculous and bigoted post like this gets +5 speaks volumes about the shroomery. Love is love.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: flickedbic] * 1
    #24125245 - 02/28/17 04:36 AM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Science seems to bear out homosexuality being largely genetic.  www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/304683/






More recent studies reinforce that it's not entirely generic, as your article implies. If Freud was right about anything it's that our sexuality develops in early childhood. There have been genes that are more likely to produce homosexual men but it is only true half the time. So it's not as strictly genetic as your hair or eye color.

Since sexual nature comes from a combination of genes and evolves with personality it is likely most if not all those factors also contribute to the sex of ones attraction.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24127448 - 02/28/17 10:54 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I suspect some homosexuals aren't as much attracted to the same gender as sexually repulsed by the opposite gender.

I've heard lesbians say "I don't like dick." but not "I love pussy."

Just an anecdotal comment . . . don't stone me peeps

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #24127560 - 03/01/17 12:00 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burger]
    #24127580 - 03/01/17 12:25 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.




Well the idea is that the fun in sex is linked to some instinct that drives us to reproduce.  I don't have a dog in the fight either way and nothing against gays, but why do you think sex is fun in the first place?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24127588 - 03/01/17 12:32 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Celestial Traveler said:
Quote:

Burger said:
I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.




Well the idea is that the fun in sex is linked to some instinct that drives us to reproduce.  I don't have a dog in the fight either way and nothing against gays, but why do you think sex is fun in the first place?




I don't think sex is fun, I don't like risking having kids for 15 minutes of exercise. I don't want kids.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burger] * 1
    #24127590 - 03/01/17 12:34 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Burger said:
I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.



:archiebunker:  Your logic is not very good here. Are you a biologist or scientist?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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tyrannicalrex said:
Quote:

Burger said:
I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.



:archiebunker:  Your logic is not very good here. Are you a biologist or scientist?




Are you?


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burger]
    #24127598 - 03/01/17 12:47 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

LOL, nope.:grin: I am a homosexual though and have been alive for 52 years, so I have a bit of experience in the world. I have also written a paper on it (posted in this thread) and have read enough to know that it is mostly genetic if not totally. I tortured myself for years with the feelings I had, but I am now very comfortable with it. I also think/feel that science does not know everything, but they know a lot. The article that someone posted earlier from the Atlantic was very interesting as well.

I am not in here to argue or troll either. I like conversing.:grin:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burger]
    #24127635 - 03/01/17 01:25 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Burger said:
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Burger said:
I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.




Well the idea is that the fun in sex is linked to some instinct that drives us to reproduce.  I don't have a dog in the fight either way and nothing against gays, but why do you think sex is fun in the first place?




I don't think sex is fun, I don't like risking having kids for 15 minutes of exercise. I don't want kids.




Do you, in turn, consider your own lack of desire to procreate,
to be a mental illness,
or do you view yourself as mentally sound
because you're not interested in the biological drive to propagate the species
rather than engaging in the act of procreation
'for fun' rather than 'for biological reasons'?

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Tantrika] * 2
    #24128198 - 03/01/17 10:27 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

:strokebeard3:


Well the dude's name is Burger so he probably is. Biologically speaking we aren't supposed to eat cheeseburgers, much less eat for enjoyment, so anyone that does has mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is.

People do whatever they want though :ohwell:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #24128248 - 03/01/17 10:45 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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I suspect some homosexuals aren't as much attracted to the same gender as sexually repulsed by the opposite gender.

I've heard lesbians say "I don't like dick." but not "I love pussy."

Just an anecdotal comment . . . don't stone me peeps




I've heard this alot too. And it leads to misunderstanding at times.

I like women. But I don't loathe dick like alot of other lesbians. This has lead alot of people to assume (as is often assumed with lesbians regardless) that I am not gay but afraid of the opposite sex due to being hurt in the past.


Truth is I'm more afraid of women. I can't kick them between the legs and floor them :shiftyeyes: :lol:

I've always just had a special sense of attraction to girls. Even as a child. I had my first girl crush when I was like 10. I pursued and kissed boys... But I really just didn't have much feeling for them. It's a different kind of bond. I see them as my friends, my buddies, or, if really close, my brothers.

Women, girls, I've always formed deeper connections with them. And along with that a desire to touch, kiss, cuddle, and comfort them.
Not that I don't want to hug and comfort my guy friends. I just don't feel like they can come to be in my heart the same way women get there. Whether I want them to or not.

Also why I tend to be more afraid of them.
A guy I get close to can stab my back and hurt me.
A girl I get close to can rip my heart out and destroy me.


As far as the physical sexual part of it. Well... Cock is fun :shrug: and I know and appreciate an attractive man when I see them. But there is no desire to have an intimate bond there.  I'd not ever and have never had sex with my real close guy friends. They're my bros. That's like incest to me.

I can make love to a woman. I can only fuck a man. And preferably one night stand style. I have had a fuck buddy before so it's not that I get the post sex creeps. I only get that when they start being needy and harassing me. Convinced that if I get enough of the dick I'll suddenly be straight.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 3
    #24128293 - 03/01/17 11:01 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Gay, straight, homo, and hetero...they're all just human words, labels to enforce the dichotomy we are told is truth.

All is one, not two :smirk:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Tantrika]
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Burger said:
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Burger said:
I'd say there's nothing wrong with being gay, but biologically speaking sex is supposed to be done to reproduce, not for enjoyment, therefor gay sex would be considered a mental illness. That's just scientifically how it is. People should still do whatever they want though.




Well the idea is that the fun in sex is linked to some instinct that drives us to reproduce.  I don't have a dog in the fight either way and nothing against gays, but why do you think sex is fun in the first place?




I don't think sex is fun, I don't like risking having kids for 15 minutes of exercise. I don't want kids.




Do you, in turn, consider your own lack of desire to procreate,
to be a mental illness,
or do you view yourself as mentally sound
because you're not interested in the biological drive to propagate the species
rather than engaging in the act of procreation
'for fun' rather than 'for biological reasons'?




I view my lack to procreate the result of an overpopulated world. I would love to procreate if I could afford it, but I can't.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24128667 - 03/01/17 01:45 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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As far as the physical sexual part of it. Well... Cock is fun :shrug: ...




:justno:

Cumbersome, awkward, inconvenient, unsatisfying
Those are the most immediate adjectives that come to mind, rather than fun
cannot even fathom being at the other side of it

u r a crazy cookie, Barb
:shrug:

Vaginas are definitely fun and wonderful though
along with delicious and perhaps outright intoxicating :cookiemonster:
but the whole ability to connect with a woman on a deep emotional level in the process,
makes them all the more satisfying

Though, to be fair
recognize penis provides an additional level of convenience for urination
while being born with a fully functioning vagina may feel like a monthly death-sentence
so position and perspectives on the issue probably hold some additional sway

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burger]
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Burger said:
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Tantrika said:
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Do you, in turn, consider your own lack of desire to procreate,
to be a mental illness,
or do you view yourself as mentally sound
because you're not interested in the biological drive to propagate the species
rather than engaging in the act of procreation
'for fun' rather than 'for biological reasons'?




I view my lack to procreate the result of an overpopulated world. I would love to procreate if I could afford it, but I can't.




Fair enough, can respect that.
Is the option of something like a vasectomy also out of the realm of possibility due to cost?
And if so, would you consider that sufficient as an option if it were affordable?

The sterilization surgery was a free option for me under Canadian healthcare
but in turn means that all sex is explicitly for pleasure

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Tantrika]
    #24128744 - 03/01/17 02:09 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Agreed OP. Especially trannies


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #24128755 - 03/01/17 02:12 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Agreed OP. Especially trannies



:lol: :facepalm:

conservatism is a mental illness. religion is a mental illness. scientism is a mental illness. biology is inferior to mechanics- medicine proves this fact.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #24128774 - 03/01/17 02:16 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

That taught me a lot. Thank you for that enlightening post.


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24128829 - 03/01/17 02:29 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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Kush_Zombie said:
Agreed OP. Especially trannies



:lol: :facepalm:

conservatism is a mental illness. religion is a mental illness. scientism is a mental illness. biology is inferior to mechanics- medicine proves this fact.



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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Burger]
    #24128853 - 03/01/17 02:36 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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That taught me a lot. Thank you for that enlightening post.



you're welcome.

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Dont forget liberalism




freedom and liberty is a mental illness?

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    #24128882 - 03/01/17 02:41 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Yes.

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    #24128890 - 03/01/17 02:44 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

It's a sin

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    #24128914 - 03/01/17 02:49 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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    #24128936 - 03/01/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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It's a sin



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    #24128942 - 03/01/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

That's funny I think the same thing Christians.

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    #24128954 - 03/01/17 03:03 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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That's funny I think the same thing Christians.



that people are made perfect by a perfect god, they just need to walk with Jesus?


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    #24128973 - 03/01/17 03:05 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

IS THAT YOU AMITA?

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    #24128990 - 03/01/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

no, that's God.

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #24130830 - 03/02/17 10:24 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
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As far as the physical sexual part of it. Well... Cock is fun :shrug: ...




:justno:

Cumbersome, awkward, inconvenient, unsatisfying
Those are the most immediate adjectives that come to mind, rather than fun
cannot even fathom being at the other side of it

u r a crazy cookie, Barb
:shrug:

Vaginas are definitely fun and wonderful though
along with delicious and perhaps outright intoxicating :cookiemonster:
but the whole ability to connect with a woman on a deep emotional level in the process,
makes them all the more satisfying

Though, to be fair
recognize penis provides an additional level of convenience for urination
while being born with a fully functioning vagina may feel like a monthly death-sentence
so position and perspectives on the issue probably hold some additional sway

:pantytail:




Well wait I didn't say pussy wasn't fun. I find much enjoyment with a noice pussy. Even mine, even if it does torture me once a month for 1-2 weeks out of the month. So like nearly half the year...
But I don't think I'd find cock all that fun if I had one. I mean minus my own ofc. I think it would be fun to have a penis for a day or 6. I wouldn't want the balls tho. I'd probably sit on them. And that doesn't sound fun.

I mean I can stick things in my vagina but there's a limit, half of said things just hurt, and I can't stick a vagina in my vagina. A penis seems to be stickable in most anything tho. Which is how I think guys tend to push it and get it stuck and have to call the fire department to cut them out.
:smilingpuppy:

Being said I bet it's less embarrassing to get your cock stuck in a bolt washer than it is to get a carrot stuck in your pussy.
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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24130950 - 03/02/17 11:12 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
...

Well wait I didn't say pussy wasn't fun. I find much enjoyment with a noice pussy. Even mine, even if it does torture me once a month for 1-2 weeks out of the month. So like nearly half the year...
But I don't think I'd find cock all that fun if I had one. I mean minus my own ofc. I think it would be fun to have a penis for a day or 6. I wouldn't want the balls tho. I'd probably sit on them. And that doesn't sound fun.

I mean I can stick things in my vagina but there's a limit, half of said things just hurt, and I can't stick a vagina in my vagina. A penis seems to be stickable in most anything tho. Which is how I think guys tend to push it and get it stuck and have to call the fire department to cut them out.
:smilingpuppy:

Being said I bet it's less embarrassing to get your cock stuck in a bolt washer than it is to get a carrot stuck in your pussy.
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'Round these parts
the comparison may be between a cock in a tree
and ice in a pussy

but see where you are coming from with it,
there is a degree of comedic value around male masturbation in general
hell, the American Pie series was highly successful
and can recall a whole gag of one of the actors using super glue as lube and getting stuck to himself

Also tho, this post caused me a bit of a shudder
as it reminded me of a time playing with my cousins around the age of 10
we were climbing and running across the beams of the back fence
when my cousin fell off, and suffered the painful misfortune
of a far-too-accurate landing on a poorly sawed off bush,
that was angled and far pointier than it ought to have been
and had to be rushed to the hospital
due to internal damage

reflections like that make me cringe,
even without ability to fully relate,
and hopefully never suffering something so severe

people laugh at kicks to the nuts tho

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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24132488 - 03/02/17 10:47 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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That taught me a lot. Thank you for that enlightening post.



you're welcome.

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freedom and liberty is a mental illness?




Freedom isn't a mental illness, being an antifa and wanted to suppress people is though.


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I've always just had a special sense of attraction to girls. Even as a child. I had my first girl crush when I was like 10. I pursued and kissed boys... But I really just didn't have much feeling for them. It's a different kind of bond. I see them as my friends, my buddies, or, if really close, my brothers.





Interesting.

So you don't view men as a potential source of close intimacy?

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Kush_Zombie said:
That taught me a lot. Thank you for that enlightening post.



you're welcome.

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Dont forget liberalism




freedom and liberty is a mental illness?




Freedom isn't a mental illness, being an antifa and wanted to suppress people is though.





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CookieCrumbs said:

I've always just had a special sense of attraction to girls. Even as a child. I had my first girl crush when I was like 10. I pursued and kissed boys... But I really just didn't have much feeling for them. It's a different kind of bond. I see them as my friends, my buddies, or, if really close, my brothers.





Interesting.

So you don't view men as a potential source of close intimacy?




Not that kind, no.
I imagine I feel about men and women the same as straight men do.

Which is why lesbians I think is traditionally associated with masculinity and gay men is associated with femininity. While the level of masculinity vs femininity doesn't ring true I think comparing homosexual attraction to heterosexual attraction of the opposite sex is probably the best way to describe it. :ohwell:


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said:

I've always just had a special sense of attraction to girls. Even as a child. I had my first girl crush when I was like 10. I pursued and kissed boys... But I really just didn't have much feeling for them. It's a different kind of bond. I see them as my friends, my buddies, or, if really close, my brothers.





Interesting.

So you don't view men as a potential source of close intimacy?




Not that kind, no.
I imagine I feel about men and women the same as straight men do.

Which is why lesbians I think is traditionally associated with masculinity and gay men is associated with femininity. While the level of masculinity vs femininity doesn't ring true I think comparing homosexual attraction to heterosexual attraction of the opposite sex is probably the best way to describe it. :ohwell:




Only to people that don't know a lot of gay men and only get thier perception of them through the media. Go to The Eagle in New York or San Francisco on a Saturday night and let me know what you think then. They are hyper-masculine actually. BUT there are still feminine acting men who look masculine.

I also feel closer to the same sex in ways I don't with the opposite sex. I bond more intimately with them. I have been with many women and loved them, but the bond I have with my partner now is the strongest one ever.


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    #24133862 - 03/03/17 02:46 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

NY and SF are barely real places, you can't judge gaybpeople by rediculous scenes in rediculous places.

I kind of understand what CC is saying. I dont understand how streight men are emotionally intimate with women.


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    #24133886 - 03/03/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I think alot of people would be happier if they could just be gay.

I would be.


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Why can't you just be gay? I'm not sure what you mean by that


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness *DELETED* [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #24133906 - 03/03/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Are you gay?
If not then go out and and sleep with your Same sex and see how it feels.

Then you'll understand that post.


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I think alot of people would be happier if they could just be gay.

I would be.





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Re: homosexuality is mental illness *DELETED* [Re: Lucis]
    #24133921 - 03/03/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Well I meant for the post to have multiple meanings.

One would be the social stigma that does still exist in some fashion, especially in families. And my sympathy for guys in that regard.


The other would be

gay
ɡā/
adjective
1.
(of a person, especially a man) homosexual.
"that friend of yours, is he gay?"
synonyms: homosexual, lesbian; informalqueer
"gay men and women"
2.
lighthearted and carefree.

"Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face"


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Re: homosexuality is mental illness [Re: nothing exists] * 1
    #24134166 - 03/03/17 05:00 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Being obsessed about what other people do in their bedrooms is a mental illness.

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Even if you just wanna watch em bang?


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I think alot of people would be happier if they could just be gay.

I would be.



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Being aroused by a vagina is literally the most foreign concept to me that I can I imagine. Its like being turned on by a surgical incision.


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yeah, man. love dat integument.

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Being aroused by a vagina is literally the most foreign concept to me that I can I imagine. Its like being turned on by a surgical incision.



Analytical thinking is anathema to enjoying the brains natural wiring.. (not implying that's how you are wired...)

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Yeah, but cocks are better


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I can't really fathom what I'd do with one that would be satisfying, given the hypothetical desire... I don't think I like things in my butt. I don't think I would like to choke on one. Even receiving best BJ still hasn't touched the sheer primal feeling of a properly seeding your mate, & the animalistic satisfaction of knowing you might've initiated the baby creation reaction. But clearly no ones about to change their mind on this.


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You already have ONE. It's the second one that you have problems with.


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What?


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So you don't view men as a potential source of close intimacy?




Not that kind, no.





Any thoughts why that is?

I'm not gay, but I see men and women as a potential source of close intimacy.

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    #24138449 - 03/05/17 11:21 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Like I said, it's a different kind of intimacy. I wasn't real close with my family growing up but I came to like guys as if they were my brothers. I felt closer to them than family more often than not. But there was never the same kind of emotional intimacy there. Love and closeness yes. Desire and attraction no.


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Being aroused by a vagina is literally the most foreign concept to me that I can I imagine. Its like being turned on by a surgical incision.










But yeah, pretty much, its unappealing.




You two made me reflect on a scene from Chasing Amy :lol:
"see, that's why I can't buy lesbians.  Everyone needs dick.  See, I can buy fags, a bunch of guys that need dick, just plain need it.  That I get.
Dykes?  Bullshit posturing.  But, live and let live I guess."



And for bonus, the standards around sex, virginity, and penetration

This scene always freaked me out a bit,
because she talks about a similar experience to my cousin's
which makes it seem like it is a more common occurrence than would be presumed

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