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mushboy
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: gourmet]
#24764075 - 11/06/17 02:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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gourmet said: I'd still have to break up the grain when i went to put them in the shoeboxes, and thatd equate a loss of energy as they reknit.
you are describing a grow kit. and how do you figure it looses energy? say that to monotubs with canopies.
if you are leaning towards it somehow being safe, or cleaner... then you really need to read a lot more about growing mushrooms.
ive never used slurry either. id direct you to that thread.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24764324 - 11/06/17 04:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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My first shoebox's I had 0 side pins flush one and like 5 side pins flush two out of all 4 shoebox. I thought you all just sucked at growing.
Until I became...
 
... Side Pin Shorty !! I think I have harvested like 1-3oz dry of side pins out of all my recent shoebox's. I have like 16 boxes that are all side pins like these pics like crazy, but ill take em !
If you're having trouble getting a pin set to come in, Maybe try letting your sub dry out a little.
I have been holding back on my misting, I think I have been over misting, because when I cut back and let them dry out more so than I thought was safe for good surface conditions, I got this second flush pin set coming in, which is much more impressive than my flush 1 pin set, which I misted more often for...
 
Anyone know the cause for pic 2 Casper syndrome on my second flush? They get those real wispy looking stems that are all skinny down close to the sub and gets fatter toward the top like a mutant. Lack of water? Nutrients? Too little or much FAE?
And lastly my most recently harvested shoebox

Very happy with my shoebox adventures....
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#24764401 - 11/06/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know, i guess it really depends, how are you fruiting your shoebox? I've always heard that it gets more than enough air with the lid on but I got best results with maximum fae, and misting till a bit over saturated, In my opinion now I'd place fae and surface hydration as the most important factors in a good pinset and flush. Your tubs may be doing better with less misting because the water isn't evaporating fast enough, I struggled for so long fucking with my lid trying to get it perfect and when I lost the lid entirely my yield quadrupled per quart of spawn. I'd attribute that directly to the open air conditions.
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Hey man, Thanks.
I think you're right. I have been giving much more FAE myself and definitely it could be that the misting was only too much because my FAE was low. Makes sense.
Could be because I am always running my dehydrator now and the room is always very warm. Might be restricting FAE I'm guessing, because of a lower temperature differentiation between the sub and the air temp?
My first tubs I misted a lot and had dub tub with no space. Best harvest but different strain. Now I have way more going on and I mist less and have my dub tub off center to allow extra FAE.
I also tried to test out field capacity on the wet side and field capacity on the dry side.
Had MS I took to agar, then took agar to grain. Did G2G and tried to compare these two sets. The dry set I spawned two days after the wet set.
  
Wet ^ Already harvested one of the tubs, that one blew up quick 
 
Dry ^ (My bad the pic's got rotated, point is they look like shit and I'm just not finally getting them to start knotting up)
Tried my best to give same conditions. Not sure how accurate it is but seems like the wet side of field capacity easily performed better, quicker.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#24764656 - 11/06/17 06:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea for sure, I go the wet side of field capacity too, but too wet seems to give the worst performance of all. Do you have your lids upside down? Misread very tired sorry, so you have them dub tubbed? Idk I'd say experiment with your fae and keep your surface conditions good, a bit over saturation but no pooling. I'm gonna do some more experiments with open air but right now I'm thinking it has been the key to my success. Can't have too much fae if you keep your sub hydrated, increasing both of those things proportionally should help.
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Harvesting my first shoe box tomm. Dub tub style and i am impressed. So impressed i went and got 4 more shoeboxs today. I do have a shit ton of side pins but oh well. I like this new method alot but i cant give up my monos all the way..
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What's your tub looking like?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24764827 - 11/06/17 07:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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gourmet said: I'd still have to break up the grain when i went to put them in the shoeboxes, and thatd equate a loss of energy as they reknit.
you are describing a grow kit. and how do you figure it looses energy? say that to monotubs with canopies.
if you are leaning towards it somehow being safe, or cleaner... then you really need to read a lot more about growing mushrooms.
ive never used slurry either. id direct you to that thread.
I'm not describing a grow kit, I'm talking about slurrying, except the colonizing container being the shoebox instead of the jar.
Yes, monos can get canopies, but in that case it makes sense to break up the grain so a spawn run can be achieved. But I'm not spawning to anything, I'm trying to fruit bottom-watered, straight grain.
So if I can manage to slurry the grain and have it colonize in the shoebox, I can skip unnecessarily breaking up the grain to transfer it from the jars to the shoebox.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: gourmet]
#24764881 - 11/06/17 07:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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the reason you need substrate is for the water content that grains lack.
a shoebox with uncolonized grains is 100% pure failure as it has an imperfect seal and i have no idea how you would transfer pced grains into it in the first place.
the process is rather simple.
colonize CLEAN spawn be it brf cakes or pced grains.
expand that clean spawn to a substrate like coir or horse manure in open air conditions after being brought to field capacity.
then either immediately or after some colonization introduce fruiting conditions ie increase free air exchange, surface moisture, and light.
slurrying's strength is increased colonization times of 3-5 days on quart jars. it is hypothesized it beats out contams from numerous inoculation points. in spawning to bulk i dont see an advantage versus crumbling it up and spawning to coco coir.
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Hopeless_Hound said: What's your tub looking like?
Thos was 2 days ago..harvest tomm morning.
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Not to be a dumbass but has anyone made a substrate and let it colonize for like a year then fruited it? Can it fruit? Should I do it?
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Harder to stop them from fruitung then it is getting them to fruit
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: cronicr]
#24765238 - 11/06/17 11:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Started my first shoebox on 10/30, got crazy growth the first couple of days & hasn't stopped. How's it looking? Is it safe to take the lid off to snap a better picture?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MagicJim]
#24765411 - 11/07/17 02:55 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its safe to take the lid off, of course, it looks fully colonised. Have you been misting, checking the surface conditions, etc?
This is the first shoebox I've had in a month put out more than one Dehydro tray's worth of fruits :

I hope the remainder of my boxes (down to 4) make it, I have fun harvesting and I'm tired of killing colonies
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: JHOVA]
#24765640 - 11/07/17 06:56 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I put my shoeboxes in my gh the other day. I have no humidifier so I was leaving the lids on loosely. I have been reading about growers having success with open air fruiting. So I put a casing layer on 2 days ago and took the lids off last night. My gh has 8 slits on each side to allow air exchange and I have a small fan that hangs from the ceiling of the gh, blowing air from one end to the other.
I checked the shoeboxes this morning before leaving for work and only a few casings needed a light mist after 9 hours. The hygrometer says its 73% rh in the gh.
If this works out, I may fill my shoeboxes more toward the brim since I won't need the head space. The first batch, I only used 3 qts total per. I am going to try for 5-6 this time around.
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First shoebox harvest. This one from 1 quart oats of ms creeper. Will update with a dry weight later.
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Variegated said: First shoebox harvest. This one from 1 quart oats of ms creeper. Will update with a dry weight later.

Looks good. I wish I had some fruit that were taller than the box. My best is 11.7g dry from 1qt of wild cubes.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: lewp]
#24765845 - 11/07/17 08:38 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Decided to give shoeboxes a try before putting all my eggs in one basket with monotubs. Still got a bit before they are fully colonized.
 While i wait for them i have a small tray going on thats just starting to pin.
 Excited to see how they turn out, all ms. Unfortunately had made 3 trays but while they were colonizing my girls cat decided to be a pos...came home to one tray knocked over on the ground coir n grain everywhere and the other she used as a litter box
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Nikoyo]
#24765853 - 11/07/17 08:42 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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other she used as a litter box
thats a good one. 
that tray could use a mist. lookin kinda dry.
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