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MysticMoteToter said:
All this talk about mushrooms helping haha.... i'd been drinking a bit of reishi tea daily (just an oz or two of liquid in my coffee) the week prior, and Friday i became deathly fucking sick, coughing up grey phlem, bedridden, achy, unable to swallow, sweating profusely, i think im going to go to the hospital today b/c theres a fucked rattling noise in my chest when i inhale and im coughing up shit still. Most fucked up thing is, i hadn't been sick in LITERALLY years. not even a cold....... So idk I'm not gonna put a lot of faith in mushrooms to cure or even really help anything, (besides hallucinogenic ones ability to make you trip) i just like growing em i think. Probably not the reishi that caused it but it definitely doesn't do shit just into tea.

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MysticMoteToter said:
All this talk about mushrooms helping haha.... i'd been drinking a bit of reishi tea daily (just an oz or two of liquid in my coffee) the week prior, and Friday i became deathly fucking sick, coughing up grey phlem, bedridden, achy, unable to swallow, sweating profusely, i think im going to go to the hospital today b/c theres a fucked rattling noise in my chest when i inhale and im coughing up shit still. Most fucked up thing is, i hadn't been sick in LITERALLY years. not even a cold....... So idk I'm not gonna put a lot of faith in mushrooms to cure or even really help anything, (besides hallucinogenic ones ability to make you trip) i just like growing em i think. Probably not the reishi that caused it but it definitely doesn't do shit just into tea.

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Seems like rather poor reasoning imo

Perhaps you got some poor quality reishi.

A guy on here sent me bug infested reishi on trade. People will do anything for a buck.

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Exactly.  He was absolutely correct in saying "probably not the reishi that caused it", but to go on the say "it definitely doesn't do shit just into tea" is just...  oh wait, there's a word for it...

Have ya read any books on the effects of reishi water extractions (tea)?  Because I've read about 5, (and we're talking like 800 page books citing literally hundreds of scientific studies) that went into depth about how and what is extracted by boiling it, and how and what it does in your body, and how it helps.  Unless you're one of very, VERY few who for some reason is allergic to it, your statement is complete ignorant nonsense.  You just happened to get sick around the time you tried some reishi tea.  Or like mentioned by the other poster I quoted, you got bad quality fruits, probably moldy or something.

Please don't knock a medicine you know nothing about based on one anecdotal experience you had which was almost definitely caused by other factors.  Sorry if I come off as harsh, but it just irks me when someone draws a ridiculous conclusion with no correlating evidence.  It's like saying, "man, I just read Don Quixote the other day, and the next day I got so fucking sick, I puked my brains out and my leg became gangrene and fell off"!.  Yeah, ok, I'll listen to you if you can tie your illness to the reading of the book, but just because it happened near the same time, doesn't mean it caused it.

I'm a well established vendor on Etsy and have given/sold reishi extractions to literally hundreds of people.  None have EVER reported it making them sick, or having ANY bad side effects for that matter. 

I can only speculate on what happened to you, but I can say for sure that the statement "it definitely doesn't do shit just into tea" is entirely incorrect.  It definitely does "do shit", whether you notice it or not.

Sometimes a healing medicine can make you feel worse, due to the fact that it's killing off bacteria or a virus that you were previously infected with but asymptomatic.  Lyme disease is a huge example of this.  I felt relatively fine having Lyme disease for at least 2 years, at least fine enough to make it through the day.  But when I started treating it with antibiotics?  Within 2 weeks I had to go on medical leave from work, as I was no longer able to make it through the day.  Does this mean antibiotics "don't do shit"?  No.  It does not.

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crowseed said:
Forrester, woah I hadn't even heard of serotonin syndrome. Just goes to show the potential dangers of sharing ideas for treatment, as well as the benefits. Best is to listen to your intuition I think.

Another key receptor I stumbled on is the sigma one receptor. It seems to be where your life force (mitochondria) meets your nervous system, so it's associated with the spirit. It's activated by the "spirit molecule" (DMT). I was using canary grass tincture as an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (like snowdrops), and even though the amount of DMT must have been almost negligible, you can still feel it awakening something, bringing something back to life. I think I can even feel it in Earl Grey tea (bergamot), though that sounds crazy!

Another powerful aid has been negative ions, from a machine or from water/nature (especially waterfalls/rain). Earthing and stuff as well, which you probably know about.

I just found a wild oyster and got it on agar, so I'm pretty excited about that. Am a total noob though so have probably messed it up.

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I love your knowledge of all these receptors, I need to do more research and look into more of them myself.  I know more than I think most people SHOULD know about Cytokine upregulation/downregulation, and better yet MODULATION (Polygonum cuspidatum or Japanese knotweed is the best one I know), but when it comes to remembering the names of receptors, my Lyme brain becomes all jumbled

Getting a wild oyster on agar?  No problem!  Even if you were sloppy, a couple transfers should clean it right up.  Even if you see green, wait till the mycelium completely covers over it, and then take a wedge far from that area and go to a new plate (I did this with kings before and it only took one transfer).  If you got bacteria, the oyster should just eat it.  A transfer or two should clean up pretty much anything if you've got a basic concept of sterile technique.

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DutchMyco said:
Do you guys know about Wild/Fuller's teasel(Dipsacus fullonum, Dipsacus sylvestris)? It comes up in a quick search about treating Lyme disease, apparently with good results. The disease it spreading fast here in The Netherlands as well. Good luck guys, hope you can ease your symptoms!

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Teasel... teasel... isn't that the thing the lady in the link I mentioned earlier about Turkey tails curing lyme ended up talking more about than turkey tails?  I really gotta look into that one!  Thanks for the suggestion!

I wonder what species of Borrelia is spreading in the Netherlands?  It's becoming so insanely epidemic almost everywhere, it's crazy.  They've already identified over 100 species (and I think that's only in the US, but not sure, it may be 200 so far worldwide, but don't quote me on this).  Not all of them are pathogenic to humans, but most are to some degree.  Here where I am in the Northeast, B. Miyamotoii is the "new" one, comprising about 20% of new, undiagnosable lyme cases (since they only normally test for 1-2 strains of ONE species of borrelia - B. Burgdorferii - to get a positive Lyme diagnosis, kinda silly if you ask me...)

Always fun to be the guinea pig on how to treat a new strain of a disease, much less a new SPECIES that doesn't even technically qualify as "Lyme disease", by CDC standards, since only B. Burgdorferii infection is technically called Lyme.  Even worse for my wife, since she's got BOTH

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Do you guys know about Wild/Fuller's teasel(Dipsacus fullonum, Dipsacus sylvestris)?

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MysticMoteToter said:
Dude, i never said the two were correlational.....just that, the fact that reishi is supposed to boost your IMMUNE SYTEM and then a week after i get sick after LITERALLY not having been sick in YEARS just lead me to believe reishi doesn't do much in that regard. Maybe its a consistency/frequency of dosage to make it effective but it's definitely not potent, low dosage medicine as tea in my very limited experience with it. :/ to each his own though. Again.... Im not saying the reishi caused it, just said it definitely didn't do anything to boost my immune system since i got sick w/ the flu for the first time in YEARS recently after having tried it.

edit: and honestly, when i wrote that i was just pissed and in a general spiteful mood due to how sick i was, e.g. coughed so hard my nose bled and i puked, coughed up nasty shit, just an awful flu sickness after having not been sick in so long. i do believe reishi does/can help, but not that it should be touted as the miracle tonic it often is. I was just really bummed that i happened to get sick after having tried reishi (not at all implying reishi was the cause, just that it didn't prevent it) I'm assuming reishi is something that needs to be used regularly and proactively to have significant benefits?

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Maybe the Reishi helped you get rid of the poison in your body?

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Raven44 said:
Yeah but both companies also refuse to share any data or analysis.

Making your own supplements is super easy.

Make quality grain spawn. Ensure its free of ergot.

Expand quality spawn into more spawn.

Keep all quality jars.

Let them age 4-6 weeks.

Optimal harvest time is when hyphae knots form. They contain goodies.

Put jars in fridge for 3-4 days.

Then dehydrate and pulverize.

Stamets also heat treats the mycelium so its more bioavailable. At a temp of 200 degrees.

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MysticMoteToter said:
Dude, i never said the two were correlational.....just that, the fact that reishi is supposed to boost your IMMUNE SYTEM and then a week after i get sick after LITERALLY not having been sick in YEARS just lead me to believe reishi doesn't do much in that regard. Maybe its a consistency/frequency of dosage to make it effective but it's definitely not potent, low dosage medicine as tea in my very limited experience with it. :/ to each his own though. Again.... Im not saying the reishi caused it, just said it definitely didn't do anything to boost my immune system since i got sick w/ the flu for the first time in YEARS recently after having tried it.

edit: and honestly, when i wrote that i was just pissed and in a general spiteful mood due to how sick i was, e.g. coughed so hard my nose bled and i puked, coughed up nasty shit, just an awful flu sickness after having not been sick in so long. i do believe reishi does/can help, but not that it should be touted as the miracle tonic it often is. I was just really bummed that i happened to get sick after having tried reishi (not at all implying reishi was the cause, just that it didn't prevent it) I'm assuming reishi is something that needs to be used regularly and proactively to have significant benefits?

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Yeah dude I'm sorry, I didn't mean to totally go off on ya like that, I was actually in the same boat, I was just in a shitty mood when I wrote the message.  Lyme makes me really grumpy lately and I have terrible mood swings on all these antibiotics

Yeah I can see being annoyed that you got sick so soon after taking the Reishi tea.  I do think it takes a while of use before it can build up your immune system, although some might find a strong tea helpful to treat an accute condition.  Some might not, you never know.

And as always, a tea only gives you about half the medicinals available in reishi - that's why you need a double extraction.  I believe most of the antiviral properties for example, are from the triterpenes and other components in the alcohol extraction. (but I don't have a source on this).  Sorry again though, I don't normally go off like that.  Not myself lately.

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crowseed said:
Forrester, thanks for the wild oyster on agar advice. Fingers crossed here. Thanks also for the focus on cytokines, which I haven't really looked into, though OH has us on resveratrol from Japanese knotweed at the moment.

I was lucky in the early days to have an LLMD, which are like hen's teeth in UK. She explained it was likely the muscarine in the fly agaric that was helping me so much, and so I looked into it here and there. Did a couple of Coursera courses which I barely understood anything of. I even took up smoking nicotine again when I found that it stimulated my nicotinic (acetylcholine) receptors better than anything else I had available (eg lemon balm, snowdrops, wormwood). I don't really know that much though. Just that when something works on neuro-receptors, it really works, and feels amazing. I've only recently started to try to understand muscimol in the fly agaric (it mimics GABA). You find out there are plenty of things around that can treat people safely for all sorts of things, but the pharmaceutical companies won't make money out of them, so you never hear about them. Walk into a pharmacy in Russia and it's teeming in tinder fungus!

I've got more than one strain of Lyme as well, B.afzelii and B. garinii as well as B.burgdorferii ss. Been infected in at least 4 countries. I'm a tick magnet and get them when no one else I'm with does. We use elder leaf as a tick deterrent now (just rub the leaf on or make an oil or tincture) and it keeps the mosquitoes off as well.

My biggest issue though is infected lymphatic vessels. They're dried up and stuck all over my body and stick bits of my body together too with an insanely strong biofilm that practitioners have mistaken for bone it's so hard and strong. It's this that does all the cracking and crunching when I move. In areas it's cleared from, I no longer crack and crunch at all. Some of it is still stuck to my skull and around my neck, throat etc, and it means the lymphatic vessels can't drain the crap from my brain. When something does clear and drain though, I get a great increase in energy and cognition.

Scabies is often found in people with dementia, and it's thought that it's because they can't take care of themselves properly. Scabies is known to infect the lymphatic system. I think it's because the lymphatic vessels are clogged with infection (eg scabies but there are lots more, including fungi, bacteria, nematodes), the brain can't drain the infection, and the build-up of neurotoxins etc causes cognitive and energy dysfunction. I finally bit the bullet last year and started taking horse wormer (ivermectin) and it does work but gives me tunnel vision and sheet vision, so I don't take it much anymore.

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