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Enkidu
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Munchauzen said: I did all my shoeboxes 1 quart of spawn and 1 quart of sub for like 2 years. only when mushboy published this thread did I try 2 quarts of spawn. they both work fine. but yes, you need to mist your 1 quart shoebox daily, perhaps twice.
Do you recommend the misting mainly because it is only 1 qt? Would a higher volume box create more moisture?
Also did you notice a big difference in the yield for the first flush switching from 1qt to 2qt?
Maybe its too soon to tell definitively 
I like the idea of less spawn and sub, I couldn't stack my tubs like yours because the weight bends the plastic and makes gaps between my sub and the tub. That would be bad, yes?
I think I might try a few batches with your method and cut the total volume in half or so and see how they produce. By then hopefully I will have a clone on grain though which may impact the results compared to my current MS I suppose 
I recommend misting because its gonna dry out on you, guaranteed. All shoeboxes need misting. A higher volume box isn't going to create moisture. You have to place the moisture in it. It evaporates out of them and you must replace it, in all FCs. Boxes don't create water.
Yes of course you will get more yields with more spawn. This is a basic principle of growing.
Use some judgement.
Appreciate the info 
I thought maybe because there was more sub more heat was generated causing more evaporation from the sub and keeping the surface conditions moist. Guess I didn't think about water loss. Still don't know much about water content and how much water is lost from the sub. Wasn't sure it was losing a ton of water or not when the moisture seemed relatively contained Guess I was under the impression the misting was to keep up desired surface conditions and water needed to be added after you harvest for the next fruits more so than watering during the first harvest unless you get a huge pin set 
Uh thanks again.
I apologize for my lack of judgment and knowledge 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#24723320 - 10/19/17 09:29 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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'replacing' that moisture loss is more what dialing in a mono accomplishes. shoeboxes need misting to replace it tho.
its kind of a good lesson in just how much air the substrate gets even with the lid snapped on.(as in it dries out)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#24723387 - 10/19/17 10:03 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Appreciate the info 
I thought maybe because there was more sub more heat was generated causing more evaporation from the sub and keeping the surface conditions moist. Guess I didn't think about water loss. Still don't know much about water content and how much water is lost from the sub. Wasn't sure it was losing a ton of water or not when the moisture seemed relatively contained Guess I was under the impression the misting was to keep up desired surface conditions and water needed to be added after you harvest for the next fruits more so than watering during the first harvest unless you get a huge pin set 
Uh thanks again.
I apologize for my lack of judgment and knowledge 

In these shoeboxes, a smaller sub will dry out faster than a larger one. Its mainly due to the ratio of surface area to internal area. That is to say, the ratio of perimeter to interior. Because the smaller sub is thinner, its overall surface area is greater relative to the larger sub. The greater internal volume of the larger sub means that less of its body is exposed to FAE, and thus will retain the moisture longer.
The cultures themselves do produce their own heat, so this will obviously aid in the natural evaporation process. When the moisture evaporates from the substrate, it flows along the natural air currents created from the temperature differential created by the culture's own heat output. And those air currents go up and out of your FC.
Misting is for keeping the surface conditions perfect in a shoebox. Without misting, you will be hard pressed to keep them correct without the aid of a greenhouse. Even in a monotub, they still need misting. Misting, however, will not replenish the extensive amount of water lost from the fruits that have grown. After harvesting, you need to dunk your substrate to force the mycelium cells to hydrate again. This is accomplished by weighing down your substrate and covering it with as much water as possible, preferably in a large sink.
Please don't apologize. You are asking questions and thats exactly what you should be doing. Don't take my comment as a criticism but just literal advice. You mentioned not being able to stack tubs because it bows the lids. You asked 'That would be bad, yes?' and it seems like you already know the answer there. Thats all I meant. (of course additionally opening the lid would be bad, ya goof they already dry out easily enough as is)
Edited by Munchauzen (10/20/17 07:37 AM)
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I really like these, it's so simple, and that's me coming off my mini-monos where I only used 2 jars of spawn per tub.
5 days ago I made one and it's about 70%. Plus, not having to cut out a liner is nice too.
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Enkidu
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Appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
I knew there was a lot I didn't know, but I guess there was a lot more that I didn't know, I didn't know, than I realized O.O
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#24723489 - 10/19/17 11:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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When it comes to mycology, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns- the ones we don't know we don't know.
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Only have one quart of spawn, gonna make one of these guys today
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: waxbrain]
#24724197 - 10/20/17 10:25 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have made the right choice waxy
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ill be making some shoeboxes in a few days myself but tonight ill be making 20qt MEGA SHOEBOXES!
or unmodified mini monos. whatever you call em. sterlite plastics incorp calls it
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24725367 - 10/20/17 05:58 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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 A Little shoebox success. I really need to find some better genetics. Something that doesn't take 5 Weeks to pin. Lol mutants are PE clones. Other tub is Ms corumba Brazil
Edited by Tookitooki (10/20/17 06:25 PM)
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New genetics you say? All I want is some trade ratings. Psilocybe Cubensis Brazil
Edit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24725532
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Edited by Just_A_Noob (10/20/17 07:02 PM)
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Did my first 2 shoeboxs today. 2 quarts treasure coast in one..1 quart creeper in another. Plan to dub tub em when ready. Kinda excited about it being the first go with these.
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First time with straight HP and exposed grains... I'll probably case it IDK
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Couple of Tasmanian box I'm harvesting tonight..been having such a problem with side and bottom pins.. Almost feeling like flipping the subs.. Haha I've been so busy lately haven't had time to mist..

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: OneBadMan]
#24726024 - 10/20/17 11:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Steevo]
#24726038 - 10/20/17 11:30 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lookin pretty nice dood
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Tookitooki
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New genetics you say? All I want is some trade ratings. Psilocybe Cubensis Brazil
Edit: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24725532
I just have to keep digging thru my gene pool of prints until I find some decent genetics to keep around.
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Those are some good looking fruits man
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