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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25722554 - 01/04/19 10:02 AM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: Edit: I had this crackpot idea that probably doesn’t deserve its own thread, but what if TEK’s were labeled with climate zones. USDA agricultural growing zones would even be a step.
Elevation can play a role in sterilization Times. Humidity plays a huge role for obvious reasons.
It's probably over-kill to worry about your climate zone. As long as you can maintain room temp and a tub maintains humidity, you're good. Your natural conditions should only really matter if you're growing outside or want to try open air fruiting. For most applications you should only need to make small adjustments like mist more/less and adjust FAE for more/less. Experience or trial & error should get you dialed in with that.
I mean, people do make small or large adjustments to existing teks all the time. I I think it would be worth knowing what the ambient rh was for a given tek was. I wonder (I bet) if over time we’d start to see accurate adjustments rather than just “winging it” where big differentiation in climate is concerned.
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Thanks for the input LtLurker! I know it is done, but I assumed it would just delay the inevitable.
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BeefSupremeJr said:Edit: I had this crackpot idea that probably doesn’t deserve its own thread, but what if TEK’s were labeled with climate zones. USDA agricultural growing zones would even be a step.
Elevation can play a role in sterilization Times. Humidity plays a huge role for obvious reasons.
Honestly Beef, I come from the succulent growing community and we divided ourselves up exactly like this because advise on those plants really depends on regions. General discussion only centered around end product, and growing/cultivating specifics were 100% region based.
So! It was a super shock for me to move over to mycology and find that this really doesn't matter as much (well, for indoor grows) because things like temp/light/RH are much much MUSH easier to control for mushrooms. I think certain things are helpful based on region but only like... making Straw Logs is way harder in the midwest this time of year. Not like "You need X lighting no more than 8" from the plant on a 14/10 schedule with XY nitrogen in the soil to compensate for Z, only water once ever 10-14 days, and you need fans on them because of region 6A conditions in December" levels that are out there for succulents.
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BeefSupremeJr said: I mean, people do make small or large adjustments to existing teks all the time. I I think it would be worth knowing what the ambient rh was for a given tek was. I wonder (I bet) if over time we’d start to see accurate adjustments rather than just “winging it” where big differentiation in climate is concerned.
I mean... I would agree except that where I live the RH in my apartment is SUPER FUCKING HIGH this time of year because of radiator heating, but like my neighbors are freezing who use forced air.
I guess, ultimately, the differences you're talking about are footnotes on teks. For me "playing god" to create environments for mushrooms is about a thousand times easier than succulents, so I don't see the need to differentiate as much.
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BeefSupremeJr
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I hear you my dude. My background is commercial greenhouse growing and propagation. I’m a state certified propagator and for every of the 4200 species of plants I propagated from seed or cutting, there were specific instructions based on ag zone. For some natives, I wrote the book myself.
My climate is ruthless dry, and the forced air runs constantly to keep up so it dries stuff out— that’s as much of an environmental factor as anything. Rh is consistently below 20. This definitely has a big effect on all things water related.
I know people do seem to get good results playing it by ear, I’m just saying it might be possible to dial it in even closer., Just a fleeting thought.
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BeefSupremeJr said: Edit: I had this crackpot idea that probably doesn’t deserve its own thread, but what if TEK’s were labeled with climate zones. USDA agricultural growing zones would even be a step.
Elevation can play a role in sterilization Times. Humidity plays a huge role for obvious reasons.
It's probably over-kill to worry about your climate zone. As long as you can maintain room temp and a tub maintains humidity, you're good. Your natural conditions should only really matter if you're growing outside or want to try open air fruiting. For most applications you should only need to make small adjustments like mist more/less and adjust FAE for more/less. Experience or trial & error should get you dialed in with that.
I mean, people do make small or large adjustments to existing teks all the time. I I think it would be worth knowing what the ambient rh was for a given tek was. I wonder (I bet) if over time we’d start to see accurate adjustments rather than just “winging it” where big differentiation in climate is concerned.
This may sound counter-intuitive; but outside of an acceptable range for open air fruiting, adding in advice based on RH is probably more likely to screw people up.(not including Martha's or controlled rooms ofc)
Ever seen someone get all hung up on their sgfc rh and just lost as to why no mushrooms are growing "at perfect rh" or "Misting a lot because rh is low and needs water". They should be using their eyes and reading the surface, not reading the humidity and trying to adjust based on that.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25722578 - 01/04/19 10:18 AM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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LtLurker said: They should be using their eyes and reading the surface, not reading the humidity and trying to adjust based on that.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25722583 - 01/04/19 10:21 AM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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I’m just saying, like if your tek was created in an area where rh is high, a footnote saying “consider a half inch top-layer” etc. I don’t see how more data can ever hurt because my ed background is in biology but I hear you dog.
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BeefSupremeJr said: I hear you my dude. My background is commercial greenhouse growing and propagation. I’m a state certified propagator and for every of the 4200 species of plants I propagated from seed or cutting, there were specific instructions based on ag zone. For some natives, I wrote the book myself.
Fucking-a right! Cool AF work there. I'm trying to move from an office to a greenhouse over the next 3-5 years myself.
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Oh I could probably help you out there. My letter of recommendation carries weight in my state.
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BeefSupremeJr said: Oh I could probably help you out there. My letter of recommendation carries weight in my state.
I’m trying to move from the greenhouse into retirement. 17 years of it I could puke thinking about working another season... you wanna talk about about a stressful job. You think human bosses are hard? Try working for plants!
Good luck to you though. Let me know if I can help.
Edit: didn’t edit that right. Fuck.
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BeefSupremeJr said: Oh I could probably help you out there. My letter of recommendation carries weight in my state.
I’m trying to move from the greenhouse into retirement. 17 years of it I could puke thinking about working another season... you wanna talk about about a stressful job. You think human bosses are hard? Try working for plants!
Good luck to you though. Let me know if I can help.
Cool! Thanks, I'll keep that in mind (I'm in IL). Also, plants are currently my mistress... and I get what you mean. Last year I started getting into cacti cultivation and everything popped/died right around Nov. 15 for some reason. They were all doing great and at about 6+ mo. then splat! If I was depending on those for money I'd be fucked in about 3 more months.
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BeefSupremeJr said: I’m just saying, like if your tek was created in an area where rh is high, a footnote saying “consider a half inch top-layer” etc. I don’t see how more data can ever hurt because my ed background is in biology but I hear you dog.
I hear what you're saying. It is helpful info for sure. Seeing how someone else compensates for a dry environment for example can give you a nudge in a good direction to deal with your own dry conditions.
I think my biggest point of disagreement is that TEKs are an attempt at a simplified version for a beginner. After seeing many first timers get hung up on details, it makes a lot of sense to me to have generic directions, and help from the community on details when you see issues.
Another good example of this would be the unmodded tub thread. It mentions you can adjust your FAE by rotating the lid. The thread has a ton of first timers asking details on how their lid should be rotated. The only real answer is it totally depends on your individual conditions, adjust it as you see fit based on the substrate.
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I remember a couple years ago when the heater went out in one of the main green houses we lost 95% of the seedlings that I had been doing for for five months. Talking about a half $1 million loss—lucky it was all insured.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker] 1
#25722632 - 01/04/19 10:50 AM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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LtLurker said: After seeing many first timers get hung up on details, it makes a lot of sense to me to have generic directions, and help from the community on details when you see issues.
I found this forum off of Reddit... and I can tell you from my inbox there that people get seriously seriously hung up on the details. I actually stopped helping out newbies as much on Reddit for this exact reason. I remember once someone was messaging me and they were like "What do I use to grind/cut up the coir before boiling it". It doesn't seem to matter how many details you put in, if people don't read the answer they're looking for they'll just freak out and panic. Most of the time just doing the process will explain answers, but people ... sheesh.
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BeefSupremeJr said: I remember a couple years ago when the heater went out in one of the main green houses we lost 95% of the seedlings that I had been doing for for five months. Talking about a half $1 million loss—lucky it was all insured.
/hijack
Fuck jesus fuck.
Edited by ShaperDreaming (01/04/19 10:54 AM)
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Courtesy of a shared print from my friend jhova. GT I believe. Will test tomorrow night.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25722698 - 01/04/19 11:17 AM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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mullugh said: GT I believe.
Interesting albinism (?!) if this is GT!
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25722705 - 01/04/19 11:19 AM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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Courtesy of a shared print from my friend jhova. GT I believe. Will test tomorrow night.
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When you have lots of odds and sods jars hanging around and some suspect jars any size box is a good'n
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Edmunter]
#25722845 - 01/04/19 12:44 PM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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My dude u are messy, yet resourceful
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mullugh said: GT I believe.
Interesting albinism (?!) if this is GT!
They barely print so I think albinism is about right
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mullugh]
#25722882 - 01/04/19 01:01 PM (5 years, 26 days ago) |
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Judging by the pigment in the cap it's probably Leucistic, not albino. (LGT?) Albino will have pigmentless spores. If you're getting light prints you might be taking the caps a bit early, or just bad spore producing genetics.
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