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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: normalperson]
    #27768760 - 05/08/22 02:20 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Hello, message intended for BOD but anyone chime in if possible;

What do your tubs look like before fruiting? I know BOD mentioned he doesn't differentiate between colonizing and fruiting, it's just "growing conditions" for him and perhaps others.

I also remember reading that BOD doesn't bother with a top plain coir layer...and also doesn't bother with casing with vermiculite etc.

Trying to get a visual feel for appearance, as i am moving spawn from a slightly warmer environment where colonization, consolidation and recovery periods take place in jars then in smaller trays, into different Fruiting chamber, trying to get a feel for good timing of the transition.

Any comments/photos would be appreciated.

FWIW - a la moisture content: when i was using an old tech that involved coffee, Zeke i think? He called for a gallon of boiled water, drop brick in, that ended up being a little too dry. Maybe just under 1.20 gallons was right.

When using the preheated insulated cooler, i found a gallon to be way too much water for even just right coir @ field capacity... looking like 1.75 - 1.8 gallons is just right without having to squeeze off any.

โ˜๏ธ This points to the effectiveness of the insulated cooler method, keeps moisture in, hot and maintained for good "cooking" of coir.

Aiming for dialing in everything so my moisture content is bueno so casing not needed as well.

Thank you in advance.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: sytheii]
    #27771033 - 05/10/22 11:21 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

There's so much activity on this forum wow. Was suprised to see how far from page one my post was. More reading suggests "mostly white" as the main target but still, any opinions appreciated on what appearance is ideal indicator for when pinning is likely to occur.

I think the colonizing/fruiting difference is still sorta valid especially if you're doing shelving in a grow tent or large FC... It's a space issue most of the time right? I mean if you're doing mono tubs then  your microclimate is the tub, so you monitor and adjust in minor ways, misting...and if you're doing a Martha or tent you automate humidity/airflow and set it and forget it, ya?


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27809771 - 06/07/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 7 months ago)

Still to date the best method to "cook" your coir.  Always so much love to BOD ><


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27866139 - 07/17/22 12:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Greetings from Poland โœŒ๏ธ


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27952639 - 09/16/22 10:35 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: thecrazyshroom]
    #27953439 - 09/16/22 07:09 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Tormato]
    #27968102 - 09/25/22 07:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

so you don't need vermiculite for substrate with this?


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: OneDreadHead]
    #27968114 - 09/25/22 08:05 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Nope. Most people now do straight coir instead of CVG (coir-verm-gypsum).


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #28083496 - 12/04/22 04:16 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks again for the guide, quick question, can i still do this with a regular 5 gallon bucket? (like the home depot one)? which is not insulated.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: herbert7890]
    #28083578 - 12/04/22 05:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yes


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Rusty2096]
    #28085943 - 12/06/22 12:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Hey all,

I've done both methods of bucket tek with 650g bricks, and also hydrating 5kg blocks in big tots and then sterilizing them in bags split into 4 PC's at once.

I no longer have access to 4 PC's, so what is the updated BEST way to pastuerize a 5kg block? you may say well split it up into 4 x 650g chunks and get 4 bucket teks going? I might, but maybe there's an easier way.

Let me know what you got, Thanks!


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: herbert7890]
    #28085976 - 12/06/22 12:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Thanks again for the guide, quick question, can i still do this with a regular 5 gallon bucket? (like the home depot one)? which is not insulated.




I use a crappy old cooler thatโ€™s not insulated. I throw a beach towel over it because it might help slow the cooling and it makes me feel like Iโ€™m doing something clever. Works every time.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Levster] * 1
    #28085985 - 12/06/22 12:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Hey all,

I've done both methods of bucket tek with 650g bricks, and also hydrating 5kg blocks in big tots and then sterilizing them in bags split into 4 PC's at once.

I no longer have access to 4 PC's, so what is the updated BEST way to pastuerize a 5kg block? you may say well split it up into 4 x 650g chunks and get 4 bucket teks going? I might, but maybe there's an easier way.

Let me know what you got, Thanks!




Why not just use the big totes? Toss a blanket on top to preserve the heat. If the water is close to boiling when you pour it in thatโ€™s enough for pasteurization. Is there a reason you also sterilized with the PCs? Afaik most of us do not sterilize coco coir.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: DharmaForKarma]
    #28086127 - 12/06/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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DharmaForKarma said:
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Levster said:
Hey all,

I've done both methods of bucket tek with 650g bricks, and also hydrating 5kg blocks in big tots and then sterilizing them in bags split into 4 PC's at once.

I no longer have access to 4 PC's, so what is the updated BEST way to pastuerize a 5kg block? you may say well split it up into 4 x 650g chunks and get 4 bucket teks going? I might, but maybe there's an easier way.

Let me know what you got, Thanks!




Why not just use the big totes? Toss a blanket on top to preserve the heat. If the water is close to boiling when you pour it in thatโ€™s enough for pasteurization. Is there a reason you also sterilized with the PCs? Afaik most of us do not sterilize coco coir.




It's because I was doing bags with added wheat bran for nutrients. Have to sterilize when using supplements. But honestly, I never found much higher yields this way, the bags granted me 100% contam free flushes though. When I do tubs and monotubs; I had a much higher rate of contam.

Also its hard to boil 10 gallons of water on the stove as opposed to just using hot tap water to hydrate and then PC after. Any tips on this would be great. Maybe I need a propane heater outside, and get a huge drum to boil 10 gallons that way then just dump into a huge tote with the 5kg block. that'll work eh?

edit: ANOTHER benefit of using bags, is i used alot less spawn. when i do tubs, or shoeboxes I gotta use ALOT of spawn to beat the contams. With bags, I could use 1 qt jar for like 6 + bags it was great.


Edited by Levster (12/06/22 03:04 PM)


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Levster]
    #28086456 - 12/06/22 07:04 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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When I do tubs and monotubs; I had a much higher rate of contam.





Sounds like a dirty spawn problem.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Mr Piggy]
    #28087370 - 12/07/22 01:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Levster said:
When I do tubs and monotubs; I had a much higher rate of contam.





Sounds like a dirty spawn problem.




I know right? soon as i switched to bags, it was 100% contam free. No idea.

Anyways. I'm going back to tubs, I am focusing more on clean culture. I only use agar now to inoculate, and then I use g2g from there. Always using clean agar to inoculate. Before I used MS, and I even tried LC but it never always worked out. A2G then g2g seems to be the best method, for me anyways.



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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #28131002 - 01/08/23 04:35 PM (1 year, 19 days ago)

I have an bag with loose Coir Soil. Should i ratio it the same with water (*5)?
Tried and it was really wet.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: sytheii]
    #28184420 - 02/12/23 05:52 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

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FWIW - a la moisture content: when i was using an old tech that involved coffee, Zeke i think? He called for a gallon of boiled water, drop brick in, that ended up being a little too dry. Maybe just under 1.20 gallons was right.




Yes I think most folks find the full gallon to 1 brick too much water.  As for the effectiveness of the cooler in keeping the moisture in and temps up I decided to track the temperature during a run  The jagged pulse one hour in is me mixing the cooler contents up to break up the lumps.)  This was a double batch(~1300gm coir) so in fairness thats double the mass to cool down. But this was still 8 hrs to drop below 140 using a crappy old small cooler I had kicking around.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Fungiloid]
    #28184450 - 02/12/23 06:13 PM (11 months, 8 days ago)

Been using this tek with great success, except using 2.5 quarts per 650g brick instead of 4. Gets right about field capacity every time.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: NickShade]
    #28185828 - 02/13/23 05:02 PM (11 months, 7 days ago)

So im reading this right, youre good to go after this process? Its pretty much sterilized?


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