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Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web * 1
    #24082406 - 02/11/17 04:48 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I started these 2 grain jars from an LC I made up from a culture syringe I purchased. This is my first time working with Black Poplar. Before I get too much further with these jars I could use some opinions. I am having a hard time differentiating between Black Poplar Myc and Cob Web Type mold in these jars. I have read about the myc and its cottony appearance and have even done some agar cultures with this strain but this is my first LC with it. I would really appreciate some opinions on what this is.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24082509 - 02/11/17 05:29 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Doesn't look good to me mate


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24082680 - 02/11/17 06:56 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Have you grown Black Poplar Mushrooms before?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24082754 - 02/11/17 07:28 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Not on grain yet but have some on an agar plate. But the color looks off to me.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24082760 - 02/11/17 07:32 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I've done agar to grain. Looks a little questionable. Shake it up and see the bounce back.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: vatman]
    #24082990 - 02/11/17 08:56 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I shouldn't let it colonize a bit more than shake?
My perception of this species is that the myc is web like and can be confused with cob web type molds easily. But I have colonized cob web on many occasion and this has me worried.

I have a couple agar transfers to grain and they look like this but thinker. Hell, maybe I screw the pooch on the whole damn lot of um!


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24083008 - 02/11/17 09:07 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

If it super explode after its mold if it a recovery than your good. It doesn't look like it is calling bloody marry. For me LC looks questionable when first growing. The first set the jar on the right looks bad but in the second set they both look OK. So I'm saying qutionqble


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: vatman]
    #24083011 - 02/11/17 09:10 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Got it. I'll shake those fukers right now. :headbang:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24083404 - 02/12/17 12:33 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Looks fine


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: MorePies]
    #24085007 - 02/12/17 04:08 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks fine




I agree, they look perfectly fine to me. 

The right jar in the first pic looks a little greenish, but I'm guessing that's just a reflection or something in the photo.  If it really was green, I'm sure you wouldn't be asking us if it was ok :wink:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Forrester]
    #24085051 - 02/12/17 04:22 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks fine





The right jar in the first pic looks a little greenish, but I'm guessing that's just a reflection or something in the photo.  If it really was green, I'm sure you wouldn't be asking us if it was ok :wink:




Ooooooh, ok - on further inspection that does look like it could be a reflection.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Forrester]
    #24086590 - 02/13/17 09:29 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Looking at Cube Myc kinda trains your intuition against whispy, cottony wood myc. I shook them up on sat. I will check tonight and let you know what they look like.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24086817 - 02/13/17 11:36 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

They should be good. If it was mold you would have gotten an explosion of growth.

Aegerita doesn't really get a solid white untill fully colonized most of the time and working with LCs your growth tends to start off weaker but has more surface area for faster colonization times.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: vatman]
    #24087025 - 02/13/17 01:07 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

That would explain the greyish appearance. My agar transfers to grain were a bit whiter, but that was because they were thicker. I will post some picks tonight if things look off.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24087811 - 02/13/17 07:21 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

OK, here is the result after shaking the jars up on Saturday. I don't think I would call it an explosion, but it has definitely been recovering fast. I always have uncertainty with a new myc I'm working with. Especially when it is whispy, greyish and threadlike. Any opinions on this? I think it looks good, but I will default to anyone with experience colonizing Agrocybe Aegerita grain jars.:tongue: 


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24087826 - 02/13/17 07:31 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Looks good.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: vatman]
    #24087903 - 02/13/17 08:05 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks good.





Thank You! This also means the LC's I made are not contaminated, well, not apparently contaminated.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24087997 - 02/13/17 08:45 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

You'll know if it's cobweb that stuff colonises a jar in a few days.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24088060 - 02/13/17 09:06 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

I'll make note of that. I just have to figure out how to fruit my wood blocks. last summer I did a gaggle of shiitake blocks which wound up ruined. I put them outside and the hot temps kill um. I have SGFC. But that, I don't think will be successful. I am considering a Martha Closet, but again not sure if the time investment is worth the results. Any ideas would be helpful.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24088162 - 02/13/17 09:46 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

You can check out my GreenHouse Build and how well it worked for BSOY2 Oysters


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24089346 - 02/14/17 11:07 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Those are some nice grows. I am going to have to try this. Seems like it may take some time to figure everything out. If its ok I will hit you up as soon as I get some blocks germinating in a few oven bags. I'm on grain right now so give me about two weeks and then I will spawn the bags and start on the mini green house.

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24089804 - 02/14/17 02:05 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24090563 - 02/14/17 06:42 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24091711 - 02/15/17 12:58 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks good.





Thank You! This also means the LC's I made are not contaminated, well, not apparently contaminated.




Honestly I can't remember how thick Aegerita is supposed to look, and I can't tell much from those pics they're a little blurry and I can't see much.  My guess is they're probably fine though.

Lion's mane I do for sure remember - if you haven't grown it before, you will almost ALWAYS think it's cobweb while it's colonizing.  It never gets thick and solid white like other species, and in fact will often start pinning in the jar before it even looks the slightest bit thick.

A lot of people run into issues because they're waiting for it to "thicken up", and it will pin inside the jar before it does that.  So spawn just a bit sooner than you think you should.  Hopefully it will look fully colonized, but it may be really hard to tell.  If you do get pins before spawning, it's usually ok and you can spawn anyway, but with some practice you gotta learn to spawn RIGHT before they pin in the jar.

Lion's mane mycelium is extremely thin and whispy, probably nothing like most of what you've grown, and takes a bit of experience to get used to.  Even in bags it will often start fruiting before it looks (or is?) fully colonized.  If it does that, just cut small holes or x's where the fruits are and let them grow out of the holes.  Only 2-3 per bag I would recommend.  And wrap the bag really tight (almost airtight if it was possible) around the substrate, and tape it down.  Otherwise the lion's mane will top fruit and just fill your bag with crappy quality fruit that looks nothing like the nice puffballs you're used to seeing.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24127772 - 03/01/17 07:32 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

That is a pretty sweet grow. How big was the jar you fruited in? Kinda hard to tell from the pics.


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    #24127809 - 03/01/17 08:17 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

It's a 1.8lt jar. Around 6 inches diameter.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24127893 - 03/01/17 09:53 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Looks fine.

IME they need to grow over the grains before whitening up. So they grow greyish fastly, when they finished colonising I allways give them a 5 day resting (@ 24 C°) to get the superwhite look. Then they can go to the substrate/G2G/whatever you intend to do.

What is the next step, I hope you publish the final results here :smile:

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: moricz]
    #24128013 - 03/01/17 11:06 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I already started the next step. Took Pics and need to update. Didn't have filter bags so I made my own out of oven bags. It works for shiitake, but we will see for the Poplar. The myc did turn super white, but prolly could have used a few extra days. Will know for next time. I will update asap.

That Jar looked pretty good. I might try that too.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24129099 - 03/01/17 06:00 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I found that mine went white but not like oyster does and gets that marsh mellow look. Also much easier to break up the grain.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24129875 - 03/01/17 11:03 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Believe it or not I have already read your thread. You have your shit together, no lie. The problem I am having is they don't sell the old Martha Closet anymore. The only ones I could find are really reviewed like garbage from the posted reviews. Do you know any good martha type closets for sale anywhere?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24129947 - 03/01/17 11:42 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

This is what I use. It's called a 4 tier greenhouse and you can get them really cheap on ebay. Shelves probably aren't the strongest. So far so good though.




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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24130192 - 03/02/17 03:07 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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    #24131005 - 03/02/17 01:41 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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This is what I use. It's called a 4 tier greenhouse and you can get them really cheap on ebay. Shelves probably aren't the strongest. So far so good though.







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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24132151 - 03/02/17 10:01 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

That thing looks freakn sweet. Lots of space too. Do you have a link? Also, looks like you have humidity hooked up. Does that come with it or did you self create a system? Like TravelAgency. She/he has a nice set up from what I can tell.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24132377 - 03/02/17 11:38 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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This is what I use. It's called a 4 tier greenhouse and you can get them really cheap on ebay. Shelves probably aren't the strongest. So far so good though.







Those things work great, but don't last long.  One good year, maybe two if you're lucky.  After that the cheap shelving starts to rust and mine got an un-cleanable "film" of some sort on the clear plastic, nothing would take it off.

For the price though, it's worth it - just toss it and buy a new one for $30

I was surprised how much the shelves on mine did hold without collapsing, I had like 10 species fruiting in there at the same time at one point, don't remember how many bags total.

But they do have a limit - I think it was a member named Amanita Virosa? that posted a pic of one he loaded up with bags for colonizing, and it completely collapsed.  Disaster! :lol:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24132399 - 03/02/17 11:50 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Here is an update of my Grow on this thread. Mycobags are in the mail, so the spawn that was ready had to go to the ole trusty Reynolds oven bag "Muffler Tek".


These were the original LC jars that I was worried about in the beginning having Cob Web. They turned out fine and they were ready to go to the oven bags.

I am not going to go into the specifics of the "Muffler Tek" because this is suppose to be a grow log of sorts. But if anyone would like to know how I do it just ask. I have been highly successful with Shiitake mushrooms with this tek. The AA strain is a first so I have no idea how this is going to work out. I am worried because the addition of Bran, which was not in the Shiitake Sub recipe makes the Contam rate higher, so they may fail, but ya gotta try to find out.

One with Oak wood shavings, Wheat Bran, and water, The Other was the same recipe but with maple saw dust added to see if it would make a difference. The Sub was mixed and put in the oven bags. The bags were PC'd carfully because they will have holes burnt in them if not done right. These bags cooled and were ready for spawn and a muffler.


Clean the jars and shake them up.


In the bag they go. Carefully and hopefully remaining sterile.


Throw a muffler on it. Stuffed with polyfill of course and fully sterilized.


Gotta put them in something so they have a shape. I used an old porta cooler and a pot for the other one.





Two bags with "Muffler" filters. Time to let them sit for a few weeks under my bed or in a closet.


These are the Rye Grain jars inoc'd with agar wedges. Moving slow but still moving. I didn't shake them because I wanted to see the colonization rate compared with crack corn. These jar still have a another week or so until they are ready.



This is the crack corn I inoculated with an LC. It colonized faster then the Rye Grain by 3 times. LC and crack corn together. You can't get much faster colonization rates then with these two combined, unless your into slurry innoculations, which I have shy'd away from. These will be ready to go into Myco bags or "Muffler Tek'd" in about a week.


I will update when I put these in myco or oven bags. Thanks for reading. Wouldn't make any sense to do a grow log if no one was going to read it. :dancer:


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Forrester]
    #24132401 - 03/02/17 11:51 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

If you buy one now or the bigger ones they don't last lf you use them. But in the fall I get them 80% off at big lots stock up then get little ones for 7 bucks and big 12 shelf ones for 16 bucks. For the mold film that covers the plastic use paint thinner its the only thing that works


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24134198 - 03/03/17 07:14 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Here is an update of my Grow on this thread. Mycobags are in the mail, so the spawn that was ready had to go to the ole trusty Reynolds oven bag "Muffler Tek".


These were the original LC jars that I was worried about in the beginning having Cob Web. They turned out fine and they were ready to go to the oven bags.

I am not going to go into the specifics of the "Muffler Tek" because this is suppose to be a grow log of sorts. But if anyone would like to know how I do it just ask. I have been highly successful with Shiitake mushrooms with this tek. The AA strain is a first so I have no idea how this is going to work out. I am worried because the addition of Bran, which was not in the Shiitake Sub recipe makes the Contam rate higher, so they may fail, but ya gotta try to find out.

One with Oak wood shavings, Wheat Bran, and water, The Other was the same recipe but with maple saw dust added to see if it would make a difference. The Sub was mixed and put in the oven bags. The bags were PC'd carfully because they will have holes burnt in them if not done right. These bags cooled and were ready for spawn and a muffler.


Clean the jars and shake them up.


In the bag they go. Carefully and hopefully remaining sterile.


Throw a muffler on it. Stuffed with polyfill of course and fully sterilized.


Gotta put them in something so they have a shape. I used an old porta cooler and a pot for the other one.





Two bags with "Muffler" filters. Time to let them sit for a few weeks under my bed or in a closet.


These are the Rye Grain jars inoc'd with agar wedges. Moving slow but still moving. I didn't shake them because I wanted to see the colonization rate compared with crack corn. These jar still have a another week or so until they are ready.



This is the crack corn I inoculated with an LC. It colonized faster then the Rye Grain by 3 times. LC and crack corn together. You can't get much faster colonization rates then with these two combined, unless your into slurry innoculations, which I have shy'd away from. These will be ready to go into Myco bags or "Muffler Tek'd" in about a week.


I will update when I put these in myco or oven bags. Thanks for reading. Wouldn't make any sense to do a grow log if no one was going to read it. :dancer:





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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24134325 - 03/03/17 08:16 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

No I built the greenhouse controller myself using an arduino micro controller. It controls lighting, humidity, temp, and the pump for the misters. I'm still dialling it in atm and I will make a post once everything is working well.

I'm sure with a bit a reinforcement you could make those greenhouses survive.

I'm not familiar with that tek but how are you keeping it sterile with those cardboard roles.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24136112 - 03/04/17 02:36 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

You sterilize them in a PC. You can't find the tek because I have not posted it yet. "Muffler" Tek works with Shiitake, but I do not know about AA. So this is kind of an experiment.

I will draft it now. Give me 1/2 hour and it will be posted.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: filyep]
    #24136474 - 03/04/17 05:12 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

There ya go. I posted the tek at this link. I hope you try it. If so let me know how it goes.

"Muffler Tek",
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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24149569 - 03/09/17 08:40 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Just an update on my Black Poplar grow. Filter bags came in so I am prepping them for spawn.

Jars look good.


2 are corn that I inoc'd with an LC, and 2 are grain that I put an agar wedge in.


Corn was inoculated 2 weeks after the Rye Grain and it passed the Rye grain right quick.


Rye Grain with agar are just finishing up. In all fairness I didn't shake them. That would have sped things up.


Put some oak shavings in a bowl.


Like so.


Added some maple saw dust. Gypsum and water was added.


Mixed it up.


Bagged it.


According fold on the bag.


Pressure cooked for 2 hours. The plate holds things down nice.


Put it on the shelf to cool.


Same with the 2nd batch but I added Bran.


and a table spoon of spent coffee grounds to mix things up.


If you look close you can see the coffee peppered all through the substrate.


Second bag ready to go.


I try to remember this Tupperware in the bottom of the pc to prevent burning of the bags.


2nd bag ready to go. I will up date as soon as they cool down and are ready to get some spawn.

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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24149813 - 03/09/17 10:24 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Nice work dude!  Simple plates are an often overlooked, but quite valuable tool in mushroom growing :laugh:  I use 'em in the pressure cooker, as well as on top of substrates in 5 gallon buckets.  Holds everything down keeping it all nice and compact (and preventing top fruiting when used in buckets!)


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Forrester]
    #24149918 - 03/09/17 11:09 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks. Preciate the words. You gonna have to link me to that bucket idea. I have some torks growing in LC right now that could use a tek like that.


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    #24149953 - 03/09/17 11:30 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Shit, a tek?  Guess I never bothered!

Not much to it, I just had to scale down the amount of water:pellet ratio that I did in my bags (I grew on pretty much only wood pellets).

So here's a lazy tek, haha...

Pellets vary in moisture content so your results may vary depending on what brand you buy, but try and try again.

Anyway my bag recipe was always 5.5 cups water to 6 cups pellets IIRC.  To fill a bucket, what was it... oh wait, I think I have a pic here...



The unit of measurement is cups, that one says 24 cups pellets to 22 cups water, but I believe I ended up using less water later on.  One way you can protect from over watering is to drill a hole in the bottom of the bucket to allow excess water to drain out as it colonizes.

Anyway, all else there is to it is your regular ol' "bucket-tek" - pour boiling water over dry pellets right in a bucket with no holes.  In the morning, when it's cooled down, transfer to your bucket that you've drilled 3/8" - 1/2" holes in (you can see the spacing in the pic).  But first, line the holed bucket with a clear kitchen trash bag.  This will keep the substrate from falling out while it colonizes.  Right after mixing in all the spawn with the pellets, cut x's where all the holes are in the bucket.  And make sure to cut a nice hole in the bag where you've drilled the hole in the bottom of the bucket, again so excess water can drain out.  Now - wait.  That's it.  If you've got a fruiting chamber the bucket will fit in, great.  If not, I've fruited them right on the kitchen counter or outdoors, long as you got any humidity at all.  And you can mist the fuck out of them all you want, it only helps.  This is for all oysters mostly, but it works well for others, I've done it with turkey tails...



Pretty cool, and easy.  Should work for reishi, and who knows what else?


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    #24150231 - 03/10/17 01:48 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Nice TurkeyTail bucket Forrester! I've actually never seen one before!

Have you had any heat death issues with the buckets? I keep reading about all the heat related issues with buckets yet keep seeing pictorial evidence of successes. Do you know what kind of BE you were getting with those vs bags?


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Forrester]
    #24150727 - 03/10/17 10:01 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

That's looks great. Imma definitely have to try it. I don't think it would work for torks or black poplar though. Its more conducive to a shelf or cluster mushroom.


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    #24151570 - 03/10/17 04:18 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

just wanted to post in this thread to say I also have some cobweb looking piopinno going - though it was inoculated among a whole bunch of other strains as is the only one to look this way. This thread makes me less fearful for this batch :smile:


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    #24151658 - 03/10/17 04:54 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

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Nice TurkeyTail bucket Forrester! I've actually never seen one before!

Have you had any heat death issues with the buckets? I keep reading about all the heat related issues with buckets yet keep seeing pictorial evidence of successes. Do you know what kind of BE you were getting with those vs bags?




No heat issues, since you've got all those holes drilled and plenty of ventilation occurs thru them (since you cut holes in the lining bag as well - AT SPAWNING, NOT after colonization).  Maybe if you let them colonize outdoors in extreme heat you would see problems, but I never has issues!  Lots of airflow thru all those holes.

As far as BE, I was always just a hobbyist trying to see what new, fun things I could do, so I never worried about BE, and never bothered trying to calculate it, sorry no help there!  I do know they continue to produce lots of flushes, especially if you bury the substrate after you get the first 2 flushes, you'll get mushrooms out of the ground for several years.  Well chopped straw packed in there nice and tight instead of pellets I think would produce huge flushes, faster, and I imagine get pretty good BE.  Once the substrate shrinks too much to fruit out the holes, you can just pull the whole thing out by the liner bag and let it fruit straight out of the bag and re-use the bucket for a new grow.

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That's looks great. Imma definitely have to try it. I don't think it would work for torks or black poplar though. Its more conducive to a shelf or cluster mushroom.




I would have to agree - don't think it would work for either of those.  Oysters and shelf types are best.  Lion's mane though?  I think might be a really good one to try.  It does a great job fruiting out of holes.  Next on my list, if I ever get back into mushroom growing.


Sorry if I've de-railed this thread, I'll stop and anyone can feel free to PM me with any off-topic questions :smile:  Check out my gallery if you're bored, there's some cool stuff in there back when I was experimenting.


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Re: Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Forrester]
    #24151843 - 03/10/17 06:16 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Ahhh fuck it, its my thread, I'll get the viewers back on track with an update tonight. Yeah, I think a "bears head tooth" grow out of one of these bucket's is my near future, real near future. I gotta get a clean slant going so I can jump on the vvvv gets a (edible culture) thread.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24154795 - 03/11/17 08:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

Hi All, just wanted to let you guys know I appreciate you checking out my grow log. I need to put a bit of a disclaimer out there. Although I have been doing this off and on for a while now, I still fail as much as I succeed, maybe even a little more. I experiment, change things up and am always trying new things. So If you follow this grow log please don't be disappointed if some of my end product is "Forrest Green", "Cob Web surprise", appears  "HIV Positive" or is disgusting beyond anything you've never seen before. That's just how I roll. :stirthepot:

With that said, I continued to prep another myco bag for my Black Poplar spawn. The "Crack Corn" I inoculated with LC turned out great. I was really pleased it all seemed contam free. The one below is as white as the driven Snow.



Finished up a third bag in the PC. I really switched it up, threw some egg shells in, gypsum, bran, oak, maple...


I put all 3 bags in my glove box, but it was way too cramped in there. I still was able to to take the lid off of the Spawn and filled all three bags with a third of the jar.




All three had equal amounts as best as I could guestimate.


I didn't mix the spawn in until I sealed the bags, then mixed pretty well. The one in the middle sucked a lot of air in at some point. Not sure if that one is gonna make it through the week, no less until the end of the grow.


I know what your saying, "He didn't, did he?"


Oh yes I did! Prepped another oven bag for the Muffler Tek! Why you ask. Because the first 2 I did I used bran, and I didn't think I gave them a fair chance, seeing as is it is not a sterile path to take. Therefore I just put wood and gypsum in it this time. It was a massive bag of wood.



It was so big I had to spawn it in open air. The Crack Corn is not a very shakable grain. Therefore I had to use a screw driver that I PC"d in tin foil and wiped with bleach.


Spawn was very fluffy on top.

Broke it up with the screw driver.


Looked very contam free as I went through it. Set the lid on without screwing it down.


Prepped and PC'd the muffler and cut the foil for insertion.


I doubled the oven bag before I PC'd it, because I didn't have anything big enough to put the bag in to prevent burning or melting while in the PC.


I took the outer bag off. Seems like it is impossible not to have an exchange of moisture while being PC'd. Nothing new.


Got the bag ready.


Inserted the spawn jar carefully.


Shake like hell.


Slide the jar back out.




The end of my muffler got wet. Never saw that before. I guess I should have put it in a bag of sorts. Will know for next time...If there is a next time.


Rubber Band it, at least 3 times.


Muffler intact, a little soggy, but still usable. It was only the one end and it was a long tube filled all the way through with polyfil. I just stuck the wet end out. No harm no foul.


Time to mix up the spawn



All done. Well, that makes 3 filter patch bags done, and 3 Oven Bags with mufflers. So I have six colonizing. Well, I hope they colonize. No guarantees in this game. I have some Filter bags with injection ports. I think the odds will be more in my favor if I use those with the LC. Give me a day or two. I will get some going.

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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24171002 - 03/17/17 10:54 PM (4 years, 7 months ago)

I wanted to update and ask a bit of help from anyone who has either grow the Black Poplar or has run into the problems that I have currently ran into. First the update on the "Muffler Tek" blocks that I grew in the oven bags:



The first is the block that I put in the cooler. It appears to be doing fine. About 100% colonized with about a quarter inch of wood on top that seems a bit dry. I put it in upside down last night and it seems to be finishing up well.


Although it seems like the myc is starting to colonize that last 1/4 inch of wood that looks dry, I have contemplated opening the bag and spraying it with sterilized water. Any thoughts on this???


The next bag is the oven bag I stuck in the pot. Now this one I personally messed up on. I put this under my bed to colonize. I forgot that their is a heat vent under my bed which cooked the wood sticking out of the pot.


I turned the block around to show all sides. Some were sticking out higher then the others.
See the myc seeping out. I didn't cover this bag well in the PC so it probably got a burn from the PC wall.

Some sides were not colonized very well at all. I would like to open this bag and spray water on these wood shavings. Hopefully that would entice the myc to finish colonizing the block. I don't want to contaminate it, but because its only wood???

This side in particular. Its too dry. Either I scrap it or I try to get it wet. I could use some opinions.

Also, this is the first time I have made black poplar blocks, I really have no idea when the block is suppose to be done. Should I wait for knots, or browning or what? If any one knows when the best time to fruit these is Please jump in. :irishtoast: Happy St. Patty's day!


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24171851 - 03/18/17 11:18 AM (4 years, 7 months ago)

These are the bags I spawned last week with the crack corn jars of Black Poplar. Looks like they will be ready in another week or two.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24174452 - 03/19/17 12:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I went ahead and rinsed out a spray bottle, put some H2O2 in it and swooshed it around a bit, dumped out the peroxide and filled with distilled water. Then I sprayed the tops and parts of each block that were dried out. Now they are rehydrated. I put them in my portable green house, for the lulz. No real reason, but for it came in the mail, I put it together and it was there. Not fruiting yet so I guess it didn't matter.

I guess we will see if this was a good idea or not. I am doubting it will contam, but I have been wrong in the past, sometimes on a pretty consistent basis, and I will be wrong in the future. I am just having fun. So it doesn't matter.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24175060 - 03/19/17 04:24 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I've actually seen a lot of success with that species by doing monotubs like people use for cubes but have no first hand experience with it.

I recommend checking out my GreenHouse Build to see how I dialed in my GreenHouse. With Pioppino trays in that GH should work really well- you could even wait till those colonize and use it as spawn for a bunch of trays if you can pick up some fans and a fogger in time.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24175147 - 03/19/17 04:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Do you mean growing in the monotub substrate, or using a mono as a fruiting chamber?


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24175189 - 03/19/17 05:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Hey TA, what's up. Haven't seen you in a while in my AA grow thread, but I was hoping to get your advise. I set up a portable greenhouse.


I have two questions, because I believe you know the answers from your threads. Do I need to cover the bottom, like put plastic on the floor to seal the bottom, or is it good that it is open for FAE?

Second question, do I need to put a fogger in this or anything else? Can I just spray it to keep things humid or is a fogger necessary, or is any other equipment necessary?

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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24175192 - 03/19/17 05:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

What species are you growing?

Yes you will need a fogger or humidifier of some sort.

You will need a much higher FAE, especially if growing oysters. I have a fan ducting in and one ducting outside.

It looks like you are on a type of tile so a bottom catch isn't necessary (more for keeping carp t clean). However is you end up having humidity problems you may want to to try to seal it to keep dry air from being sucked in (after you have fans for FAE).


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24175267 - 03/19/17 05:34 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

If you wait for your blocks to colonize you could crumble them and spawn them into monos- but if you have the ability to upgrade your GH I'd say go that route and crumble them into trays.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log Agrocybe Aegerita or Cob Web [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24175459 - 03/19/17 06:25 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That's pretty crazy, not a lot of mushies take to monotubs. This would only be the second that I heard of, Reshi being the 1st. Do you think it would be possible to fruit these as blocks and then when they appear exhausted, or almost exhausted crumbling them up or LI smoothie them into a monotub, like people try with cakes? I wasn't sure if waiting until they are about exhausted as blocks would impact them on colonizing new substrate in a monotub.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log 3-20 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24178894 - 03/20/17 10:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I had a couple more bags of oak sub sterilized and ready to be spawned. Both of these bags had coffee gounds, egg shells, and a few other nutes to their mixture. I wrote on each one what was in it with a black perm marker and the PC still took it right off. I guess I will have to rethink how their marked.



I just used one jar of spawn. The Rye grains were innoc. with an agar wedge of Black Poplar myc, hence the title of my grow log, AA. The jars were left to consolidate an extra week or two after 100% colonization.


I shook the jars up pretty good. You can still see the little piece of agar in the jar. Sucked dry. lol



I prepped these bags a little differently. This is a variation of how RR does his bags in the video. The sub went in and I cut off a foot from my tyvek suit and put it over the opening. Well, I cut off both feet.


Then I accordion style folded them down. Like so:

Wrapped in rubber bands to hold them in place.


I opened the bags, which were still a bit of accordion like. I really like this method. Keeps everything neat, usable and sterile.


I dumped the sub in each bag and broke up the pieces.


I heat seal each bag with my food saver vaccum sealer. It has a seal only mode. Works great for these bags. Mixing up the sub and spawn turns it into a blob because the bag only has a little bit of air in it.

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Re: UPDATE of my grow log 3-20 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24179003 - 03/20/17 11:40 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Nice mate! Look forward to seeing your progress. Now's the time to upgrade your Greenhouse! When you fruit black poplar/Pioppino/AA you want to top fruit if you are going to fruit from the blocks. But I'm telling you- using one of those as sawdust spawn will generate enough trays to take up your entire GH. I have no experience other than on Agar with Piopinno but from what I have read about it I really think getting your GH dialed in and spawning them into trays would be quite fruitful for you. Looking forward to see what comes! Love your dedication mate!


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log 3-20 [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24179876 - 03/21/17 11:45 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks. I appreciate the advice. I think I will follow it and spawn one of the original blocks to a couple trays. I have 6 bags spawned right now, and a couple experiments I want to try, which I will post on the grow log. Before I fruit any of the bags I need to work on dialing the GH in, like you said. I have a humidifier, which I cleaned up last night. It works well, but I am a little concerned that the steam may heat the GH temperature up too high. Do you find this to be a problem? I believe you used a fogger in yours so I wasn't sure if you would have heat problems or not.
The guide and post all say a cooler fruiting temp for the AA, like 60-65F, or lower. Besides the humidifier, fans for FAE and indirect light, can you think of anything else I should do? Like a cold shock on them or something else?


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    #24180299 - 03/21/17 02:37 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: UPDATE of my grow log 3-20 [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24183541 - 03/22/17 04:37 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Let me know if you have any Tek's to follow on the tray method with these Poplar's. If not, I'll just wing it. :thumbup:


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    #24183578 - 03/22/17 04:48 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly I'd just ensure you have at least a 4in depth of substrate- maybe 6in. Once again I haven't done this myself so I'm not 100% on it just going off of a few things I've read.  You can do a low spawn ratio too usin. Sawdust so just 1 o those blocks you can probably spawn into enough trays to fill you GH.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log 3-20 [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24183634 - 03/22/17 05:03 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I'm wondering if I should put supplements in it, like coffee grains, bran, etc. It will probably raise the contam risk factor but with a lower spawn ratio I am thinking they will need the nutes in those trays. Do you know if I am suppose to cold shock these blocks before fruiting them. I can't find reliable info on this variety with cold shocking.


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    #24183670 - 03/22/17 05:14 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

If you supplement you must sterilize- better to do that at the initial bag phase. I've had a lot of luck with unsupplemented oysters so I'd say you'd be fine. I don't know about cold shocking with this species :shrug:


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    #24183704 - 03/22/17 05:27 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that's what I have been doing with all of these bags. Sterilize for a few hours. I guess I will cold shock a few and see how the results go compared to the others going strait into fruiting.


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Re: UPDATE of my grow log 3-20 [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24184640 - 03/23/17 12:09 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I will try to side by side each block and tray I do differently. I really was putting some effort in labeling the different ingredients in each bag on the outside with black marker. I didn't realize the electric PC took it right off. If I get lucky and none of them contam I will be straight with what I can mix in.


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Re: Quick UPDATE of my grow log 3-22 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24184699 - 03/23/17 12:54 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

I just wanted to post the progress of the last "oven bag" block I spawned with black poplar about a week ago. I put a considerable amount of sub in this Reynolds Oven Bag. I could have put more in, because these bags are used for cooking turkeys. I stuck a Muffler on it as you can see earlier in this grow log. This bag was put in a lighting cycle of 12 hours on and 12 hours off.

I thought it was doing good given its oven bag handicap. I did run into a small problem. The myc appeared to be either consuming the water quicker then I had anticipated, I was a little off on field capacity, or the bag allows moisture to seep out. Just seemed a little bit dry on the outer most layer. Not much, but I decided to address it anyways.


It was colonized enough I felt comfortable taking off the muffler and spraying it with distilled water.


I soaked it pretty good because the other two oven bag blocks that I sprayed became a little dry after 3-4 days.

I decided to spray them a second time today too.


On the plus side the extra moisture is helping them to finish colonizing the oak wood shavings. That was another theory I had. That the use of "wood shavings" in the place of saw dust allows space and air flow between and through the sub. This could account for evaporation in the oven bag because the filters were not packed tight.

They were sprayed heavily. Might have to let some water out if it is sitting and not absorbed by the block. We'll see.

Oh Yeah! I almost forgot. My AA 921 came in the mail. This thing is like a piece of machinery. I was not expecting it to be this big. I have to say that I could actually put my electric PC inside of the 921 and sterilize it. lol  It even came with a CD on how to use it.

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Re: Quick UPDATE of my grow log 3-22 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24189324 - 03/24/17 05:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

You don't need to cold shock them just pop them straight into your greenhouse. A lot of the time they pin invitro.

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Re: Quick UPDATE of my grow log 3-22 [Re: filyep]
    #24189749 - 03/24/17 08:30 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't need to cold shock them just pop them straight into your greenhouse. A lot of the time they pin invitro.

I might try a tray grow today myself actually.




Good to hear. I may try cold shocking one of them, just to see if it fruits quicker, but I won't waste my time doing it on all of them.
BTW, you pic didn't post.
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    #24190169 - 03/24/17 10:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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You don't need to cold shock them just pop them straight into your greenhouse. A lot of the time they pin invitro.




+1 on that.  You shouldn't need to cold shock them at all.  When they're ready to fruit, it will be hard to stop them from doing so (unless your conditions suck or something).  Cold shocking might just slow them down.


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Re: Quick UPDATE of my grow log 3-22 [Re: Forrester]
    #24191096 - 03/25/17 10:00 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I got that. The problem I am wrestling with is the fruiting conditions. Some fruit in the bag, while most cut the top off. The info I have read says the AA likes to have a casing layer. wasn't sure if I should go through the trouble. These block are not enormous or anything. Not really sure there is a need to case. Also, I am not sure if I should give a week after 100% colonization to consolidate, seeing as the sub is wood and all.


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24193093 - 03/25/17 10:36 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Things are moving along in different stages. I had some progress on some of the dry bags and some "not progress" on one bag in particular.
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This is the Green House. I don't have anything ready to fruit so there is not a humidifier in it yet, but I am using it as an incubation station. I still have a colonized jar of grain and some aging colonized agar plates that need used up or thrown out. So I will be doing a few more bags.


These are the three bags I inoculated about 3 weeks ago. They look like they are going well and will be done in a week, well except for the last one which I think is contaminated. :whatever:



The outside edges look 100% colonized and are nice and white. I need to make sure the middle of each bag is done. So they get another week.



This one looks contaminated with mold? This is one of the only bags I presoaked the oak shavings in a pot with coffee water. Seems like the coffee water may have made the bag susceptible to molding. Any opinions, please jump in. I am always up for an opinion.



This block is 100% colonized and consolidated, but it had some dry oak shavings on top. About a 1/4 inch of it. I just felt that it could finish if I sprayed some water on it. It looks to be finishing up just fine. Not sure if you can see it through the bag. :whoyougonnacall:



This is the behemoth oven bag that I inoculated. It seemed to be drying a little on the sides so I opened it and took the "muffler" off and sprayed it. Seems to be doing good. Still needs two weeks to finish up.



These are the two bags I put coffee in with the oak shavings. I just inoculated them last weekend.



Each of them has lots of inoculation points where the grains are. looks great. 3 more weeks and ready to fruit. :naughty:



This is the oven bag with a "muffler" that I put in a pot and placed under my bed. It dried out significantly because of the heating vent under my bed. I sprayed the heck out of it. Not sure what it is doing, if anything. This will be getting broken up and put into trays. I would like it to finish first, if possible.

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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24193831 - 03/26/17 08:11 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard to tell by the pics, but I don't see any glaring contamination in the one you mentioned, maybe I'm missing it?  Coffee often does cause problems.

I wouldn't bother casing with this species, I never did and got great flushes, without having to clean of casing layer crap to eat them.  But that's one of those matter of opinion things, some like to case, some don't.  This species should do fine either way.


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    #24193887 - 03/26/17 08:52 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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It's hard to tell by the pics, but I don't see any glaring contamination in the one you mentioned, maybe I'm missing it?  Coffee often does cause problems.

I wouldn't bother casing with this species, I never did and got great flushes, without having to clean of casing layer crap to eat them.  But that's one of those matter of opinion things, some like to case, some don't.  This species should do fine either way.




Just seconding this - a lot of the grows I've been looking at have been very successful with . here's a pretty awesome recent one uncased-  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23848524/fpart/1/vc/1

also - on youtube I saw Mushfarmer's piopinno grow fail when he used a casing. He did not try it without a casing though  and was also dealing with some contam issues in his fruiting room at the time iirc. 

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    #24193979 - 03/26/17 10:04 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the insight and opinions. Maybe it is not contaminated. Looks like contam from my point of view, or it could be some funky type of myc. I will update/post that bag in a few days and maybe we can tell for certain.
I was going by stamets' directions in GGMM. It seems like wherever I look for information on this species they either quote, mention or cite indirectly stamets' information in GGMM. But "Enlightenments" grow was without casing, and so were the other grow logs I have looked at. So I will probably avoid it all together, or like I posted earlier, maybe one bag will get a casing.
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    #24195011 - 03/26/17 05:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I was going by stamets' directions in GGMM. It seems like wherever I look for information on this species they either quote, mention or cite indirectly stamets' information in GGMM.




I may get flamed for this, but it's just my opinion.  That book is severely outdated (well, that's not my opinion, that's just true, it's old as shit). 

My opinion is that Stamets is a fucking douchey greedy bastard who's only in it for the money.  Who would write a whole book on "mycoremediation", and then sue people who used the technique, claiming he had a patent on it (which I believe, he actually did...).  So why write a book teaching people how to do it?  Just so you can make money on the book, get a patent on the method/idea, and then make more money suing people who actually try to use it for good? 

That's the definition of a fucking greedy douchebag.  There's at least one long standing member on here that has been threatened by Stamet's lawyers that he would be sued if he did not cease and desist his operation (which he was not making any money doing as far as I know, it was a community project to help clean up a nasty, oil polluted area and teach others about mycoremediation.  Just to get threatened by a lawsuit from Stamets.

If he's on here (the shroomery member I will not name) and wishes to correct my bad memory in any of the details I got wrong, I hope he chimes in to correct, I'm just going off memory.  But anyway, that book is outdated and more or less useless to anyone but the novice grower.  Instead of wasting your money on that, you can learn far more newer, updated, better information for free, right here on the shroomery, without having to support a greedy, sue-happy bastard who tries to patent everything he does.

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    #24195281 - 03/26/17 07:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I was going by stamets' directions in GGMM. It seems like wherever I look for information on this species they either quote, mention or cite indirectly stamets' information in GGMM.




I may get flamed for this, but it's just my opinion.  That book is severely outdated (well, that's not my opinion, that's just true, it's old as shit). 

My opinion is that Stamets is a fucking douchey greedy bastard who's only in it for the money.  Who would write a whole book on "mycoremediation", and then sue people who used the technique, claiming he had a patent on it (which I believe, he actually did...).  So why write a book teaching people how to do it?  Just so you can make money on the book, get a patent on the method/idea, and then make more money suing people who actually try to use it for good? 

That's the definition of a fucking greedy douchebag.  There's at least one long standing member on here that has been threatened by Stamet's lawyers that he would be sued if he did not cease and desist his operation (which he was not making any money doing as far as I know, it was a community project to help clean up a nasty, oil polluted area and teach others about mycoremediation.  Just to get threatened by a lawsuit from Stamets.

If he's on here (the shroomery member I will not name) and wishes to correct my bad memory in any of the details I got wrong, I hope he chimes in to correct, I'm just going off memory.  But anyway, that book is outdated and more or less useless to anyone but the novice grower.  Instead of wasting your money on that, you can learn far more newer, updated, better information for free, right here on the shroomery, without having to support a greedy, sue-happy bastard who tries to patent everything he does.

Sorry, /rant.





You have nothing to be sorry about. I fucking love it. I had a professor once who told me, "if you have opinions your gonna have enemies!" So anyone who is willing to speak their opinion, especially on a taboo topic, i.e. the godfather of mushies being a douchbag, in a community who pseudo worships him, meaning they practice his methods and reference him weekly, if not daily, with careless disregard for potential conflict, is a brave soul who I would certainly hold in high regard. So hurrah to you bro.
As far as the opinion itself, I don't know enough about the topic, or history thereof to praise Stamet's or tell him to suck a bag of dicks. With that said, it would be nice if whoever the member is that your referring to would chime in.


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I was going by stamets' directions in GGMM. It seems like wherever I look for information on this species they either quote, mention or cite indirectly stamets' information in GGMM.




I may get flamed for this, but it's just my opinion.  That book is severely outdated (well, that's not my opinion, that's just true, it's old as shit). 

My opinion is that Stamets is a fucking douchey greedy bastard who's only in it for the money.  Who would write a whole book on "mycoremediation", and then sue people who used the technique, claiming he had a patent on it (which I believe, he actually did...).  So why write a book teaching people how to do it?  Just so you can make money on the book, get a patent on the method/idea, and then make more money suing people who actually try to use it for good? 

That's the definition of a fucking greedy douchebag.  There's at least one long standing member on here that has been threatened by Stamet's lawyers that he would be sued if he did not cease and desist his operation (which he was not making any money doing as far as I know, it was a community project to help clean up a nasty, oil polluted area and teach others about mycoremediation.  Just to get threatened by a lawsuit from Stamets.

If he's on here (the shroomery member I will not name) and wishes to correct my bad memory in any of the details I got wrong, I hope he chimes in to correct, I'm just going off memory.  But anyway, that book is outdated and more or less useless to anyone but the novice grower.  Instead of wasting your money on that, you can learn far more newer, updated, better information for free, right here on the shroomery, without having to support a greedy, sue-happy bastard who tries to patent everything he does.

Sorry, /rant.




So is this story about the oil spill suing somewhere on here? I know you don't want to name anyone, but it seems a bit far fetched, not completely unbelievable though.


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    #24195501 - 03/26/17 08:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not sure what oil spill suing you're referring to, but it doesn't sound like the situation I was referring to.  Anyway, I don't think he cares about what he posted, he withheld what info he didn't want to give, so just search for posts by Amanita Virosa about mycoremediation, I think it was him.  Could be wrong and it was someone else, but I'm pretty sure...

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I will check that out:thumbup: Yeah I dont know why I said that, dumb:sad:


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    #24196060 - 03/27/17 01:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Looked for that topic and found it here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18089333/fpart/1/vc/1
Looks like he was scared to be sued by Stamets but nothing actually happened or does it continue somewhere else?
I don't know much about US patents, but that patent only seems to be about the use of burlap bags?

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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: DutchMyco]
    #24198384 - 03/28/17 12:08 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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DutchMyco said:
Looked for that topic and found it here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18089333/fpart/1/vc/1
I don't know much about US patents, but that patent only seems to be about the use of burlap bags?

I've read more negative posts about Stamets here, but can hardly find anything specific.




No offense Dutch, but your an idiot. It would appear that your just posting to post because you like the guy. It would also appear you did not read the thread or the patent that was cited and linked in the thread. With that said, Forrester's opinion may have been on facts not completely verified, and/or not entirely know to the posters in the thread. What happens is a complete pissing party on someone when it hasn't been entirely established there is a reason for a pissing party. It happens in online chats and threads. No way around it.
    As far as Forrester's opinion, well I don't believe in suppressing opinions. Just as long as the opinion is for a good reason, whether the opinion is negative or positive is irrelevant. So opinion all you want on my thread, just make sure its for a good reason. Forrester's opinion was for a good reason. It should have been a little more planned and fact checked, but the opinion was based on enough relevant facts that it was worth a little research on. Also, someone publicly promoting an ideology, i.e. helping the planet by developing methods to introduce fungal and mycelial related systems to break down pollutants and/or restore natural habitat, who turns around and patents such ideas and then uses litigation to punish those attempting to introduce those methods for the betterment of mankind and the planet is a good reason for an opinion.
      With that said, the thread did become a pissing party based on what appears to be a notion of the threat of law suit. The poster did not actually go on to cite the resources of where that type of law suit was initiated, therefore there is an unknown element. This often leads to the erroneous judging of the opinion. What can be directly referenced from the patent is that the ideology behind the patent, the method used in the patent, and the applicable constituents. DutchMyco, your an idiot because you didn't read the patent. To say that the Patent was only about burlap bags is to say that outer space is only about asteroids. Which is fucking stupid. Additionally, to say that there are only negative posts on the thread with nothing specific...see previous analogy. What the poster's are ranting about is pretty damn specific.
  In a sense we have to appreciate what the patent is based on. It took years of research and work to come up with the methods used as well as gathering the information to prove that the methods are practical, practicable and produces the results claimed. Additionally, it was smart of Stamets to patent such a thing. Why, because some large corporation may have developed the idea and shelved it, for any number of reasons. Kind of like cars that run on water and other inventions positive to society which have been patented and locked away, far away from the public eye. Although, he may have been a little to thorough. He claims just about every species and variety of myc, material that can be used, not just burlap bags...and method of implementation, so as to corner the market. Is that good or bad, who knows such things.
  In conclusion, its ok to have an opinion Forrester, next time fact check it a bit before you throw it out there, we still don't know if Stamets' filed those particular type of law suits and for what reason, or if he made the threat of those suits which would justify the opinion, so he could still be a hero to us all for getting the patent or he may have sold out his own ideology for $$$. We just don't know. And last, Mr. Dutchoven you post the link to the thread (containing the patent link) and then don't read it before you tell everybody what its about. Come on man, really?  :stonedjerk:

Until, and unless someone has more information lets put the issue to rest. Besides, I was gonna post an update on my AA grow tonight and now I gotta go to bed.


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: DutchMyco]
    #24198901 - 03/28/17 08:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Looked for that topic and found it here:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18089333/fpart/1/vc/1
Looks like he was scared to be sued by Stamets but nothing actually happened or does it continue somewhere else?
I don't know much about US patents, but that patent only seems to be about the use of burlap bags?




All I know is that he did actually receive a letter from Stamet's lawyers.  They guy patents everything he ever finds (Stamets).
No I don't believe AV ever got sued or anything happened, because he didn't want to go through a legal battle and just stopped the operation, in other words made the lawyers happy so he wouldn't get sued.  I hope I'm not mis-representing anything that happened to him, I'm only going off an old memory but that was only one of the many things I've read about Stamets doing that made me really not like him.


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Forrester]
    #24199731 - 03/28/17 02:58 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Forrester]
    #24199786 - 03/28/17 03:24 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

No offense Mushenstein, but you're a cunt. I don't know the guy, but I do like some of his, over-hyped, presentations. I do agree most idolized persons are hypocritical in many ways, mother Theresa being somewhere in the top of the list.
I did read the tread, in which nothing is said about receiving any from of communication from Stamets or his lawyers or someone being sued, while he said he reached out to Stamets and at the end he posts pictures about actually building what the wanted to build in the first place without further news from Stamets.
I'm not a patent lawyer, let alone about US patents, hence the question about the burlap bags, easily recognizable by the use of the questionmark at the end. I skimmed the patent, the abstract and claims section constantly comes back to the burlap bag. Skimmed the rest now, which seems to include a lot of random stuff and many natural processes which at least here are hard or impossible to patent.


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: DutchMyco]
    #24200102 - 03/28/17 05:20 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Listen DutchOven, you and your 43 posts can kiss my ass. If your gonna cite shit on my thread you better have your shit straight or admit you don't know what the fuk your talking about. This is evidenced by the fact that you still, even after I called bullshit on you haven't read the whole patent. You post something on my thread you bet your ass I'm going through it with a fuk'n microscope, dickchops. So either read the patent and admit your an idiot or get the fuk off my thread.  :thebird: 


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24200371 - 03/28/17 07:20 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Good job trying to make it into a postcount peniscontest.
My post was in reaction to Forrester and Marty, also interested myself I looked for the topic and found it contradicted the story here.
First read my post again, then stop being a cunt.


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Forrester]
    #24200795 - 03/28/17 09:53 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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All I know is that he did actually receive a letter from Stamet's lawyers.  They guy patents everything he ever finds (Stamets).
No I don't believe AV ever got sued or anything happened, because he didn't want to go through a legal battle and just stopped the operation, in other words made the lawyers happy so he wouldn't get sued.  I hope I'm not mis-representing anything that happened to him, I'm only going off an old memory but that was only one of the many things I've read about Stamets doing that made me really not like him.




Well Forrester, I would have to say if your right, and I have no reason to doubt you, and he actually did send a "cease and desist" letter it definitely adds justification to your opinion. The only thing I could not put together, and I may have misinterpreted it incorrectly, but I didn't see any monetary benefit for the proposal, except maybe, and a very weak maybe, profits on a bid out of the named participants, "The installation will be managed by Madison County Soil and Water Conservation, Hydrocycle Engineering and Asheville Fungi, Inc, and performed by volunteers and interns from throughout the region." But even that theory is a stretch.
I just can't find any reason for Stamets to send a cease and desist.

The project clearly states its "low budget", which must be a grant or local government tax subsidy, or apportionment from a municipal corp. It also states it was going to be ran by local volunteers and interns. The only people who would have benefitted from it would be the community as a whole and "Stamets". They cited his name in the proposal. It would have promoted his work and may have led to more monetary gain down the road, from privately owned land which would benefit from such engineering, like land owned by coal companies, utilities, private parks and on and on. It just baffles me that he would stop a project of that nature.
  Unless you right and he did sell out to the dollar, or he was afraid it would not work.... :facepalm3:


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Re: Quick UPDATE 3-25 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24206650 - 03/30/17 11:03 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

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But even that theory is a stretch.
I just can't find any reason for Stamets to send a cease and desist.

The project clearly states its "low budget", which must be a grant or local government tax subsidy, or apportionment from a municipal corp. It also states it was going to be ran by local volunteers and interns. The only people who would have benefitted from it would be the community as a whole and "Stamets". They cited his name in the proposal. It would have promoted his work and may have led to more monetary gain down the road, from privately owned land which would benefit from such engineering, like land owned by coal companies, utilities, private parks and on and on. It just baffles me that he would stop a project of that nature.
  Unless you right and he did sell out to the dollar, or he was afraid it would not work.... :facepalm3:




This is exactly why I hate him.  I can't think of a reason he'd send a cease and desist either - but he does, and he did.  Does it all the time, even if he has nothing to gain from it.  Just shows where his priorities lie.  He writes a book about mycoremediation, then threatens people who dare to use his techniques.  I guess it's what happens to people, with money comes greed. :shrug: 

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Re: Quick AA UPDATE 3-30 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24206689 - 03/30/17 11:22 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Your 100% right. It seems people lose their sense of being once money hits the picture. But they swear there not changed. But of course they drive a Ferrari, right! LOL.

Its was a good conversation.
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Alright, back to the Black Poplar updates.
Blocks are still sitting in my greenhouse waiting to fruit.


These were the first three of the grow. They have almost colonized completely, except the behemoth. He might take a few more days.


These are the second three of the grow. They are nice and white. Another week. They need to turn a little brown, I think?


These last two are on their second week. They have coffee in them. Looks like the myc is flying through them! YeHaa



Now, I did some self reflecting and decided my bags look smaller then other peoples bags. So I decided to make a huge one. Same Process.
Got the ingredients together.


Put it in a bowl.


Bring to field capacity. Which is tricky with wood shavings.


Load up this enormous bag.


Drop it in my new AA 921


Put a filter on it. Dropped it in and put a plate over it.


Here is the spawn. Rye grain. This jar has been sitting a while. All kinds of metabolites in it. Not bad ones. Its not contaminated. Its just really consolidated.


And its ready to get spawned.


A sort of catastrophe occurred after filling them.


It went in perfect.


I had to mix the spawn up. I sealed it in my vacuum sealer and the top opened up and let all kinds of air in.


This thing is filled with contaminated air. Unfortunately I put coffee in it. If this doesn't Trich out, I don't believe wood will. At least not with black poplar myc. I guess we'll see.:tongue:


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster 4-06 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24224080 - 04/06/17 11:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, this is kind of an update and kind of a notice of recent disaster.  I have not posted anything for about a week because I sunk the greenhouse, and the rest of the house literally. Its nobody's fault but my own stupidity. I have been trying to engineer a way around it while my mushie's are as dry as the sierra. We will start with the fruiting:

These were the bags in the greenhouse.


I took the three I thought looked the most eager to fruit and started on them with the scissors. Remember, these were all grown in "Reynolds Oven Bags", not filter patch bags.


Snip Snip, Chop Chop



cut, trim,


now for the goliath, better get the heavy duty scissors,


Everything I create is monstrous, hence my name!


I stuck this humidifier in the greenhouse for humidity.... that sounded kind of stupid. I guess I didn't put it in there to keep them company.

I fired this puppy up thinking I had really considered the variables.


Then the next morning it looked like a sauna! You can't even see the mushies. And I was standing right in front of it. I put a thermometer in it and saw it was the temperature of a sauna as well, :eek: go figure.
These issues were easily dealt with, I just unzipped it half way and wala, it cleared right up. The biggest problem, as I'm sure you already noticed, is that there is no where for the water to go. It re-condenses on the plastic as it cools, runs down the sides of the greenhouse and onto the floor. This 2 and 1/2 gallon reservoir humidifier re-condensed 2 and 1/2 gallons of water on to my floor. Luckily I didn't shock the hell out of myself. :jellyfish: as the cord was on the floor next to the humidifier! 

I will be fixing this tomorrow, and will update with the fix in place, don't give up on me yet.  :rabble:


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster 4-06 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24225633 - 04/07/17 04:01 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

That happen s to me sometimes when I run my ultrasonic inside. I do have a ghetto condensation chamber on it to try to mitigate it as much as possible but it still runs out a bit. Don't worry mate you'll get it figured out!


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster no. 2 [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24238652 - 04/12/17 10:23 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I have been trying to engineer out the mess with the green house and flooding my kitchen on a nightly basis. In the mean time I figured I would throw another bag together using leftovers from the kitchen cabnit and leftover agar plates. The ingredients:

Enough for any wood loving myc to feast on, right?



Mixed it up and in the bag it goes. I was really proud of how creative I thought I was.

Put it in the pressure cooker and I decided to throw all of my old and extra Black Poplar agar plates into a bag in my glove box so I could inoculate the bag with one fail swoop.


Everything was working out fine until I pulled my filter patch bag out of my All American. Remember, this All American is brand new, I only ran a dry run and one bag through it so far. So this was the third use.


I don't know what the hell happened. It was dry as a bone when I opened it and everything was melted and stuck to the PC.

I am glad I used the tray. Although I ruined it, I'd rather not have caked the contents of that bag all over my All American. I still trashed my PC in the process.
Oh yeah, the kitchen is still flooding, but I am always coming up with new and inventive ways to redirect the water to different areas. I still have yet to grow a Black Poplar Mushroom, except for the pins in my old agar, if that counts. :whiteflag:


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster no. 2 [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24238668 - 04/12/17 10:31 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

damn that myc is eatin good :smile: star wars cereal , lmao :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster no. 2 [Re: poponon]
    #24238860 - 04/12/17 11:58 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

As far as flooding . Make a pan 6" larger all around the greenhouse​. Mine is 1"X2" screwed to 1/4" plywood. Fabric shops / hobby lobby have heavy clear PVC in all weights sold by the yard to line pan with. Just use wet shop vac to clean occasionally. I'll try to get a pic.

Your using a jiggle weight on the AA , it takes quite a bit of water if you don't keep the temp regulated perfect. Feel your pain on your new cooker. I've also not gotten the lid perfectly even and had small steam leaks there also.


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster no. 2 [Re: Quadman]
    #24239804 - 04/13/17 11:20 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

The funny part is that was probably going to work, not high yield though.


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Re: Catastrophic Disaster no. 2 [Re: Ferather]
    #24243901 - 04/14/17 05:51 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, the sad part is I have the modified port for the AA. I decided it was best to learn to use it "as is", before modifying it. Yeah, I learned alright. :banghead:  It gets 3 quarts of water now before use.

I have modified the greenhouse by putting a fan in it on a timer. Every hour that goes by it turns the fan on for a half hour. Seems to be drying things up. I will look into putting four pans on the outside though, sounds like some solid advice. Right now it looks like this:


I couldn't run the vaporizer on the timer because once it is shut off it has to be turned back on. Simply reconnecting the electricity will not turn it on. So it runs continuously.

At least the blocks aren't completely dry or waterlogged. They are finding a happy medium, but still no mushrooms.


I also decided to see if I could reuse my disposable petri dishes. Figured a run in the pc for about 40 minutes would sterilize it. Yeah, that didn't work out.

I guess disposable means you only get one use out of it. Who knew! :facepalm3:

Oh yeah, the Stars Wars cereal just wouldn't get eat'n in my house, hell I even tried to eat it and couldn't choke it down, and I am a cheap bum. I hate to let anything go to waste. Them mushie's almost had a shot at it. I'll try again with something else nobody in this house will eat. lol:laugh2:
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Re: And then there was nothing! [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24255690 - 04/19/17 12:29 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Well, this is kind of an update. Things have dramatically done nothing. The bags I made have been coming along exceedingly well.




Nice white and hydrated to perfection.


Even that big bastard I was sure was going to contaminate because I let a kitchens worth of contam ridden air in the bag.


But on the down side this piece of shit indoor greenhouse of fun has done fuck-all except piss all over my floor, take up needed space in my kitchen and has been working me like a rented mule filling up this fuckn dehydrator every night and every morning. I'm not trying to be negative or anything but damn, I thought this was suppose to be a hobby, not a second job. And for what? These blocks couldn't shit out one fukn pin. Just one measly little dried up shriveled penis looking pin, for my efforts at least. ahh I'm just grumpy. :grrr:  :grrr:  :grrr: 
 
I did manage to get the humidity and fae dialed in a bit so there was no more water on the floor but the blocks still stayed moist.


These blocks don't look any better or worse after almost two weeks in this portable sauna. Not a single pin yet. hmmm



And yeah I know this one looks like rotten cabbage or something. But it always did.


Well, Imma give it another week and if I don't see a single pin I'm gonna punt these fukers over the front porch and down my driveway like footballs, and then run them over with my car.
There just isn't a shot in hell i'm going to stick my other bags in this greenhouse of horrors to die a slow humid death. I'll fruit um in the fukn bags, or put um in a monotub. I have too much time wrapped up in them to watch um all shit the bed. I'll update when something happens, or if I start punting these fukers out my front door. :oldman:

I feel I should add a disclaimer of sorts. I know these green houses have worked for other members of this community, good people too I might add. My experience, or failures are usually a direct result of my own actions, or inactions.


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Re: Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24484941 - 07/15/17 01:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry I did not conclude this Grow Log. I had some remodeling issues and a bit of contamination of sorts. The first set of blocks were discarded. I did however start new bags to replace the old ones. The older ones went into the Martha before it was dialed in and had succumbed to mold. The new ones used a little bit different recipe and I decided to leave them in the bags to fruit.



The 5 bags were made with Oak shavings, vermiculate, gypsum, egg shells, and cereal: "Corn Pops".

2 of the bags received Bone Meal

1 of the Bags received Bone Meal and Blood Meal

2 Bags received Bone Meal, Blood Meal and coffee

The Bone Meal only Bags fruited first:
They rendered at least one nice size mushroom that was cooked and eaten immediately.
It was cooked with Wild Chanterelles and Potatoes. mmm mmm! Tasty.

The top of the bag was cut off and then placed back on loosely to maintain humidity. Many more pins and mushrooms followed. This is today:

The Bag with Bone Meal and Blood Meal started pinning later and has about 8 clusters of primordial forming.

The Coffee Bags and still colonizing and have not rendered pins, mushrooms or primordial of any kind yet, but they don't appear contaminated.

More updates will follow.

The results have been obvious and I will differentiate between what I believe is my best recipe for the substrate.:awedance:


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Re: Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24485089 - 07/15/17 02:52 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting substrate recipes. Why did you decide to add those more exotic elements?


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Re: Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24485941 - 07/15/17 10:10 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I almost forgot, thanks for reminding me, but I also put dog food in 3 of the 5 bags. The bag with all the fruiting mushrooms is one with dog food. Seems to be highly beneficial for mushrooms. I started crushing up dog food and putting it in at least half of my grows a few months back. Reason being, I use PDYA PDA MEA and a few others, as well as dog food agar. I have yet to find a mushroom variety, species, strain or otherwise that doesn't like dog food agar. Although I have not worked with as many different mushrooms as the experienced growers in this community I have worked with enough to know mushies like dog food. So I figured I would try it out with the Swordbelt. :stirthepot: 

I threw the cereal in because I ran outta bran and had some older cereals that were just sitting around.
I use egg shells in all my grows. Just threw it in one day and wham everything was whiter and looked healthier. So the added calcium (and protein from the egg whites)is something I think most of my grows benefit from. That would account for the Bone Meal as well. Different type of texture, size and source then egg shells. This was the Bone meal, dog food, egg shell bag first flush. I was happy because there are many more pins and primordia on the sub. 
The Coffee helped a bit in the first grow but produced some mixed results as it colonized. Coffee sucks. It is so problematic. Several TC's have told me, but I am hard headed and had to find out for my self. Hence, I tried it a second time and will keep it out of future recipes. These two coffee bags still have no pins or sign of pinning. That's isn't to say that they will not do well, but I am skeptical.

Blood meal seemed to be an alternative to coffee. High in nitrogen with a decreased chance in harboring mold. The bag with blood meal took longer to fruit but has clusters starting on every side of the bag. The pins are darker as well. Not sure if that is bad or good. This is the bag with the blood meal in it.


To give you a 100% honest answer to your question, I figured I wouldn't want to eat wood only, so why would a mushroom. Not much nutrition in it. That is really my rational for putting all of this stuff into these bags.
I just finished sterilizing four more bags. I am spawning the bags tomorrow and will update with the recipe.

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Re: Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24485958 - 07/15/17 10:20 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting stuff mate! May need to try a couple side by sides of egg shells... I like the idea. Good to see your update! :wave:


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Re: Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24489413 - 07/17/17 02:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

lol dog food agar :smile:

Actually I do have a tin of 'yeast extract' actually meant for dogs and other such pets I bought exclusively for addition to media.. :laugh:
Have not added that to any agar yet though, nor have I tried adding fumaric acid which is supposed to be good against bacteria but I don't read about any people using it.. :P

Anyway nice going, mushenstein.. :smile:

I'm personally very new to Pioppino and actually also this will finally be my first time using my martha due to circumstances in the past years.. :laugh:

But yes its mycelium does look mighty cobwebby to me even though I think I have fine healthy cultures (that would mean cobweb overran the wedges I received from the very beginning I started them, not sure if that's possible without a 'fight' first unless the culture itself also wasn't viable on top of the contamination - unlikely right?)..

It's rather aggressive though compared to the Hericium species I am also growing. Does cobwebby mean aerial mycelium due to gas or humidity conditions by the way?

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Re: Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24490373 - 07/17/17 11:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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To give you a 100% honest answer to your question, I figured I wouldn't want to eat wood only, so why would a mushroom. Not much nutrition in it. That is really my rational for putting all of this stuff into these bags.
I just finished sterilizing four more bags. I am spawning the bags tomorrow and will update with the recipe.





Ah, so you're finally using the Swordbelt strain?  Excellent!  My advice - yeah, I wouldn't want to eat wood only either, but what does every wood growing mushroom in the wild, ONLY eat?  Wood.  It's really all this strain seems to want.  And the whole purpose of mushrooms in the wild is to, of course, eat and decay wood (or other materials for other mushrooms).

But the Swordbelt strain of Pioppino?  All I've ever grown it on is straight wood fuel pellets and grain spawn.  Even without supplementation, it did amazing.  Here's proof:

Swordbelt strain, grown on ONLY hardwood fuel pellets and one quart of grain spawn:



Some other strain, grown on the same:



So yeah, ya really don't need to throw a whole bunch of shit in your substrate recipe.  Just work with the swordbelt strain, and use a decently high spawn rate, that way you don't even need to sterilize, I only used "bucket tek" pasteurization on that awesome block (just boiling water over plain wood pellets, spawned the next morning with a whole quart).  Amazing results, as you can see.


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Re: Update [Re: Forrester]
    #24491044 - 07/18/17 08:41 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, I can almost smell the golden brown baked buns those look like..


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Re: Update [Re: Solipsis]
    #24495324 - 07/20/17 01:54 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Wow, I can almost smell the golden brown baked buns those look like..




Haha, yeah I'd say they have a striking resemblance to cubes crossed with hamburger buns.  And man, are they delicious.  Looking at that first pic, I seriously can't believe that was grown unsupplemented, with faux-pasteurization.  The swordbelt strain is amazing, period.


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Re: Update [Re: Solipsis]
    #24498094 - 07/21/17 09:18 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry guys, I was out of town this week. Just got back. But, yeah very cobwebby if you are using culture syringe with like 1 cc in each jar it will be cobweb like. I suggest using Stamets LC recipe in GGMM. His recipe rocks. and it is thick, I am talking with all kinds of non-dissolvable particles floating around in it. The last one I made is 7 months old and is still producing out good quality spawn. I mean white thick mycelium. I will take a pic tonight and post it. 3cc of that and the entire jar is caked white in 3 weeks.


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Re: Update [Re: Forrester]
    #24498111 - 07/21/17 09:34 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Damn Forrester, what's the secret. Are you sweet talking the bags, giving a daily gentle massage :humpme:, or playing classical music around it? That looks like a freak'n cube grow Brother.   
What or how did you fruit that thing. It looks like it grew like that with the bag top cut off.
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    #24498545 - 07/21/17 01:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Playing music to them will be my first Side by side when I move into a bigger place - back in my cube days I ran that experiment and saw marked differences- however it was all with MS so it could (probably) have had everything to do with genetics.


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    #24498851 - 07/21/17 04:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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    #24499180 - 07/21/17 06:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said 99% sure it was genetics.... but it's been scientifically proven to help plants soooo....


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Re: Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24499396 - 07/21/17 08:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If I thought I would get results like Forrester I would turn that Pioppino block into my love slave.  :missionary:


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Re: 7-21 update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24499469 - 07/21/17 09:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Aight, here is the update.

This is the bag that had everything in it. Oak wood shavings, gypsum, bone meal, egg shells, blood meal, cereal (corn pops) not sure if I put coffee in it, and I forgot to mention Hay. Yup, I put hay in it.

Strangely enough the first flush is better then all of the other bags. So the recipe wasn't bad, but I would still leave coffee out next time. Pioppino doesn't seem to benefit from it, but maybe that's just in my house.

These were all just different sides of the same bag.

This is the second flush on the first bag. Not as plentiful but there are more pins. This bag is in my Martha. The mushrooms seem more shapely, almost like the bag environment forms irregular shapes.


The next 5 pics are of the small bag which had coffee in it. It finally started to pin after I put it in my basement which is at least 10 degrees colder then the upstairs. Notice all of the side pinning. Might be going straight to the Martha tomorrow.


This is the pic of the big bag with coffee added to it, amongst other things. It is also in the basement, but has yet to pin. It also has some funky slime in it. It may be heading south.


I have a question. The last two pics are of the first bag. I can't tell if these are ready to pic or not. The caps seem like they are starting to turn inside out, but the veils have not broke. Do they look ready to pic???????

Maybe I should pic um and stick it in the Martha to see if the remaining fruits in the clusters mature. Insight is always welcome.
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Re: Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24512936 - 07/28/17 12:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Damn Forrester, what's the secret. Are you sweet talking the bags, giving a daily gentle massage :humpme:, or playing classical music around it? That looks like a freak'n cube grow Brother.   
What or how did you fruit that thing. It looks like it grew like that with the bag top cut off.
I just got my Martha somewhat dialed in with a cool mist humidifier, but I still have to tweak it a bit. But yeah, I would like to know your fruiting method and humidity levels maintained during fruiting.




Ugh, I can't stand classical music!  I think for those bags I played them mostly gangsta' rap.  Brotha lynch, old NWA, you know.  24 hours/day so they can never sleep.  To force fruiting I just punch the bag right in the gut, like you'd do any other sucka', and tell 'em if they don't fruit and fruit good, I'd kill their family.  It usually works for most species.  Of anything.  Even kids.

lol J/K!  Yeah I can't remember but I think yes, as soon as the rather large pinset formed invitro, I just cut off the top of the bag at substrate level and let it grow!  Humidity?  I dunno, I never did invest in a hygrometer while I was growing mushrooms.  I just setup a cheap greenhouse (one of those $30 ones in almost all my gallery pics), and put like 2 humidifiers in it, leaving the front door completely unzipped.  That's how I grew all my mushrooms ever, never had a clue what the actual humidity was.  Interestingly, now I own like 5 hygrometers, but I use those for egg incubators for hatching chickens/ducks/geese/quail...  Also, interestingly (or not), I actually DO hate classical music.  Makes me wanna stab myself in the ears with a knife...  I'd rather be stuck in a car with death metal blasting at about 85db.  Oh yeah, that's my drive to work :lol:

Like I said, it's the swordbelt strain - not skill, that resulted in that bag.  Love to take credit, but I'm a lazy grower, might as well be honest about it haha!


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    #24513012 - 07/28/17 12:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Classical actually got me into metal :lol:  metal is so baroque.


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Re: Update [Re: Forrester]
    #24513811 - 07/28/17 12:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe that's the problem, I just give too much of a shit on how my grows roll. I have my martha zipped up with a cool mist blowing for a half hour 4 times a day. Humidity is at 99% most of the time.
I think I will unzip that fukr and let the cool mist roll on every 2-3 hours. I got more pins coming, but it is not flushing like yours. I have 5 more bags colonizing right now so I have room for err.

I planned on letting them flush until they're exhausted and then wrapping the top back up, cutting the bottom open and trying to fruit the bottom of the bag. Its a theory. :hairmetal:


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Re: Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24515019 - 07/28/17 11:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe that's the problem, I just give too much of a shit on how my grows roll. I have my martha zipped up with a cool mist blowing for a half hour 4 times a day. Humidity is at 99% most of the time.
I think I will unzip that fukr and let the cool mist roll on every 2-3 hours. I got more pins coming, but it is not flushing like yours. I have 5 more bags colonizing right now so I have room for err.

I planned on letting them flush until they're exhausted and then wrapping the top back up, cutting the bottom open and trying to fruit the bottom of the bag. Its a theory. :hairmetal:




Hey, sounds like a good theory/idea, why not try it?  I seem to have had really good "beginners luck" with mushroom growing.  The last few grows I've tried have all triched out, even my SRA... although I think it's laziness after you think you have it "mastered", you get lax in your technique and fuck everything up.  But yeah, keep trying and keep it simple, eventually you'll hit a really good flush. 


But are you absolutely SURE that's the swordbelt strain you're growing with?  Kinda looks like the short, fat stem strain I worked with before that - few pins, usually right against the side of the bag, just like that pic I posted, it's almost like it's a completely different species, but it's not.  Just totally different in presentation.  I remember some discussion on myco-tek about Pioppino strains, there's the long skinny stem type, then there's the short, fat stem type.  The short, fat stem type has never flushed prolifically like the real Swordbelt strain.  I think I got the short fatty strain from TheSporeDepot (could be wrong, my memory sucks), but the actual Swordbelt strain I got from a fellow member here or on myco-tek, and it's what fruited that nice flush.  Maybe you got the wrong strain?  Just thinking out loud here, who knows, it could be conditions, but like I said I didn't really do anything different for both of those bags.

I'm working on downsizing my farm, so hopefully I will have the time to revive some cultures here soon and get growing again.  If I do, Swordbelt will be one of the first, so maybe I can help if I manage to get it revived.


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Re: Update [Re: Forrester]
    #24515265 - 07/29/17 02:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If you do go that route Forrester be sure to hit me up I will send you some cultures- especially this balla  TurkeyTail I've got. I have a master jar of Piopinno, I was a beautiful culture though I doubt it was Swordbelt as it was incredibly slow. Just one of the many species just waiting to be expanded and spawned- I just need my steam sterilizer built and some more space and I'll have a ton going.

@Mushenstein: I still think you may need to up your FAE- while Piopinno doesn't require as much as oysters they still need a good bit. Also, if you are at 99% most of the time you aren't allowing evaporation off of the substrate's surface which is one of the primary pinning triggers, and very few species' optimum rH is that high. I can't remember them all off hand but I believe there is a chart in Stamets' Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms- most oysters like 93-96, and I remember shiitake's optimum is actually in the mid 80's! Try lowering your rH's high point by increasing FAE and then use your timer to let the humidity drop to the mid to high 80's before returning to Piopinno's optimum rH- I think this change may help trigger more pins.


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    #24517103 - 07/29/17 11:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

For sure, I will, thanks man!

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@Mushenstein: I still think you may need to up your FAE- while Piopinno doesn't require as much as oysters they still need a good bit. Also, if you are at 99% most of the time you aren't allowing evaporation off of the substrate's surface which is one of the primary pinning triggers, and very few species' optimum rH is that high. I can't remember them all off hand but I believe there is a chart in Stamets' Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms- most oysters like 93-96, and I remember shiitake's optimum is actually in the mid 80's! Try lowering your rH's high point by increasing FAE and then use your timer to let the humidity drop to the mid to high 80's before returning to Piopinno's optimum rH- I think this change may help trigger more pins.




All good advice and I wouldn't argue any of it - but here's where I doubt some of Stamets numbers (other than the nagging feeling that he just completely pulled them out of his ass...).

Ok so you have a room temperature shiitake bag (still sealed, browning), with no heat source lowering humidity - your RH inside that bag is going to be pretty damn close to 99%.  (I know this from leaving egg incubators with water in them but the heat/fan shut off - with no heat and a source of water, ie; your properly hydrated substrate, you're going to have near 99% humidity all the time.  So how can one list Shiitake's "optimum" pinning humidity at 80%?  Yeah I'm sure they'd pin fine there, but IMO humidity has almost nothing to do with shiitake's pinning trigger - it's a cold shock.  I've tested and proven this many, many times - mostly by accident when my bags weren't fully browned but the heater in the house went out and the temp dropped 10f or so, whaddayaknow, all the damn bags pinned, every time, every strain.  So to list a humidity number as "optimum" for pinning of a species who's pinning is triggered by something other than humidity, seems to me kinda... DERP.  I really think he pulled most of the numbers in that book right out of his fucking ass, it's completely useless if you ask me.  I've grown all kinds of species, and fruited them completely out of the ranges he gives in that book.  To me it's entirely useless, and not just because I don't like him - I just think the book is, as I've mentioned, extremely dated and useless.  It's no better than if I tried fruiting some mushrooms, and wrote down the parameters I fruited them in.  Yeah, maybe those temps and humidity ranges worked well for him for the strains he was working with at the time he wrote the book, in the specific environment he was in, but to list them as some kind of standard for every strain of that species for everyone to follow, I think is way off and not helpful at all.  Just my opinion though :shrug:

All the shiitake strains I ever grew pinned at about 99% humidity, since they were still in sealed bags (how you could even get 80% humidity inside a sealed bag I have no idea).  And I've grown cubes in a potted plant by a fucking window in the middle of winter (about 50f and 0% humidity by the window in a Maine winter), and they grew just fine.  (wasn't actually trying to grow them, read that "spent" substrate was good for plants - gave it to my wife for her plants she was starting early, and holy shit did some cubes grow out of those potted plants!)  Yeah the wife was kinda pissed about that one, since it was at her parents house :lol:

But yeah, IMO Stamets' numbers are for the most part just a basic guideline to start with, and are by NO means useful for anything but just that.  There are too many other factors at play to just list "optimum" temps and humidity ranges for all strains of a species.


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Re: Update [Re: Forrester]
    #24517915 - 07/30/17 01:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I hate to blow a hole in your theory . Last two batches of blocks didn't get slapped or cold shocked. Cut bag open soaked in water a couple hours rinsed heavily and fruited at 77° and 90% humidity. Oxygen allows fruit IMHO. These were 3782 which may contribute to success. I believe some shiitake absolutely need the cold shocked.


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    #24518470 - 07/30/17 06:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I mostly agree with you Forrester- though Shiitake is different from Piopinno and I would argue these are optimum "Fruiting" rH not "pinning". But I see your point with Stamets pulling stuff out of his ass- you can get away with that when you're the only person to publish a book on cultivating for a couple decades :lol:  his arrogance is pretty astounding and to be honest I think most of his allegories on finding wild species is complete bullshit- but you've got to hand it to the man- he's helped bring Fungi into the mainstream and some of his Medicinal research has been undeniably important for humanity.  I still think upping FAE and allowing fluctuations in rH will help trigger the pins. And yeah you can definitely get some species/strains to pin in almost any environment (especially cubes) but it seems like whatever strain OP has will take a little coxing. I really think you should run your fans 24/7 unless you can't keep the humidity up.


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    #24532847 - 08/05/17 05:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey fellas, sorry about the long pauses man, I am working over 100 hours a week and I am still trying to get this green house dialed in.
Its either too much and everything is wet, too little and the blocks dry out, uuugggghhh. I did have a bit of luck on one of the blocks, check it out.

The pins were really cool looking.

Turned into some awesome mushrooms. :discodance:

Picked um, cooked them in butter 2 nights ago and had them on a NY strip steak at midnight. Boy they were good.

After this flush I am convenience this is not swordbelt. Suppose we could nickname it the munchkins.

The other bags are, well bags.


The small coffee bag started side and bottom pinning.
I just got 3 off the top that were small and not pic worthy.

All these bags are in my green house, but I can't seem to keep it stable. It just fluctuates too much.

I have some trays of other varieties that need to go in the GH. I really need to get it dialed in before I put them in there. They are kinda finicky.:sporedrop:

I could really use some direction. Should I put this cool mist on the middle shelf? Some people use a filter wick humidifier with a cool mist as well, is this what I am lacking or can this thing work as is???

The last nice flush pictured above was with the GH closed all the way and the cool mist turning on for a half hour four times a day. There wasn't a lot of FAE but it kinda worked. :ignorethetroll:


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    #24532929 - 08/05/17 06:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: 8/5 Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24533315 - 08/05/17 08:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Bro. I still think there is more to be had. Imma flip um over in a few days. See how that goes.


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Re: 8/7 kinda Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24538163 - 08/08/17 01:03 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This is just a "check it out" kinda update. That bag that had all the coffee and just about everything I could find in my cupboard finally popped a mushy. No shit, stuck it in the basement, which is 20 degrees colder and it grew a thick, dark ass mushroom. Its still in the bag, I was waiting for more pins. No such luck. Its going in the GH in a day or two. I will get a pic when I cut the bag.
:fuckyeah:I will take a pic when I open the bag. But the cap was as dark as could be. Musta been all the extra nitrogen.

The other pic is one of the 2nd flush bags in the GH. I took this pic because a mushroom decided to push through the bag at the bottom. Pretty cool, but there must have been a hole in the bottom.


I do think there is something to be said for cold shocking stubborn blocks. I don't have my Shiitake strain anymore or I would be growing it out as well. I grew them last year and had a blast with the blocks and pf tek style Shiitake grow. After my grow was done my plate got pitched out with the spent cakes. Either way, I have 5 more AA bags I will post in the next 48 hours or so. They all are going well. The ingredients include animal crackers, dog food and a host of different calcium rich additives. I know, I know, its just for fun. Give me a day or two and I'll post um.
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Re: Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24538205 - 08/08/17 01:49 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I mostly agree with you Forrester- though Shiitake is different from Piopinno and I would argue these are optimum "Fruiting" rH not "pinning". But I see your point with Stamets pulling stuff out of his ass- you can get away with that when you're the only person to publish a book on cultivating for a couple decades :lol:  his arrogance is pretty astounding and to be honest I think most of his allegories on finding wild species is complete bullshit- but you've got to hand it to the man- he's helped bring Fungi into the mainstream and some of his Medicinal research has been undeniably important for humanity.  I still think upping FAE and allowing fluctuations in rH will help trigger the pins. And yeah you can definitely get some species/strains to pin in almost any environment (especially cubes) but it seems like whatever strain OP has will take a little coxing. I really think you should run your fans 24/7 unless you can't keep the humidity up.




For sure dude - I think Stamets was probably pretty awesome when he wrote those books.  I think it was the fact that he was the only one doing it at the time and the massive recognition he got that made him run into money which, inevitably turned him into a douche.  Happens to a lot of folks :wink: 

But wait - you say his references are for fruiting not pinning - ok.  But... then you say upping FAE and allowing fluctuations in RH will help trigger pins?  There I gotta disagree.  I mean maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that's almost a contradiction.  If those are the conditions for fruiting, not pinning, why expose the block to those conditions trying to get it to pin?  Absolutely no strain of Shiitake needs FAE for pinning.  Or fluctuations in RH.  Most shiitake growers I've ever talked to wait for the block to get fully browned, almost ALWAYS invitro, THEN, (if you're me), just cold shock and it will pin, before you ever open the bag.  If you're RR or some others, yeah you can wait will it's fully browned but has not pinned, and then cold shock it, slap it, and strip the bag, and wait for it to hopefully pin then.  Either way works, but I still say RH/FAE has absolutely nothing to do with pinning triggers for shiitake.

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Re: Update [Re: Forrester]
    #24538234 - 08/08/17 02:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with you but this is Piopinno not Shiitake. From what I understand of the species evaporation from the substrate's surface is a major pinning trigger. And optimum pinning environment is different than optimum Fruiting environment- think King Oysters or Enoki- their pinning temp is lower than their Fruiting temp. And oysters like a higher humidity while pinning than while Fruiting (98% vs 95% on average)


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Re: Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24540178 - 08/08/17 11:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Is there any value in soaking these blocks? If so how long should I let them soak?


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    #24540520 - 08/09/17 01:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That I don't know. I never Soak my oysters. I'll do a dunk on Shiitake though sometimes. I'd say dunk a few don't dunk a few and compare! Keep us apprised.

Also- I think perhaps adding a casing could be beneficial. The physical similarities to cubensis just can't get out of my head- and while I know they are very different I'd be willing to stake that they like similar environments. But once again I'm just kind of thinking out loud as I have not fruited it yet myself.


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Re: Update [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24540902 - 08/09/17 10:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

? Case where :smile:
The bags seem well protected... What would be the point of a casing layer, say around your block..

I have my ~3 grain jars massively colonized upon returning from vacation. Looking for hardwood sawdust for the substrate as I have only beech chips and softwood pet sawdust right now. (And bran and gypsum)

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Re: Quick Update, fruit the bottoms! [Re: Solipsis]
    #24541012 - 08/09/17 11:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Damn dog, read the thread. It hasn't looked like cobweb for along time. This is a grow log now. But I appreciate your interest.  :dancingshroom: 


I soaked overnight. I cut the bottom of the bags off and flipped them over. Smelled really good, like mushrooms. TA, I think your right. A casing layer is what is needed. Give me a few hours and I will case the bottom of the bags, or new top surface.


They went into the sink to soak. I believe they should of had enough moisture in them to fruit again without the soak, but the surface kept drying out. So I soaked these two and will soak the others contingent on these results.
I'm definitely casing the new surface. I have some left over Peat/limestone casing that accidently got sterilized. Should be ok, so I will case tonight. :bananahorsey:


There was definitely invitro pinning and growing on the sides and bottom of the bag.


Just a little porn. Nitro bag with coffee and supplements grew a single mushie. It went into the GH as soon as I picked the flush!lol  :mushdance:


The small nitro and coffee bag had a little better first flush, but had a lot of side and bottom pinning. Back in the GH with it.


One mushie went right out the bottom. Maybe it was a really strong mushie?  :strong:


Several had some small leftover mushies, nothing too significant.

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Re: Solid Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24554296 - 08/14/17 10:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Had a decent fruit going on and the new bags started fruiting before the last ones finished.

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After removing the mature fruits there were still numerous small pins that have potential, but I find once I take the big fruits the rest like to abort.
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I even had some the pushed through the bottom of the bag, literally. There was no hole in the bag. They definitely muscled they're way through.



This was from one bag. The total haul will go great with steak tomorrow night. :levitate:

The goal is to find a substrate recipe and a fruiting method that will produce a stable amount of mushrooms all year long. I eat a lot of mushrooms....for various reasons.

The two bags I flipped, cut the bottoms open and cased have not shown pins yet but I haven't given up on them. There is definitely no need for a casing while fruiting the top. I figured the only way the bottoms had a shot was through a casing, because the tops were spent.



The new bags are doing much better then the first during the initial flush. One of the bags even had "animal crackers", or cookies as an additive. It will be interesting to see what substrate additive out performs what. Some have dog food, cereal etc. but all have egg shells, bone meal and gypsum.

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Re: Solid Update [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24555070 - 08/15/17 08:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

They muscled their way through? Wow..
Nice chestnutty ones again, they remind me a little of Cubensis. (Ah TA said that already ha) and the animal crackers lol.. haven't heard that one before...

How would you describe their taste? Any substrate additives in general that are known to affect flavor noticeably?


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Re: Solid Update [Re: Solipsis]
    #24555238 - 08/15/17 10:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That is a really good point, I don't know. I will let you know after I eat them tonight. Given the first two batches I would say that they definitely get stronger in taste with the additives, but their wonderful. Maybe these will taste like animal crackers. LOL

I tell you what, you and TA are right. These AA's colonize, fruit, sporulate and look like cubensis. I would have to say I haven't got a buzz off of them yet, but the growth parameters are definitely similar as well.

Last night's flush was the culmination of 6 to 8 months of growing. So I think they are a little bit harder to grow than cubes, but not by much.


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Important Update! [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24582995 - 08/27/17 12:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is an important update for anyone who has been following my log, or anyone who has been fruiting  Agrocybe Aegerita ( Poplar) blocks. I apologize for the delay in posting updates. I have been out of state for over a week without internet. I also was concentrating on a new log concerning Mex Jali. which I will provide a link to as soon as I get it posted.

This bag fruited shortly before I left. Although I did find they have a strong taste, which is wonderful I cannot attribute it to, or rule out the substrate supplements as the cause.



Another bag that fruited immediately before I went to see the eclipse. Both were eaten before I left.


This bag started fruiting the day I was leaving. I had no choice so I packed it up and took it with me for over a dozen driving hours.


It got kicked around and tossed. I took the fruits immediately upon arrival to my destination.

They were sautéed with butter and eaten by themselves. These were some of the best tasting mushrooms of the entire grow. Maybe it was the "animal crackers" I supplemented the substrate with. LOL

Upon my return I checked my Martha GH. Some bags had fruited to completion and then withered away as no one was home to pick them. Other bags had just started a second flush.

These just started pinning before I got home. Thank goodness. I hate to lose too many.



This is the important part of this update.

I had two exhausted bags which I decided to experiment with by taping the top shut,
cutting the bottom open and soaking overnight. I then cased the new substrate surface due to the pressed look of the sub. Being in the bottom of the bag left the bottoms flat. I did not believe I would have had any good results if I did not case. I used a Peat/limestone casing. About 1/2 inch of casing, put in the fruiting chamber and left to fruit. When I came back from my trip I arrived to see this


These were completely exhausted blocks, each had given 3 nice flushes of Black Poplar mushrooms. As much as I searched I could not find another post about soaking these blocks for another flush to guide me. I do believe the casing was essential in pinning the bottom of the block after it was opened and soaked.
I tried this on two bags. One of the bags has not fruited yet, but I would advise anyone growing these blocks to try this type of fruiting method as it was indeed a surprise to see one more flush for all of the effort I put in to this grow. As a side note, the soak may not have been necessary, but I thought it may improve my chances.

Thanks for watching. I will post a link to my eclipse grow log here soon.

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Re: Big Friggin Poplar Fruit [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24591760 - 08/30/17 11:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to update on a few things before I close out this grow log.
I had a really nice second flush on one of the new blocks.

As you can see this fruit was enormous for its variety. I do think the supplements helped out this last batch of bags. This fruit was almost as big as my hand. I had no idea AA could get that big.


I put a quarter for size comparison on this big Agrocybe Aegerita fruit. It would make a great print, but I'mma eat it. hehehe


This bag also had some nice size fruits in it. Not as big, but pretty close.


I took pics of the surface of this bag because it had already had a really nice flush and was just covered with nice pins. The supplements in this bag were of a very high calcium concentration, with a handful of animal crackers. Gypsum, bone meal and egg shells were put in it at almost 10% each. So almost 30% of the bag was calcium supplements, and then 15% animal crackers. lol

Below is the same bag.
As you can see the sides were also covered with pins and fruits.

One spot in particular had a cluster of mushies in a spiral formation because it was pressed up against the bag.


This was also real exciting! This is the second bag that had already flushed 3 times and was completely spent. I took the spent  Agrocybe Aegerita blocks and soaked them overnight. I taped the top of the bag shut and cut the bottom of the bag open, turned the bag over and used the bottom of the block as my new surface. I then cased the new surface with a peat/limestone casing. The last update had the 1st block which fruited. See the previous update. Tonight I found the second block had also started fruiting. This made me very happy. I hadn't seen anyone else try it, and I succeeded with both bags. I hope someone else tries it and lets me know how it goes.


These were the animal cracker supplements I used in the bags. Just for visual identification.


This is one last pic of that monster fruit. Well, I at least thought it was big.


I wanted to show pic of this block surface. It was on its third flush and I notice it had hundreds, if not thousands of pins that look like they aborted at some point. This was surprising to see for this variety.


Hey, thanks for watching. Feel free to comment. I will update with one or two last posts before I end the grow log. I have a few other logs I would like to work on. Hope you check out my other grows. Feel free to PM me with any questions about the grows, or if I can help someone else in any way.

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Re: Big Friggin Poplar Fruit [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24597374 - 09/02/17 03:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey yo! Lookin great! I hate when trips correspond to Fruiting. Great to see your success mate! Lot of hard work behind it!

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Re: Bottom Casing [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24599215 - 09/02/17 10:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks TA.

I have come a long way over the last 9 months with the  Agrocybe Aegerita, black poplar variety. Although many have grown these blocks I think we have broken a bit of ground with the bottom cased fruiting method. Below is the second block that I bottom cased. The fruits were ready to pick so I figured one last post on it would be worth while.




I have to say that using high calcium ratio supplements and, for whatever reason the Animal Cracker Supplements have made some enormous fruits. Bigger than all of the other blocks and supplements I have tried.






Tonight I am trying a different recipe. These mushrooms are getting chopped up and put in Lasagna. The Lasagna has garlic meat balls, Italian sausage, mozzarella cheese, provolone cheese and (sometimes) Ricotta Cheese. Home made marinara sauce and Lasagna noodles. The mushrooms will be an interesting addition to the casserole. Not pictured below is the enormous fruit with the quarter on it. I decided to make a print out of it for later use.


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Re: New Activity [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24617915 - 09/10/17 12:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I was just about to end this Black Poplar grow log and something new popped up. Its funny how that keeps happening. First the bottom casing worked out and now it appears that although Agrocybe Aegerita favors a horizontal surface to fruit on, tray, block etc., vertical surface fruiting can be exploited with some moderate success.
In the below pictures I had been fruiting this block in the Martha for at least 2 flushes, if not 3 or 4. I had some side pinning which I needed to remove to clean the block and prevent rotting. I cut holes in the bag to get to the side pins and left the holes open when I put them back in the green house. To my surprise they not only fruited directly out of the holes they grew through the wire mesh cage of the green house.

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Vertical fruiting methods are usually utilized for shelf-like fungi and other vertical growing species like lion's mane, bear head tooth