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BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) * 292
    #24077162 - 02/09/17 11:27 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

This tek is part of bod's cultivation is easy as fuck link list



Bod's easy AF bucket tek

(an adaptation of damion5050's bucket TEK)

The original bucket TEK by Damion5050.



You will need


650g of coir, preferably in a brick form

3 x 650g bricks, try to find nice uniform ones, it's a VERY GOOD idea to weigh them first to make sure they're actually 650g. these things are made with little to no quality control so...


I find these for 6.99 a 3pk at the garden store.

an insulated 5 gallon water dispenser/cooler, or any other insulated container that's about 5 gal in volume.


5+ quarts of boiling water

How it's done


pour a quart+ of boiling water into your insulated water cooler. Put the lid on and shake it up.
this pre-heats the bucket's insulation
*you don't really need to do this and I often don't because I have shit to do*

Dump out the water now you have a preheated cooler.

put your coir brick in the bucket (650 grams)

I actually weigh out 800g off of a big brick and water like so.
1/6 coir by weight 5/6 water by weight 0/6th coffee 0/6 vermiculite
200g coir to 1000g(1L) water
(200g coir/1200g total=1/6th coir 1000g/1200g=5/6th water)
400g coir to 2000g(2L) water
800g coir to 4000g(4L) water
PROtip: multiply your coir weight by 5 to get your water weight. use the metric system and your water weight is your water volume :thumbup:

always check field capacity your coir might not be the same as my coir.


(650g brick into preheated cooler like so, pour boiling water on it)

Start with whatever weight of coir you want to use and multiply it by 5. for 650g of coir that's 3250. which is 3.25L of water.

These numbers are what I use but each person will have a different experience. It's a VERY GOOD idea to check field capacity rather than assume the recipe you follow will translate to your house 100% perfectly.

Edit for 2020 and onward. It's sounding like using 5x coir weight for water is giving many people soupy coir. And I've noticed the same with eco earth brand. Start with 3.5-4 and work your way up until you get things dialed in for your own brands and circumstances

put the lid on

come back in an hour and mix it up(optional)

put the lid on

use it the next day. If you didn't mix the coir while it was hot, that's a-ok. You can mix it once it's cooled down the next day. Remember to check your field capacity. if it's too wet you can add some vermiculite right from the bag, or wring it out as you go.
If it's too dry simply add more water(room temperature tap works fine) keep notes so you can hit it dead on next time.

if you decided to pre-heat the bucket the coir will be hot for nearly a whole day. you can pour it into a tub(that you're going to use to make a tub) so it cools down faster. Or just skip that step and it will be cool the next day.

if you do decide to mix it up after an hour or two it will save you the hassle of breaking a few clumps the next day.
I stirred some up after 90 minutes and the temperature was still 170F



Sometimes you want to do more. You can do two at a time in a bigger cooler

I preheat with 2-3 q of boiling water and then use roughly 8q of boiling water for the two bricks.
after 90m the temperature should still be at 170F

I find it's a good idea to do the mixing after an hour or two with the bigger coir preps like this, you'll have too many clumps the next day and it's a bit of a hassle. After 90m I can do it with a long handled spoon wearing no gloves so don't be a pussy and mix that shit up.



Why it works

Coir or CVG(coir verm gypsum)
DOES NOT require pasteurization, there are no beneficial thermophilic microbes thus there's no reason to pasteurize.

Partial sterilization is 170F for 10 minutes. Of course this is not true sterilization but it's past pasteurization.

Coir works better cooked, you can simply hydrate coir with tap water and use it as a substrate, but mycelium enjoys cooked coir more, hence why I use an insulated bucket.

I find the temperatures in the bucket to be well above 170F over an hour later. This makes the coir come out a nice dark color which is what I look for.

What do you do with it?

Bod's monotub
and
And video of how to do it

Field capacity

Described as the amount of water your substrate will hold before moisture/water will come out on it's own. It's how much water something can hold onto before gravity will cause pooling on the bottom. Generally it's tested by squeezing a handful of substrate and judging dripping that comes off. You want a few drops to a small stream that trickles to a stop quickly.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation

In the let's grow mushrooms videos by RR you can see at 32 seconds into the video on casing layer preparation the example of field capacity




results




coir + verm, no gypsum used


coir + verm, no gypsum used


coir+verm, no gypsum used


Coir + verm, no gypsum used


Only Coir, (MS genetics)


Only Coir


only coir

I kept these ESS tubs around just to show how hard it is to contaminate coir substrates

Spawned on 1/12/17
First pins 1/24/17
Harvested first flush 2/2/17
Pictured 3/6/17
On the 5/6th flush
53-54 days old. shrunk, covered in spores, torn up, chunks missing, and no mold anywhere
Bad spawn fucks tubs.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Shameful Idiot]
    #24125908 - 02/28/17 12:19 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

updated with one more beautiful picture


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24141629 - 03/06/17 03:54 PM (6 years, 10 months ago)

I kept these ESS tubs around just to show how hard it is to contaminate coir substrates



Spawned on 1/12/17
First pins 1/24/17
Harvested first flush 2/2/17

Pictured 3/6/17

On the 5/6th flush

53-54 days old. shrunk, covered in spores, torn up, chunks missing, and no mold anywhere

Bad spawn fucks tubs.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #24252373 - 04/17/17 06:30 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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updated with one more beautiful picture





So one time I was really baked and put TWO bricks side by side like this in my cooler. It took about 30 sec. after adding boiling water to realize that I had fucked up royally. They expanded with enough pressure to rip my cooler in half... Put too much coir in your cooler, your gonna have a bad tiiimee.
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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Organic_Magic]
    #24252486 - 04/17/17 07:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Organic_Magic said:
Quote:

bodhisatta said:
updated with one more beautiful picture





So one time I was really baked and put TWO bricks side by side like this in my cooler. It took about 30 sec. after adding boiling water to realize that I had fucked up royally. They expanded with enough pressure to rip my cooler in half... Put too much coir in your cooler, your gonna have a bad tiiimee.
:facepalm:



Hahah

Quote:

Moabfighter said:
Those last two pics sold me.

If you don't make it to 4,5,6 flushes, your spawn COULD be cleaner. No ifs ands or butts correct?




I think so


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: TheBlackCat]
    #24663394 - 09/27/17 06:20 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Picked this up just for this TEK. First poured 1 quart of boiling water to warm up the insulation, and let sit till my big pot was boiling. I then poured 4quarts of boiling water on a 648.9 gram brick of coir. Lid closed nice and snug. I'll let it sit till I wake up around 3 or 4 and check the temp. I'm going to spawn 3 shoe boxes at 1:1. Thanks


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25115775 - 04/05/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Geepee]
    #25124470 - 04/08/18 09:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Can I use this as my substrate? Or does anyone have experience with coco peat? being coco coir in disguise? lol, thank you anyone.

edit:  for the the pic.. 




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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: TopCat52]
    #25213946 - 05/19/18 04:35 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Gooseman said:
Can you elaborate a little on that...

You just put water in the bottom and it soaks it up?
Have any tricks for dunking?

I'm assuming the water added during the harvest (to float) gets the substrate pretty hydrated again, no?



  • Fill containers with regular tap water.
  • Be sure to take your tub to your bathroom or garden.
  • Cold water is ok.
  • Be gentle when pouring water

:shrug:
There really isn't much to say, It's simple common sense.

You will fill your mono while harvesting read this post



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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Dr. Freeman]
    #25214480 - 05/19/18 11:08 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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You will fill your mono while harvesting read this post






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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25286703 - 06/23/18 07:45 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)



Day 5 opened it up to take this picture and it smelled almost chemically. Idk I'm bad at smelling stuff cause of allergies but it smelled a little off. How's this look to you guys?


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Skipio]
    #25320405 - 07/11/18 10:49 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Skipio said:
What might your opinion of the Golden Teacher syringe from readtherules.com be?



My first successful growth was from a Golden Teacher syringe bought from read.the.rules.com and was very pleased with the results. It's a popular and well domesticated variety.
Any cube would do just fine.

My suggested plan of action is Spores > Agar > LC > Grain.
Spores > Agar > Grain works just fine.
Spores > grain is riskier. You could end up with a lot of contaminated and useless spawn.
You need to learn agar, SAB and G2G (grain to grain transfer).
If you do Spores > Grain, start small (half pint jar) and see if you don't have any contamination, then do G2G.

Small jar goes into bigger jar or bag (All inside SAB)
Once you have enough spawn, mix with coir.

This is the result of 4Q oats into 4Q coir.


I recommend OATS, it's so simple, very cheap and hard to screw up.

Also, if you are going to use grains, you'll need modified lids.


Post edit:
I also recommend starting a post of your project, with pictures and dates, detailing your methods so you can get input from more experienced growers.


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Diastamasta]
    #25375154 - 08/08/18 02:13 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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a regular bucket works just fine, I just feel better about the coir staying hot as fuck over night. I've checked the water cooler hours later and it's still above 160F even. that's in a room temperature room.

if you skip the pre-heat step then it will be like 130-140 a few hours later





Does the lid screw on or just friction fit.  Any issues with the pressure popping the lid open?



I use one of those orange water coolers to make my coir, and the lid is friction fit. Never had an issue with the lid popping off before. I checked on a batch today after ~13 hours using this tek, and it was still at 96 degrees and felt very warm to the touch.



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About 1:3 spawn/substrate - Am I screwed?? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25469611 - 09/18/18 11:03 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)





1st time grower... Everything is by the book, but I fucked up on the spawn to bulk substrate ratio...


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Re: About 1:3 spawn/substrate - Am I screwed?? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25473234 - 09/19/18 05:03 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

It is about 35% coir / 35% verm and 30% Spawn


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Re: About 1:3 spawn/substrate - Am I screwed?? [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25504707 - 10/01/18 08:59 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry guys, I'm still figuring this site and forums out in general using my cell phone. Yes, this was initially 50% coir/50% verm, however, I added more coir a couple days after my last post/picture. Is this salvageable? I'm thinking of putting more coir in and mixing it up to connect the mycelium?? Or is this contaminated? It looks like there is a lot of pure white mycelium on top and around slightly grey growth.



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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: 13shrooms]
    #25600207 - 11/08/18 07:22 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Im running some tubs now and pasteurization is not neccesary. I just used boiling water, 5 quarts or so for a brick. Each quart prolly cooked it a little more. Works great, and i used to do pasteurization cause i would think id fuck it up otherwise. Im finally stopped doing that.

The bag method works great when you dont wanna dub a minitub, really is awesome. However, i dunno if its my house and lack of air circulation but without a fan they became like this



I couldnt see that they were suffering from low FAE and i read the guide and believed the 24/7 FAE thing. So always run a fan or at least check FAE. i left the tub open overnight with the fan still blowing intermittently and the flush looked alot better. The next one should be perfect from the looks of it. No more weird myc-shrooms.

But yeah, please take my experience into account. (Also there were small holes in the bag where the tub opening is, and a loose fit, just no circulating air)

Ah crap thought this was the "easy AF bodhi bag" thread. Oh well, close enough


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elemantary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: Fractal420]
    #25615541 - 11/15/18 12:27 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I just used this Tek for the first time and three nights in colorization is going great guns. I spawned five one pound bags of rye berries inoculated with Mezapatec MS syringe. I would like to thank Bod for all the Easy af teks he has posted and is still following up on. I also just made my first bags with oats using BOD's easy af oat Tek and PC Tek. Very good and straight forward. Thanks bro




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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: geologicKool]
    #25653721 - 12/03/18 02:47 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

So heres what happened with my last shopping bag tub:

Went great for 3 flushes. But, (and this could be from heat treating vs pasteurization rather than the bag) pretty much directly after 3 flushes, it started getting trich/green mold. One day looked real white, next day bam the end. Still got a good harvest. When i was figuring it out, i first didnt give it enough FAE, then probably too much, cause during flush 3 it was already pretty dry. Thing is, when i didnt have a fan running, they looked fucked up, but i started running the fan (just for 15 mins per 1-2 hrs and fruit looked great)

This waa the 3rd and last flush (my own expanded Maz "substrain" or whatever)



Overall, you need to adjust to different FAE needs vs the tub and i never ever got 4th flush green before that fast. However this method obv works, maybe just needs to be tweaked. My advice is dont just leave em to grow and never check. Check all the time and if something is up, fix the conditions. I found the tub to be more "set and forget" but nothing is easier than just slipping the shopping bag on and getting some O's

Thank you for sharing this tek, bodhi


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Re: BOD's Bucket TEK for Coir substrate (an adaptation of the elementary coir tek by Damion5050) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25938667 - 04/16/19 07:06 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Found this at walmart for $7.67 its 100% coco coir and weighs 3740g!


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