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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #24043062 - 01/27/17 06:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Can you elaborate?


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #24043076 - 01/27/17 07:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Sure.

When faced with an individual that shares the ideology of the national socialist party of Germany, both an innate desire to protect my nation and the call of my ancestors will force my body to project it's force against the face of the fash. In doing so, I uphold my honour as a man and humiliate a vile and pompous evil that can not be allowed to roam the world in freedom.
When the face of the fash is bash, I can feel the pride of the generations that came before me wash over me.
While I did not get executed for being a partisan, nor did I ge shot in the leg for bringing vital supplies to my family during the famine winter, nor did I hide a jewish man in my river ship, I still feel I did right by my family's history and the memory of all those family I never got to meet, because once upon a time people did not bash the fash, and allowed evil to go unopposed.

tl;dr: fuck nazi scum. Death to all nazis.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #24043085 - 01/27/17 07:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)



Just some Americans who died liberating my country from true evil.

Ever heard of Dachau, mate? Auswitz? Is anyone here seriously saying we should respect a nazi's freedom of speech?

Some moron will probably say: "I don't agree with you but I'll die to defend your right to say it!"

And I say: piss of, you fucking dipshit. Millions died to stop people like that. Millions where murdered for no god damn reason by people like that.

I will never be able to express just how much I hate nazis and all they stand for.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Kryptos]
    #24043087 - 01/27/17 07:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hehe, I just watched the neo-nazi getting punched video. Dude went down so fast. Immediately thought of a new nickname for him: "Glass Dick"




I loved, LOVED how he was punched at the exact time he was stammering about that stupid piece of shit frog button of his.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Turtletotem]
    #24043092 - 01/27/17 07:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i agree with you for the most part. I had family helping the resistance yet now I have stupid people in my family who
1. don't know who hitler was (I shit you not)
2. will be voting for the national front (which originally welcomed Nazi occupation and snitched on the resistance. )

:facepalm:

BUT there is a huge distinction between speech and action. Do you think Nazis should be met with violence for their speech alone?

Also I think this issue about speech will be seen differently according to what side of the atlantic you are on. in the UK, incitement is a thing. In the US, I dont think it is?


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote]
    #24043107 - 01/27/17 07:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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BUT there is a huge distinction between speech and action. Do you think Nazis should be met with violence for their speech alone?




Not just for their speech, their whole ideology and worldview, their idols and their literature, their culture and their values. All of it. Nazis are scum and must be destroyed.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #24043120 - 01/27/17 07:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

i can understand your views. Nazism by definition is hostile and against the well being of the majority of humanity


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Turtletotem] * 1
    #24043182 - 01/27/17 08:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Tipote said:
BUT there is a huge distinction between speech and action. Do you think Nazis should be met with violence for their speech alone?




Not just for their speech, their whole ideology and worldview, their idols and their literature, their culture and their values. All of it. Nazis are scum and must be destroyed.




So your solution to intolerance is even more extreme intolerance, you do realize your outlook puts you on even par with the people you despise?

Many followers of Nazis are just that, they identify will the movement but they don't carry out any of the actions of the past, should you "destroy" wannabes?

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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: qman]
    #24043199 - 01/27/17 08:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

none of that dumb bullshit will even matter when Jesus comes.  All bastards of every race, color and creed will be dealt with.  who cares


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: qman]
    #24043219 - 01/27/17 08:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So your solution to intolerance is even more extreme intolerance, you do realize your outlook puts you on even par with the people you despise?

Many followers of Nazis are just that, they identify will the movement but they don't carry out any of the actions of the past, should you "destroy" wannabes?




There's that god damn soundbyte again you folks keep sputtering out. But you're wrong. I'm not intolerant of intolerance. I'm fucking intolerant of genocide, racial theory, eugenics and all that bullshit the new alt-right jerks eachother over.

What you must understand right now is that I am not virtue signalling my tolerance. I absolutely despise all things Nazi and want them all dead. If that makes me a bad man then I got millions upon millions of graves all over Europe and the rest of the world to show you why I don't really care about being a bad man to Nazis.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: sprinkles] * 1
    #24043221 - 01/27/17 08:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think the schism of Nazism is part of its allure.

Its the Streisand Effect, but for apolitical morons.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote] * 2
    #24043289 - 01/27/17 09:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not talking about instigating violence, or using violence in the face of speech, but I feel there is a line at which violence can be used to defend against the manifestation of Nazism.

I dont think Spencer should have been punched twice for just talking on the street but at the same time, how far do we legitimise things like being ok with black genocide as JUST a political position? I'm not making an argument about that aspect, i'm honestly just asking because I do not know.



In my opinion, he has every right to express his opinion that genocide is ok in his opinion.  As long he's not doing something illegal, like killing people.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24043292 - 01/27/17 09:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

What about inciting other people to kill people?


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #24043295 - 01/27/17 09:34 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

hating people because of color or race is the epitome of fucking ignorance.  Hate people for their works.  no other reason is justified.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: sprinkles]
    #24043297 - 01/27/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Is intolerance of intolerance tolerable?

I'd say yes, to a point.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24043314 - 01/27/17 09:43 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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What about inciting other people to kill people?



I think that's illegal.


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #24043338 - 01/27/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_and_present_danger
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In 1969, the court established stronger protections for speech in the landmark case Brandenburg v. Ohio, which held that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".[31][32] Brandenburg is now the standard applied by the Court to free speech issues related to advocacy of violence.[33]





So i guess its ok to advocate violence, but not to directly order that violence be carried out. :shrug:


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24043382 - 01/27/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24043463 - 01/27/17 10:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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In my opinion, he has every right to express his opinion that genocide is ok in his opinion.  As long he's not doing something illegal, like killing people.




I agree. I put it as: when they act on those beliefs, that is the line for me..

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_and_present_danger
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In 1969, the court established stronger protections for speech in the landmark case Brandenburg v. Ohio, which held that "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action".[31][32] Brandenburg is now the standard applied by the Court to free speech issues related to advocacy of violence.[33]





So i guess its ok to advocate violence, but not to directly order that violence be carried out. :shrug:




This is where the UK(and NZ) and US split on incitement!


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Re: Is violence against Nazis ok? [Re: Tipote]
    #24043486 - 01/27/17 11:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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In my opinion, he has every right to express his opinion that genocide is ok in his opinion.  As long he's not doing something illegal, like killing people.



I agree. I put it as: when they act on those beliefs, that is the line for me..



Agreed.  And that's where they cross the line with the law too.


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