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Asante
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Oddlings
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Divinity created everything as it is, and everything is as it should be. I am a gay Nganga, I have a hermaphrodite (true XXY) friend, also a Healer, and I have a friend who is an African Mystic and Wizard who has twelve fingers and twelve toes. Shamans, or, Chosen Ones, come as oddlings, with extra abilities and extra appendages, even right down to the DNA level. Divinity endowed us with extras, added features, and by those you will know us. We are of the people but marked, different, right up until our DNA. Embrace your Othernesses, they come in many ways. They are obstacles in one sense but they point you to the Road in another. Embrace our differences, that which separates us, and unites us. .
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24050656 - 01/30/17 12:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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...but my body is perfect.
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24052075 - 01/30/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sounds like gobblygook.
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Senor_Doobie said: Sounds like gobblygook.
Yup, to you it would absolutely make no sense at all.
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24053602 - 01/31/17 06:31 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Asante said: a gay Nganga a hermaphrodite (true XXY) friend twelve fingers and twelve toes extra appendages DNA
obsessed with the flesh, this person is very ill.
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24053671 - 01/31/17 07:42 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: Sounds like gobblygook.
Yup, to you it would absolutely make no sense at all.
As a blind man, it does make no sense. The notion that some deficit or perceived disadvantage makes you more divine goes against my beliefs. I believe that everyone is capable of divinity, and that each individual has the ability to become holy, if they so choose.
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Its entirely not what I'm saying but its only natural that due to our very different styles of communicating that there would be misunderstandings.
Everybody is an instance of the entire universe, reshuffled in an unique configuration. Everybody IS you and you ARE everybody in the universe as I understand it so divinity is equally present in all of us.
However there are people who are specifically drawn to the role that is best described as "spirit worker" whether you want to call that Shaman, Witchdoctor or whatever.
These people generally are associated by differentnesses that bring out that side of the human being.
Almost all Shamans are functional psychotics.
Many truly gifted computer programmers are on the autistic spectrum.
Loss of sight, too, results in compensatory abilities.
Bonsai. A different growth pattern because of mutilation.
Likewise, people called to the Spirit Worker role almost all have unique genetic anomalities. People preoccupied with the inherently unusual are usually inherently unusual people, all the way down to the genetic level.
There is a big difference between being born different and losing a functionality later in life.
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24054448 - 01/31/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Likewise, people called to the Spirit Worker role almost all have unique genetic anomalities. People preoccupied with the inherently unusual are usually inherently unusual people, all the way down to the genetic level.
There is a big difference between being born different and losing a functionality later in life.
I agree with everything you said except for this part. And just so I understand, you talk about a difference between being born different and losing functionality later in life. How does this difference affect their respective abilities?
Thanks for talking with me.
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24054449 - 01/31/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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am i a wildling?
Oh dear, my heart is taken From my chest Oh dear, my heart is taken I can never rest
By the moon I can feel your hear beating By the moon I can hear you call
Here in the dark My love wanders on When the cruel morning comes Then again he's gone gone gone gone
Brave though the stars they make me I can't breathe Brave though the stars they make me I can never leave
By the moon Where you walk, I can follow By the moon I can hear you call
Here in the dark My love wanders on When the cruel morning comes Then again he's gone gone gone gone
When all the world that sleeps The moon plays host When all the world that sleeps Then I see your ghost
By the moon There, your pale lips, they haunt me By the moon In your tender arms, they dance me By the moon They can hear you call
Here in the dark My love wanders on When the cruel morning comes Then again he's
Here in the dark My love wanders off When the cruel morning comes Then again he's
Here in the dark My love wanders off When the cruel morning comes Then again he's gone gone gone gone Gone gone gone gone Gone gone gone gone
Here in the dark My love wanders on Here in the dark My love wanders on
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24055790 - 01/31/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Asante said: Loss of sight, too, results in compensatory abilities.
Bonsai. A different growth pattern because of mutilation.
I'm pretty sure blind people don't have 'extrasensory' hearing etc. They've just learned to pay attention to those other senses more accordingly. They have what non-blind people have and vice versa.
And bonsais have no dna or genetics that a 'regular' tree doesn't, it's just had it's roots stunted and branches clipped.
I don't think it's accurate to say that just because you have some extra toes or are a gay dude with a wooden doll on a table that you have 'powers' 'common folk' don't..
Everyone is capable of much.. it's just a matter of who acts on it and how.
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Compensatory hearing is a good coping mechanism. Blind people listen differently, using background noise to identify obstacles for example. Using hearing to pinpoint the location of a dropped item based on the sound it makes when it hits the ground.
I believe we also have a better capacity for abstraction, because our problem solving abilities relies more heavily on ideas than seeing. We are forced to think more about every day things you take for granted.
For example, sorting closets, keeping things in their place, strategizing the safest way to navigate the world, etc. These necessities foster conscientiousness.
We also have to hone our ability to be charming. This is due to the fact that there are many things the blind just can't do without help. An example of this is finding our way through new environments.
50 percent of a normal person's mental energy is used for visual processing. Not having access to visual input could theoretically free that brain-power for use in other areas, such as imagination.
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And just so I understand, you talk about a difference between being born different and losing functionality later in life. How does this difference affect their respective abilities?
If you are genetically blind, you are blind from the earliest stage of development onwards through your formative years. Sight then is truly alien to you, it never was present and your whole organism formed from the zygote onwards without its presence.
If you became blind later in life, it is a change from what you developed to become.
A person born blind is whole in his own set of abilities. One who has become blind has incurred a loss of a functionality, a great tragedy in his life, and has to physically rewire his brain and whole existence in a stage of life not suited for it, outside the developmental period.
If you are born without sight its never been a part of you and our entire being developed without that faculty.
An inborn ability or disability will take you less far but also further as one who later on acquired or lost that ability.
I hope it is not painful for you that I use sight as an example, because it is so close to you. I can only empathize that reality, you live it.
I am a psychotic. Not just sometimes but all the time. Born that way. Not a second of my life have I lived in consensus reality. It is a curse but also a blessing. In coping with the absence of "normal" reality a different take on reality formed than would have formed and even be possible or someone who is not a psychotic.
Just like your perceptive senses are differently wired than one with sight, my reality senses are differently wired than one who lives in consensus reality. Because of this our disabilities but also abilities stand apart from those who operate a regular set of senses. In a way we are gimped and in a way we are like Usain Bolt, capable of feats that others are not capable of, not wired for. We are cursed with this but also blessed with it.
In Africa, if someone in a tribe is Psychotic, they take them to the witchdoctor and if suitable this psychotic will become the witchdoctor's apprentice and his affliction is not treated as an illness, but rather treated as a gift. There is a giftedness in psychosis, just like people with Asperger's Autism can make exceptional computer programmers. Psychosis IS the mindstate of the Shaman, the Witchdoctor, its how we access the spirit world, psychosis can either be ordered as a gift or neglected and manifest as illness. It is however not an illness, its an OTHERNESS - being an Oddling.
If you take something away, you gain something. If you gain something, something is lost. Thats how it works.
If you find this painful or disrespectful, my sincere apologies.
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24056765 - 02/01/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Not to be Petty, but
Psychotic Reaction?
(don't you hate it when that happens?)
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Re: Oddlings [Re: Asante]
#24056857 - 02/01/17 10:24 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Asante said:
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And just so I understand, you talk about a difference between being born different and losing functionality later in life. How does this difference affect their respective abilities?
If you are genetically blind, you are blind from the earliest stage of development onwards through your formative years. Sight then is truly alien to you, it never was present and your whole organism formed from the zygote onwards without its presence.
If you became blind later in life, it is a change from what you developed to become.
A person born blind is whole in his own set of abilities. One who has become blind has incurred a loss of a functionality, a great tragedy in his life, and has to physically rewire his brain and whole existence in a stage of life not suited for it, outside the developmental period.
If you are born without sight its never been a part of you and our entire being developed without that faculty.
An inborn ability or disability will take you less far but also further as one who later on acquired or lost that ability.
I hope it is not painful for you that I use sight as an example, because it is so close to you. I can only empathize that reality, you live it.
I am a psychotic. Not just sometimes but all the time. Born that way. Not a second of my life have I lived in consensus reality. It is a curse but also a blessing. In coping with the absence of "normal" reality a different take on reality formed than would have formed and even be possible or someone who is not a psychotic.
Just like your perceptive senses are differently wired than one with sight, my reality senses are differently wired than one who lives in consensus reality. Because of this our disabilities but also abilities stand apart from those who operate a regular set of senses. In a way we are gimped and in a way we are like Usain Bolt, capable of feats that others are not capable of, not wired for. We are cursed with this but also blessed with it.
In Africa, if someone in a tribe is Psychotic, they take them to the witchdoctor and if suitable this psychotic will become the witchdoctor's apprentice and his affliction is not treated as an illness, but rather treated as a gift. There is a giftedness in psychosis, just like people with Asperger's Autism can make exceptional computer programmers. Psychosis IS the mindstate of the Shaman, the Witchdoctor, its how we access the spirit world, psychosis can either be ordered as a gift or neglected and manifest as illness. It is however not an illness, its an OTHERNESS - being an Oddling.
If you take something away, you gain something. If you gain something, something is lost. Thats how it works.
If you find this painful or disrespectful, my sincere apologies.
No offense at all. I am pretty open about my disability because it best suits me in the real world to do so. I am somewhat self-conscious about it when entering new situations, and still have not fully embraced openness, but I am trying to do so. And talking about it somewhat anonymously brings me no discomfort.
I agree that with blindness, or any other affliction is easier to deal with if you have it as you put it, from the zygote forth. This would be the preferred of the two choices, because adaption through the formative years can lead to a more whole adaptation.
Worth mentioning though, is that in being afflicted later in life, one has very little hope without finding God. The search for and the acceptance or rejection of God will be really pushed to the forefront of one's motivation, thoughts, and struggle.
Of course, being partially sighted, I have had a similar journey. When I was very small, my disability was barely noticeable. Probably both because I could see a little better, because I was smaller (and so the world was larger), and I was a child so looked after as any child.
When I turned 17, though, and realized I would not be able to drive, I was awakened to a harsh reality. My vision has gotten worse (through cateracts), then better (through the removal of them), then gradually a little worse. It's been a journey that has only recently led me back to God.
As far as psychosis. I find your views fascinating and would like to know more about it if you would allow some questions. First, how does morality fit within a psychotic mind? I ask because as a Western cultural instance, I can not help but be a little frightened by the word, psychotic.
I find it very interesting that in Africa, the psychotic has a way to fit into society without doing harm. This is a very complex and no doubt fragile subject, so I won't say any more, and fully understand and respect if you do not want to answer my question.
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To unlayer the onion, I will go in more detail.
I have a condition called retinitis pigmentosa. It is a somewhat degenerative loss of vision through the death of retinal cells. Either rods or cones, whichever.
The effects include a loss of peripheral vision and night vision. I have always had limited peripheral and night vision, which was always a factor since as far back as I can remember, practically.
When I was young, my field of vision was better than it is now. I say that with certainty because my ability to play sports has debilitated. Especially ball sports. When I was in high school, we used to play 3 on 3 at the several home courts. People had hoops facing the street and traffic was light enough where we could play. We also played touch football in the streets or tackle at the church. The church would actually let 10 on 10, unsupervised football games to be played on their property. I guess they figured it was better than us shooting dope.
So, I could compete. I wasn't great, but I held my own and I was welcome to play all the time because I carried wits and was fun to play with.
But then it came time to get my license, and I didn't make the cut. At the same time I started growing cateracts. Doctors didn't talk much about them. And I kind of felt betrayed by doctors because I felt he should have prepared me. In the end, he was probably right. It was better for me to explore my limits as far as I could without being told there was something wrong.
But it was still betrayal. From not only the doctor, but my family. And I spent a great many years using that betrayal to justify bad behavior. I was angry.
So, I went on to college and wasted a ton of my dad's money failing classes.
I finally graduated and moved out to Phoenix. I found out about the cateracts and had them removed. Then I learned how to use public transit. Public transit in the US sucks ass, by the way. Some cities have good systems but on the whole, it's a problem.
Anyhow, I was perfectly able to use the transit system and go to work every day. But I got fired after a year of working for a major credit card company as a travel assistant. I was really charming on the phone and to my coworkers. Sometimes though in retrospect, I could be rude. I still can, obviously. Anyhow, it was a job I got through a temp service and they didn't take me. I got hired with about 9 other people and another class of 6 followed. Of those, they kept two.
So, I got another job in collections. It sucked. I quit. Got another job for a different travel agency and started drinking heavily. The place was kind of a scam. One day i stopped going.
Then I moved back home. I went back to school. I have a BS in CS. I am grateful to my parents for all the room they gave me to roam. I plan to pay them back as best I can for the rest of my life.
I am in the process of starting a business. I've been pretty distracted by the election though. Whole thing fascinates me. Oh yeah, and I found God again.
He was in my heart the whole time. Now I am trying to build my faith back up that he will see me to better times. And I try to spend every waking moment improving myself so that I can be an example and have peace. I don't have a lot of credibility. Haven't much to show for myself overall. And I am trying to push myself.
Faith is the belief that if I put something into the world with good intentions, it will benefit me and those around me. The extent to which you are able to push that out are a result of whatever your gifts are. I have honed certan skills through my life of waste. It wasn't all waste. I learned a lot.
But I prayed for the blue fairy and she appeared. And she led me to the center of the maze.
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Hella respect for carrying on despite trials. I would be an angry fellow if I lost my sight. I wear glasses/contacts and am up a creek if I take them off. I would categorize losing sight as a "catastrophic" life changer.
I heard somewhere, maybe here, about a guy that was blind and somekne heard him making clicking noises. Apparently this guy had gotten so in tune with I suppose his hearing that he could tell his relation to objects by clicking. Just like bat sonar. I thought that was some next level cool shit. It wasn't a loud click either, if he was in the same room with you you probably wouldn't know he was doing it. I wish I knew where I heard that so I could post it up here.
Here it is, check this shit out..
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That's incredible.
Ray Charles, according to that movie, used to wear tap shoes around so that he could use the echo of his footsteps to guide him.
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