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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24045747 - 01/28/17 06:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Isn't willing to live the factory preset?



yes, lying is a willing preset, if you will.
though, it's just a preset.




If you are saying that the willingness to live is a lie, I disagree.

Every living creature in nature shows a willingness to live.  Why are we different?



no, the willingness to lie is a lie.

the willingness to live is the only that makes sense.

that is what i am actually saying.

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akira's life sucks and he wants all of our lives to suck too



no, my life is great. i don't have to suck up to a bunch of idiots who con me into their employ, to pay me piddling for their dirty work...and i'm happy with that, among other things.

butthurt Mcgee- maybe you shouldn't make threads like this if you don't want to discuss these things.

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24045868 - 01/28/17 08:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

dont say things like "a happy life is impossible" if you dont wanna get goofed on


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24045878 - 01/28/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

a happy life is impossible. proof: life has pains, destruction, chaos, things that make people unhappy. thus, no happy "life" is possible. you can only aim to be happy, and i explained a few processes, along with others here. take it or leave it. but "goofing on me" is not something you're accomplishing, when you can't use that brainmeat of your's to do some interpretation, and then get all bent out of shape when someone says something in your thread that you don't like.

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24047782 - 01/28/17 11:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

akira, would you agree that the promary mode of being is to try to be the best person possible at every level of your being: from the physical to the social to the human level?


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24048126 - 01/29/17 06:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

um, yeah...duh. it's not the easy thing, like my first thought to respond to your comment was "um, yeah...duh". not the greatest response, but i'm just like "i'll scan through my threads list" and i see this and i'm like "dude doesn't think i'm a nihilist, does he?" :blush:



i am a Cynic. i believe that trying to be the best person possible is the goal of life.

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24048398 - 01/29/17 09:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

lol

No, not really.  I was really just responding to this:

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no, my life is great. i don't have to suck up to a bunch of idiots who con me into their employ, to pay me piddling for their dirty work...and i'm happy with that, among other things.





But, I have no idea how you spend your time.  Or what work you do.


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24048449 - 01/29/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

non-kingdom work.

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24048454 - 01/29/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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a happy life is impossible. proof: life has pains, destruction, chaos, things that make people unhappy. thus, no happy "life" is possible. you can only aim to be happy, and i explained a few processes, along with others here. take it or leave it. but "goofing on me" is not something you're accomplishing, when you can't use that brainmeat of your's to do some interpretation, and then get all bent out of shape when someone says something in your thread that you don't like.



What's happiness without pain? What's comfort without discomfort? A happy life doesn't require you to be euphoric 24/7.


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24048466 - 01/29/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

a happy life is misnomer, that's the point. it's just life. and it sucks- and it's the lies that we tell ourselves that make life work out at all. like i had already originally stated/pointed out. :shrug:

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24048500 - 01/29/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i still am not really getting your point lol.
We all "lie to ourselves" because "life sucks"? What doesnt suck? Being dead? What type of existence would you consider to be a good one?


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24048505 - 01/29/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

we lie to ourselves to make life bearable, and we lie to others, the selfsame.

you live you die. it's all the same ride.
what existence i'd prefer is one where
the ticket cost wasn't exorbitant with time.

ie, dead? why dead? who cares about death, other than as a philosophical musing...poetry...art...music...death is nothing more.

a good existence is here. people just ignore it for the sake of their confusion. which is bliss and which desire leads to understanding, and wisdom. but there is no "full and just and happy life" that isn't fulfilled as if one were a flower. if you can live like a flower, or a tree...then you can say to me, "i've lived a happy life".

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24048521 - 01/29/17 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i dont think anyone is in the position to say that everyones life is unbearable. I am far from living a perfect and successful life, but it certainly is not "unbearable".
I get suicidal as much as the next guy, but life is still all that we have. You cant just say that existing sucks because "the ticket costs to much".
What are you even on about, man. If life is so unbearable then why are you still here?

edit: swift move not to mark that as edited, lol. Living "like a flower" is the only way for lord akira to pass good judgment on you> Do you live like a flower?


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24048595 - 01/29/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

whoa, getting suicidal is exactly the thing. logically it makes sense. makes a point, sends a message. gets rid of the pain.

life is pain.

life is reward- which leads to happiness...temporary, unless you can process things beyond into more placid existences, which lends itself to understanding, also; as much as anything else that is.

yeah, i didn't mean to sound preachy, i mean, well, you stuck around though, so that's odd...must not be too preachy then.

reward is a shitty alternative to true happiness which is unadulterated, pure, like childhood. even though shit still happens and being a kid, people soon learn, is just as bad as anything else, it hits you; "but i never really realized";---unless you had it really bad, in which case, obviously something went very wrong, and that's entirely sad but also, empowering. it changes you, can make you a better person; but it's something you carry with you; imagine the things you can't even readily access in your memory from very early adolescence, and infancy...and as a newborn baby, forget it...clearly we're alien at that stage in life. memories at that age probably do not resemble anything conceivable to the adult mind [just think of that conversion of memory, as well, these cycles, the formative cycles of memory and learning].

these are already, no matter what, difficult times- and you've only got your little brain- at it's creative peak no mushrooms required (that is, of the mind).

"children abide, they abide".

but as life gets more or less into our own ways, more individually (as interactions arise), the goals shift- clearly there is something wrong here; but you can still move about, interact with people, influence people, work with them, basically you are showing off...but there is more than that- there is everything and nothing working at once, all right there- you're doing everything you need to do, as long as you are doing it- but it is not all but the seeking of reward; pleasures abound, even in simplicity; and to train the mind in simplicity is as important a skill as any, because your mind only seeks reward, pleasure, release from anxiety (what someone once called "nausea"), and addictions abound as well. addictions to everything, or i'll go as far as to say, if not addictions, certain compulsions- these things all result in a circuit of reward.

the mind seeks away from pain, unless it can, of course, face it's fears, face the fear of pain; which is the hardest to do...pain in it's many shapes. both psychosomatic pain, and physical.

pain rules over the pleasure circuit. it is the differentiation that overpowers; pain is a lot worse than pleasure. thus it takes precedence (alike when the body/mind reacts to differing pain stimuli on a 'which is worse' and 'which is new' basis- the former being a physical necessity to deal with organic systems; the latter being a formal instruction written into your psyche...what's next, and how do i deal with it.

death makes this all the more permeable.

even when people think they are happy, they are still mostly acting out of fear, or paranoia...or pronoia even.

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24048606 - 01/29/17 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i just dont agree. yeah, pain is more intense than euphoria. We constantly try to avoid it to be happy. Yeah, obviously. That's what life is. The struggle for happiness and pleasure. That's not lying to ourselves. That's taking the good with the bad. You cant say "unhappiness exists, so that means life is unhappy". You cant base life off of pain when there is so much pleasure to be had.

Life doesnt suck. It's just reasonable.


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Near Dylan]
    #24048614 - 01/29/17 10:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, when annihilation comes, it'll be reasonable.

and didn't say life couldn't be happy. i'd just say it's not a "happy life". it's something akin to the best of things and then things on the total opposite end of the spectrum, and everything in-between. it's basically like a work of art, in my opinion. to put it lightly
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you could also just call it shit though- but then you have to literally make something with it, like, oh i dunno, a vegetable patch. you have to build, make, create, to finds "true happiness" - and not passing happiness- but both 'kinds' are of import, anyway; but the fact it, you can construct a better world; which is it's own involution- a separate thing altogether; and with this you can make "truer" happiness. happiness being that you are emotionally happy, and that happiness is stable and "true".

that is to say, true, as in, "actualized", eg, you're able to access this state of emotional happiness, which would allow you to be 'truly happy', as it were. which is to say that you are not dealing with anger, frustration, fear, guilt or shame, nor indifference.

it's akin to the concept of flow- save that flow is a sensation of the selfsame as happiness, only without the same drive. flow is creatively driven, and happiness is contentedness that can be said to 'cultivate flow'- and or simply, 'to be happy' without concentration or action.

the intelligence is the vouchsafe of the soul. happiness is prone to weakness, unless it's constituted by what is purely inside- and given that we are borne of the physical, we need food, to survive, and clothing and shelter too- we need to produce to make money to make everyone psychically happy so people don't fucking go bonkers and war with eachother for the shear brilliance of the chaos of their reality in flow, in happiness.

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24048848 - 01/29/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Lies don't make life work out.  Speaking what you believe to be true will be proven true if the things you say and do while being motivated by that belief manifest themselves.


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24048947 - 01/29/17 12:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

lies make life more "bearable".

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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24049620 - 01/29/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Telling the truth does, imo.

I try to have faith that as long as I am speaking the truth, good will come of it.  Maybe that's a lie.  I guess I'll find out.  It's a new thing I'm trying.


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24049626 - 01/29/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If you could shed away the layers of social conditioning = happy life

Until then you are fucked


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Re: WHAT IS A HAPPY LIFE? [Re: Starstepper]
    #24050631 - 01/30/17 12:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I refuse to live my life trying to be happy. Maybe that's why we struggle so much.

How about in return we chase joy, a concept that is not shackled by things people or limits. Joy is a state of mind undependable of materialistic views, similar to serenity feeling monks get meditating for nirvana.

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