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DezGWest7
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: mushboy]
#26757355 - 06/19/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Going to harvest these today. First flush first time grow Amazonian. Question i have for you guys, in the last 24 hrs, I noticed a purple tinge on the stem/base of them and corners of substrate. I tried to take best pictures for you to see. Opinions ?
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DezGWest7
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: DezGWest7]
#26757380 - 06/19/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm...so if I'm correct lmk, the purple tinge I mentioned, is it spores releasing from the gills ? I'm guessing that's the case since i notice some broken veils throughout
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: DezGWest7] 1
#26757618 - 06/19/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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DezGWest7 said: Hmm...so if I'm correct lmk, the purple tinge I mentioned, is it spores releasing from the gills ? I'm guessing that's the case since i notice some broken veils throughout
You have answered your own question. Just spores. No worries. You can pick the ripe fruits to not get a putple mess all over and leave the rest to grow a lil more or pick everything at once
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: mushboy]
#26758718 - 06/19/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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metaphoric said: Because cubes will never fruit themselves early, even if you put them in fruiting conditions. By doing it right away you let nature determine the transition to fruit on its own, which will naturally happen asap.
I like that explanation.
Indeed, thank you for that. Now that being said, do people still do it the ole school way of full colonization or is that considered unnecessary now?
We used to use wax paper folded to corrugate it and placed over my subs to let them colonize. Is there a disadvantage to this way of doing? Or was it just found that straight to fruiting is in some way better? I would think you run a slight risk, by not having a full colonized "casing" or at least that's what we were always lead to believe.
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shit...massive contam across many shoeboxes. is this bacterial?
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bare.whiterabbit said:
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mushboy said:
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metaphoric said: Because cubes will never fruit themselves early, even if you put them in fruiting conditions. By doing it right away you let nature determine the transition to fruit on its own, which will naturally happen asap.
I like that explanation.
Indeed, thank you for that. Now that being said, do people still do it the ole school way of full colonization or is that considered unnecessary now?
We used to use wax paper folded to corrugate it and placed over my subs to let them colonize. Is there a disadvantage to this way of doing? Or was it just found that straight to fruiting is in some way better? I would think you run a slight risk, by not having a full colonized "casing" or at least that's what we were always lead to believe.
Here's one side-by-side example of fruiting conditions at spawn vs sequential colonization/fruiting: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24692251
The current consensus seems to be that cubes do not need special colonization conditions, and that yield-per-time is improved by introducing "fruiting" conditions immediately.
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lefty24
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Has anyone here cracked 1.5 or 2 oz dried from one grow? It amazes me what the shoeboxes can do even you run just an inch of substrate.
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: lefty24] 1
#26759348 - 06/20/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah for sure. I’ve had PE clones put out 50g dry first flush from one quart.
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bare.whiterabbit
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lefty24 said: Has anyone here cracked 1.5 or 2 oz dried from one grow? It amazes me what the shoeboxes can do even you run just an inch of substrate.
My last harvest was just over 10.5oz dry weight from 4 flushes, from 10 x 2L shoeboxes in an FC.
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bare.whiterabbit said:
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mushboy said:
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metaphoric said: Because cubes will never fruit themselves early, even if you put them in fruiting conditions. By doing it right away you let nature determine the transition to fruit on its own, which will naturally happen asap.
I like that explanation.
Indeed, thank you for that. Now that being said, do people still do it the ole school way of full colonization or is that considered unnecessary now?
We used to use wax paper folded to corrugate it and placed over my subs to let them colonize. Is there a disadvantage to this way of doing? Or was it just found that straight to fruiting is in some way better? I would think you run a slight risk, by not having a full colonized "casing" or at least that's what we were always lead to believe.
Here's one side-by-side example of fruiting conditions at spawn vs sequential colonization/fruiting: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24692251
The current consensus seems to be that cubes do not need special colonization conditions, and that yield-per-time is improved by introducing "fruiting" conditions immediately.
Thank, man...that's awesome to know and hopefully will cut back on fruiting times and some issues that do arise from subs not fully colonizing anyways, due to some little bacterial fucker that gets in there after the fact and bends you over
EDIT: Actually that's insane how much of a difference in time and possible loss of optimal conditions. I hope this is the case, because we have 6 x 3lbs bags ready to go into the 8 shoes and I would love if they just popped off like that after a week.
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What do you guys think of these shoeboxes? They've looked the same for 5 days now. It's only on day 9 so I'm not worried, just want some second opinions on the boxes and setup.
P.s. the two boxes look so different because one got a casing and the other didn't. Just wanted to experiment a little to see if there's any noticeable difference.
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They look good to me.
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Nice 👍 anyone agree?
Would you guys cut holes in the top of the greenhouse cover and cover them with micropore tape for ventilation or just leave it alone? I've got a fan on low, 5 feet away, pointed at the foot of the GH. The tassels at the top move so there's definitely light airflow throughout.
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dfwerydfhg
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Should I be able to see tiny droplets on the casing surface at all times after spawning to the shoebox? I've got growth through the top layer of coir, moisture on the sides of the box (above substrate), a good dark coir layer, but no little droplets.
It's only day 3 after spawning, is it worth a very brief indirect mist to get some droplets settled in?
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metaphoric
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The color of the coir is the best indicator imo. Sounds like you're good with dark damp coir
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dfwerydfhg said: Should I be able to see tiny droplets on the casing surface at all times after spawning to the shoebox? I've got growth through the top layer of coir, moisture on the sides of the box (above substrate), a good dark coir layer, but no little droplets.
It's only day 3 after spawning, is it worth a very brief indirect mist to get some droplets settled in?
In order to initiate pinning you ideally want 90%+ RH, then after pin-set dial it back to around 85% RH for fruiting. I would do some searching around here to find images of ideal pinning and fruiting conditions and you'll be able to tell if you're doing okay in the humidity department.
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Don’t worry about it yet, the drops should form on their own once more myc grows into the surface. If it’s almost totally colonized and still dry then I’d mist it a little.
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: A.k.a]
#26777103 - 06/23/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That pic up top, when I harvested = 300 G Wet ...then I made a terrible mistake. I did enjoy the largest one which weighed 18G wet, then put it the remaining ..into the oven at 200 ...by the time i checked again, not only did they not dry they had no effects whatsoever. Not fcking up like that again. Now the 2nd flush is also not growing proper since the top layer is covered in spores.
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Re: Making shoeboxes 1 [Re: DezGWest7]
#26777144 - 06/23/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That sucks. I had a dehydrator kill all my magic one time, which I totally don't understand since everyone here says a dehydrator on full heat works great.
I've only used a fan and desiccant ever since. I actually just tried the dehydrator again for the first time today, gave my buddy the sample so I'll know by tomorrow what's what. I think my dehydrator might get hotter than most because my mush is cracker dry after 2.5hrs.
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What's the general consensus on side pins? Flip the sub and fruit off the lid? If I just leave it will they run out of room and fruit from the top?
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They will make their way up. If something has gone crazy and I have more side pins than top pins I'll take sub out of shoebox and finish in a mono.
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