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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MedicinalAndy]
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MedicinalAndy said:
What does dub mean



When you use 2 containers and use the 2nd one as a cover to give more room for the boomers to grow tall.

Edited by blazedup (09/30/22 03:23 AM)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: blazedup]
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blazedup said:
MedicinalAndy said:
What does dub mean



When you use 2 containers and use the 2nd one as a cover to give more room for the boomers to grow tall. and for better fae.




not really.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: DERRAYLD]
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Thank you!

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
blazedup said:
MedicinalAndy said:
What does dub mean



When you use 2 containers and use the 2nd one as a cover to give more room for the boomers to grow tall. and for better fae.




not really.



Ok 👌

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
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Once you mix the shoebox and place them in the larger monotub, do you leave the shoebox without a lid and just put the lid on the monotub they are in instead?

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: newbieshroomer91]
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sometimes the shoebox lids wont fit if the are pack in snug. up to you:shrug:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
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Dude..... I read 45 pages of your shoebox tek.
Before I realized it was over 700 pages long.
Fuck a duck... Seven...hundred...
(Is it still ok to be sexually aggressive toward waterfowl if I don't mention theys/thems/themmers gender or call then a fatty?)
Goddamn you deserve a medal for the years of contributeiness.  (Yes..... It's a word, let's move on)

Anyway... To the point. Care to save my squinty eyes and give me the current best info?

Drier climate.. AZ...
6 qt shoebox needs
2 quarts wbs spawn to 2 qts pcvg, right?
Pack gently...flatten...add lid... Wait til it pins, dub tub, mist when necessary,
Harvest, dunk cake, repeat?

Am I close?

Honestly trying to glean all the knowledge I can and not get roasted too bad.....

Edited by Philberto (12/17/22 08:21 AM)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Philberto] * 1
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Philberto said:
Dude..... I read 45 pages of your shoebox tek.
Before I realized it was over 700 pages long.
Fuck a duck... Seven...hundred...
(Is it still ok to be sexually aggressive toward waterfowl?)
Goddamn you deserve a medal for the years of contributeiness.  (Yes..... It's a word, let's move on)

Anyway... To the point. Care to save my squinty eyes and give me the current best info?

Drier climate.. AZ...
6 qt shoebox needs
2 quarts wbs spawn to 2 qts pcvg, right?
Pack gently...flatten...add lid... Wait til it pins, dub tub, mist when necessary,
Harvest, dunk cake, repeat?

Am I close?

Honestly trying to glean all the knowledge I can and not get roasted too bad.....



mushy has lots of medals.  including but no limited to tc tag which seems a small gesture considering literally everyone uses this tek all over the world now.

i honestly just use straigjt coir.  am i once again behind the times? things shift so rapidly in this hobby.  my friends think im a "tc" and i always laugh.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
Quote:


i honestly just use straight coir.  am i once again behind the times



Thanks. And Hats off to the guy, I just Can't get through 700 pages on this tiny screen. I just wasn't sure if the initial few pages ended up being the preferred method after everybody attempted it and then chimed in with their experience. (Clearly there's a wealth of experience here)
I just wondered if it had changed and with desperately love a definitive up-to-date instruction if anything on the recipe had changed

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
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Thanks Mushboy…

I’m just getting going and must say..this is super useful..Thank you for sharing!

Cheers


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Middle aged Canadian guy who enjoys growing Cannabis and interested in mycology.

Looking to meet some new friends, learn from the seasoned mushroom growers on these boards, swap some stories, and  share genetics.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Philberto] * 1
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Philberto said:
Anyway... To the point. Care to save my squinty eyes and give me the current best info?

Drier climate.. AZ...
6 qt shoebox needs
2 quarts wbs spawn to 2 qts pcvg, right?
Pack gently...flatten...add lid... Wait til it pins, dub tub, mist when necessary,
Harvest, dunk cake, repeat?

All you need is cv and you don't need to pasteurize, assuming that's what the 'p' means. Mush's tek is obviously time-tested and will treat you right, but if you're interested in exploring a more recent discussion take a look at this thread from P9 that works for shoeboxes or mono's:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27426583

Key differences relative to your list:

1. Much leaner spawn ratio -- up to 1 myco quart spawn to 6 quarts substrate (1:6). I've seen that other TC's use anywhere between 1:2 and 1:4. 1:1 leads to faster colonization but limits the size of your water reservoir, and P9 makes a good argument about why more water is better (without having to go beyond field capacity).

2. Between the substrate and top layer, fill the shoebox to the brim.

3. Substrate is mixed and then compressed. Then approx. 1 inch top layer of CV is added and also compressed.

4. The link has a good video on a bucket tek for substrate. P9 uses CV. Common wisdom around here is that gypsum is unnecessary.

That thread has helped me a lot, particularly the perspective that grain provides all the necessary nutrients and the sub is mainly just a water reservoir. The idea is that starting with more water helps maintain proper surface conditions and leads to better fruiting. This seems particularly appropriate for your dry conditions.

His caveat is that you need very clean spawn. 1:1 would be better if you suspect any contams due to faster colonization.


Edited by Wintergirl (01/25/23 09:16 AM)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Wintergirl] * 2
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Whytegold.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said:
   



that micro box is dope!

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
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Cool thread, tnx for the info.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] * 1
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:whatev:

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy] * 1
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Hey Mush, I’ve been a lurker on here for years. A friend of a friend did a few pf sgfc grows and a couple modified monos grow years ago. Had a little success, but nothing to brag about. I started to  study this thread until my eyes were ready to bleed after said friend wanted to try a new grow. It started off as pf cakes, and after sitting in the sgfc for 3 weeks with no pins, then finally getting a couple, just to have them abort, I said fuck it! You need to grate these cakes up and you’re doing a 6 qt dubtub! He used 5, 1/2 pints of cake to 1 qt coir. Topped with 1/8” layer of coir, sprayed the hell out of the top layer and let sit for about 8 days to colonize, then dubbed it. What an awesome tek! It so easy to maintain, and the fruits are just now starting to pop. Some decent clusters and lots of knots, primordia, and tiny pins that are hard to see in the pics. No side or bottom pins either. Did get one mutant that dried to 2.2 grams though (not complaining.) No way those 5 cakes would have produced like this!
These are Costa Rican, btw. Spore to lq which was used to inoculate the pf jars. Two more tubs are a couple days out from getting dubbed.
Thanks again for this awesome tek! It’ll be my buddies go to from here on out! 🤘🏼🤘🏼







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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Morphs] * 1
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Why are you dubtubbing? The mushrooms aren’t anywhere near the lid.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: The Tao]
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With the environmental conditions in the house, the dub works best. Lid snapped down, unlatched, or flipped is causing fuzzy feet like crazy. An offset lid is drying the out sub too fast. The dub holds a perfect micro climate in this particular situation.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Morphs]
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Morphs said:
Lid snapped down, unlatched, or flipped is causing fuzzy feet like crazy.


Ignore the fuzzy feet, pay attention to how the mushrooms look. If they’re choking they’ll be long, skinny, and sick looking. If the box is dry dubbing will make it worse. Follow the tek and leave the lid on.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: normalperson] * 1
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Thanks for the tips.  Ended up with 563g fresh from the first flush. Not too shabby since the of cakes used were old beat up things that failed to do anything in the sgfc. The next round will be done using fresh cakes and the lids will be left on until the mush hit it. After this round, the shreded pf cakes will be swapped out for 1qt brown rice jars to see how they compare.
Fun stuff!

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