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Important Update! [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24582995 - 08/27/17 12:24 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

This is an important update for anyone who has been following my log, or anyone who has been fruiting  Agrocybe Aegerita ( Poplar) blocks. I apologize for the delay in posting updates. I have been out of state for over a week without internet. I also was concentrating on a new log concerning Mex Jali. which I will provide a link to as soon as I get it posted.

This bag fruited shortly before I left. Although I did find they have a strong taste, which is wonderful I cannot attribute it to, or rule out the substrate supplements as the cause.



Another bag that fruited immediately before I went to see the eclipse. Both were eaten before I left.


This bag started fruiting the day I was leaving. I had no choice so I packed it up and took it with me for over a dozen driving hours.


It got kicked around and tossed. I took the fruits immediately upon arrival to my destination.

They were sautéed with butter and eaten by themselves. These were some of the best tasting mushrooms of the entire grow. Maybe it was the "animal crackers" I supplemented the substrate with. LOL

Upon my return I checked my Martha GH. Some bags had fruited to completion and then withered away as no one was home to pick them. Other bags had just started a second flush.

These just started pinning before I got home. Thank goodness. I hate to lose too many.



This is the important part of this update.

I had two exhausted bags which I decided to experiment with by taping the top shut,
cutting the bottom open and soaking overnight. I then cased the new substrate surface due to the pressed look of the sub. Being in the bottom of the bag left the bottoms flat. I did not believe I would have had any good results if I did not case. I used a Peat/limestone casing. About 1/2 inch of casing, put in the fruiting chamber and left to fruit. When I came back from my trip I arrived to see this


These were completely exhausted blocks, each had given 3 nice flushes of Black Poplar mushrooms. As much as I searched I could not find another post about soaking these blocks for another flush to guide me. I do believe the casing was essential in pinning the bottom of the block after it was opened and soaked.
I tried this on two bags. One of the bags has not fruited yet, but I would advise anyone growing these blocks to try this type of fruiting method as it was indeed a surprise to see one more flush for all of the effort I put in to this grow. As a side note, the soak may not have been necessary, but I thought it may improve my chances.

Thanks for watching. I will post a link to my eclipse grow log here soon.

:mushdance::mushdance::sporedrop::mushroom2: :regularshroom:  :1up:  :dancingshroom:  :mushroom:


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Re: Big Friggin Poplar Fruit [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24591760 - 08/30/17 11:12 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Just wanted to update on a few things before I close out this grow log.
I had a really nice second flush on one of the new blocks.

As you can see this fruit was enormous for its variety. I do think the supplements helped out this last batch of bags. This fruit was almost as big as my hand. I had no idea AA could get that big.


I put a quarter for size comparison on this big Agrocybe Aegerita fruit. It would make a great print, but I'mma eat it. hehehe


This bag also had some nice size fruits in it. Not as big, but pretty close.


I took pics of the surface of this bag because it had already had a really nice flush and was just covered with nice pins. The supplements in this bag were of a very high calcium concentration, with a handful of animal crackers. Gypsum, bone meal and egg shells were put in it at almost 10% each. So almost 30% of the bag was calcium supplements, and then 15% animal crackers. lol

Below is the same bag.
As you can see the sides were also covered with pins and fruits.

One spot in particular had a cluster of mushies in a spiral formation because it was pressed up against the bag.


This was also real exciting! This is the second bag that had already flushed 3 times and was completely spent. I took the spent  Agrocybe Aegerita blocks and soaked them overnight. I taped the top of the bag shut and cut the bottom of the bag open, turned the bag over and used the bottom of the block as my new surface. I then cased the new surface with a peat/limestone casing. The last update had the 1st block which fruited. See the previous update. Tonight I found the second block had also started fruiting. This made me very happy. I hadn't seen anyone else try it, and I succeeded with both bags. I hope someone else tries it and lets me know how it goes.


These were the animal cracker supplements I used in the bags. Just for visual identification.


This is one last pic of that monster fruit. Well, I at least thought it was big.


I wanted to show pic of this block surface. It was on its third flush and I notice it had hundreds, if not thousands of pins that look like they aborted at some point. This was surprising to see for this variety.


Hey, thanks for watching. Feel free to comment. I will update with one or two last posts before I end the grow log. I have a few other logs I would like to work on. Hope you check out my other grows. Feel free to PM me with any questions about the grows, or if I can help someone else in any way.

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Re: Big Friggin Poplar Fruit [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24597374 - 09/02/17 03:18 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Hey yo! Lookin great! I hate when trips correspond to Fruiting. Great to see your success mate! Lot of hard work behind it!

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Re: Bottom Casing [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24599215 - 09/02/17 10:02 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks TA.

I have come a long way over the last 9 months with the  Agrocybe Aegerita, black poplar variety. Although many have grown these blocks I think we have broken a bit of ground with the bottom cased fruiting method. Below is the second block that I bottom cased. The fruits were ready to pick so I figured one last post on it would be worth while.




I have to say that using high calcium ratio supplements and, for whatever reason the Animal Cracker Supplements have made some enormous fruits. Bigger than all of the other blocks and supplements I have tried.






Tonight I am trying a different recipe. These mushrooms are getting chopped up and put in Lasagna. The Lasagna has garlic meat balls, Italian sausage, mozzarella cheese, provolone cheese and (sometimes) Ricotta Cheese. Home made marinara sauce and Lasagna noodles. The mushrooms will be an interesting addition to the casserole. Not pictured below is the enormous fruit with the quarter on it. I decided to make a print out of it for later use.


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Re: New Activity [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24617915 - 09/10/17 12:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I was just about to end this Black Poplar grow log and something new popped up. Its funny how that keeps happening. First the bottom casing worked out and now it appears that although Agrocybe Aegerita favors a horizontal surface to fruit on, tray, block etc., vertical surface fruiting can be exploited with some moderate success.
In the below pictures I had been fruiting this block in the Martha for at least 2 flushes, if not 3 or 4. I had some side pinning which I needed to remove to clean the block and prevent rotting. I cut holes in the bag to get to the side pins and left the holes open when I put them back in the green house. To my surprise they not only fruited directly out of the holes they grew through the wire mesh cage of the green house.

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Vertical fruiting methods are usually utilized for shelf-like fungi and other vertical growing species like lion's mane, bear head tooth etc. Because of the success with the Agrocybe Aegerita growing vertically I will try some other vertical type fruiting, i.e. more bags with holes or perhaps a bucket tek.


This block was doing very well over all. I did not dunk it or try to rehydrate in anyway, except for my regular misting each day.  :brushteeth:


I also decided to throw a few pics of the other blocks in. I am still getting amazingly large fruits for this variety. :dancingshroom: I am attributing it to the substrate supplements. I have also concluded that high calcium content is beneficial for Black Poplar mushrooms.



It is really interesting that the more nitrogen I add into the substrate recipe the darker the pins and mushrooms are. The more calcium I put in the lighter they get. Coffee supplements made very dark pins and darker caps on the end fruits. Calcium made the pins and mushroom caps almost white/yellowish. Differences in the taste were/are negligible.

Thanks for watching. :mushdance:


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Re: New Activity [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24617951 - 09/10/17 12:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: New Activity [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24617974 - 09/10/17 01:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Agrocybe.. magic or edible???


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Re: New Activity [Re: Funguy182]
    #24617998 - 09/10/17 01:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely edible, but all mushrooms are somewhat magical.


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Re: New Activity [Re: TravelAgency]
    #24618031 - 09/10/17 01:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey TA, do you have Stamet's GGMM? There is a recipe for wood lover mushroom liquid culture in it. Its one of the best LC recipes I have tried, and most of the grain jars for this entire post were inoculated from that LC recipe.
It is a high nutrient recipe, which in my case was left in a closet for 7 months while I used it. It got thicker and thicker, and darker and darker. The end result was grain jars that were incredibly white and thick.

If you are interested in going that route let me know. I make LC jars that are 99% full proof from contamination, which can be shaken to break up the myc. No stirring, and the Liquid can be directly sucked out with a syringe without opening the jar. It is a shakable, open air method I have been using for the last year. I'll post a tek if your interested, well, I would have to write it up first, and than post it. lol


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Re: New Activity [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24618710 - 09/10/17 06:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Mushenstein said:
Definitely edible, but all mushrooms are somewhat magical.





THIS :whathesaid:

I'm just now starting to mess with LC's so I'll let you know.


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Re: New Activity [Re: Mushenstein]
    #24684863 - 10/05/17 12:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yo, cool thread Mushenstein. I appreciate the input on the calcium/nitrogen findings you have garnered from this grow.

I'm thinking of grow these along with oysters on coffee grounds, oak sawdust and some inoculated grains.
Was wondering what ratio you spawned at? (% regarding total mix) and  how much nitrogen supplementation you did again with regards to total substrate mass. Also, what temps/RH did you fruit at?
I'd like to see that tek you mentioned as I'm gonna get heavy into making some wicked LC's to make my inoculant generation flow simpler (I hope).
Thanks for sharing.


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