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Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks * 2
    #24070932 - 02/06/17 10:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It should be obvious that the portrayal of anarchists in the media is a gross distortion of the truth. Anarchists have traditionally been vilified by pro-state media; it's to be expected when you resist the systems of power/oppression directly, rather than just the opposing party. But that's all fine and dandy, because fortunately anarchists believe in direct action rather than depending on some centralized authority to solve their problems.

Which brings me to this post, recent events have brought anarchists into the public limelight once again, and along with it commonly raised misconceptions have made their appearance. Anarchists as violent thugs out to riot for the sake of rioting, empty of any theory or rhetoric. I'm not here to argue with people who have already set their hearts on the above, but if you are interested in hearing the anarchist perspective behind black masks, property destruction, antifascist action, and a plethora of other things (like maybe what we get up to when we're not smashing the state), then this is the thread for you!

Ask any questions, and I'll do my best to answer them  for you. Even if you don't agree with anarchist tactics, it won't hurt to understand them.

PS: I'm always down for some lively debate, but lets keep it respectful. This is gonna be a fascist free zone.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #24070938 - 02/06/17 10:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Property destruction is ignorant.
Why don't any anarchist fucks get together and build something.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: California] * 2
    #24070955 - 02/06/17 11:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"Get to know the man who is too ashamed of his ideas to show his face"


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 1
    #24070959 - 02/06/17 11:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"We're cowards!  Follow us!"


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24070960 - 02/06/17 11:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Typical goofball rhetoric.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: California]
    #24070963 - 02/06/17 11:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Why wear masks then, coward?


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: California]
    #24070967 - 02/06/17 11:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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California said:
Why don't any anarchist fucks get together and build something.



A large number of us do! It's just harder to recognize us when we aren't wearing all black.

I have friends who are active in operating urban community spaces (ie, squats). The best of these spaces offer housing, meals, healthcare, recreation,  and comradery.

On the flip side, I have friends who operate their own farms, using permaculture and organic farming techniques to minimize their environmental impact. They can grow a huge variety of vegetables and fruit from seed, and take care of various livestock (mostly goats and chickens). They know various methods of preservation, how to hunt and fish, how to identify and gather wild edibles, and in some cases all the knowledge necessary to live completely self-sufficiently.

And then you have my artist friends; consistently creating incredible works of art. Sculptors, painters, musicians, poets, writers. Working hard to not only develop their talent, but also to create the means of distributing their art to their friends.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: California] * 1
    #24070974 - 02/06/17 11:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

doobs prefers narrative over rhetoric


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #24070978 - 02/06/17 11:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
It should be obvious that the portrayal of anarchists in the media is a gross distortion of the truth.




they arent anarchists, not these peckerheads protesting int heir black masks, they're
typical progressives which equates to fascism from little ass hat spoiled brats that
rely on daddy's money for everything


Quote:

This is gonna be a fascist free zone.




in a discussion of the fascists you want to call anarchists?


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24070990 - 02/06/17 11:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Why wear masks then, coward?



Several reasons, none of which have anything to do with cowardice. Cowards don't confront fully deployed riot cops. If you disagree with them, call them something that makes sense. Like 'fools' maybe, I dunno.

The first and most obvious reason is that it makes sense to obscure your identity from the ever prevalent security state if you plan to participate in illegal direct action. The second is that, even if not directly participating in the direct action yourself, masking up in solidarity makes it more difficult for police to identify those that are.

If you are proud of what you do you should not be afraid to show your face? Be proud of what you are doing but mask up to avoid the inconvenience of getting nicked. The system does not reward our pride.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #24071004 - 02/06/17 11:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So you are butthurt that the system doesn't reward your pride, among other things.  Cool story.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #24071008 - 02/06/17 11:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Why wear masks then, coward?



Several reasons, none of which have anything to do with cowardice. Cowards don't confront fully deployed riot cops. If you disagree with them, call them something that makes sense. Like 'fools' maybe, I dunno.




those riot cops always show up after the little fascist criminals don their masks
and start their bullshit. they are in fact cowards

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The first and most obvious reason is that it makes sense to obscure your identity from the ever prevalent security state if you plan to participate in illegal direct action. The second is that, even if not directly participating in the direct action yourself, masking up in solidarity makes it more difficult for police to identify those that are.




they wear the masks because they are committing criminal acts of violence like the
cowards they are and do not want to be easily identified, again, these arent
anarchists and true anarchists would be offended by it being implied that they are,
these are little spoiled dickheads that want to throw tantrums

Quote:

If you are proud of what you do you should not be afraid to show your face? Be proud of what you are doing but mask up to avoid the inconvenience of getting nicked. The system does not reward our pride.




so your belief is that anarchy is the act of destroying the property of private
citizens and corporations as opposed to fighting the establishment


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #24071016 - 02/06/17 11:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Wtf is antifa


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #24071042 - 02/06/17 11:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
Quote:

Senor_Doobie said:
Why wear masks then, coward?



Several reasons, none of which have anything to do with cowardice. Cowards don't confront fully deployed riot cops. If you disagree with them, call them something that makes sense. Like 'fools' maybe, I dunno.

The first and most obvious reason is that it makes sense to obscure your identity from the ever prevalent security state if you plan to participate in illegal direct action. The second is that, even if not directly participating in the direct action yourself, masking up in solidarity makes it more difficult for police to identify those that are.

If you are proud of what you do you should not be afraid to show your face? Be proud of what you are doing but mask up to avoid the inconvenience of getting nicked. The system does not reward our pride.




You are going to sit here and say it isn't cowardice to go around destroying property wearing a mask?

I don't care how you rationalize it.  The only thing you are trying to do is avoid getting caught because you don't want to be held accountable for your behavior.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: koods]
    #24071044 - 02/06/17 11:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Wtf is antifa




You've been defending thi shit for days and you don't even know what Antifa is?


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: koods]
    #24071057 - 02/06/17 11:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Wtf is antifa



Antifa stands for antifascist action. It describes militant opposition towards any organizing of fascist ideology. The term antifa comes from Antifaschistische Aktion, which can be traced back to 1932 Germany. However, antifascist resistance had existed long before, Arditi del Popolo of 1921 Italy being a good example. Since the dawn of fascism, militant resistance towards it has existed. Antifa is often misrepresented as a cohesive political entity, but in reality antifa describes a collection of tactics rather than a political theory. Communists, liberals, and anarchists can all unite under the banner without contradiction. Not all antifa are anarchists, but all anarchists are antifa.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #24071060 - 02/06/17 11:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Antifa stands for anti-free assembly.  They go around and violently attack people and set cars on fire because they hate gay people.


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: koods]
    #24071084 - 02/06/17 11:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Wtf is antifa





spoiled rich kids that live on their daddy's money that want to loot, burn and attack
innocent people in order to suppress free speech and strike fear into those with a
different opinion... you know, a progressive


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #24071087 - 02/06/17 11:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
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koods said:
Wtf is antifa



Antifa stands for antifascist action.  all anarchists are antifa.





how can it be anti fascist when it's just fascism


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Re: Anarchists, Antifa, and the Black Bloc -- get behind the scary masks [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24071088 - 02/06/17 11:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

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Edited by Senor_Doobie (02/06/17 11:55 PM)


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