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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25721465 - 01/03/19 05:56 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

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Don't proclaim expertise per se, but looks like it's matted from drying out and then overmisting... how's your FAE setup,  still snapped?




Lids have been flipped for a while now with an obvious gap and yes,  I think I'm on this roller-coaster of drying out and then over-misting.

How to rectify this at this critical stage?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25721476 - 01/03/19 06:03 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

That first pic is about to BLOW up get it the fuck out of there.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25721477 - 01/03/19 06:04 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

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Bongoman - Tub 1 is trash man. You got some serious mold happening. Rest I don't see anything bad or matted. I think jsut some patience, or try top layer. I'm not the best at colonized surfaces, maybe someone sees something I don't.




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That first pic is about to BLOW up get it the fuck out of there.




OK, have trashed box one. Thanks, flying blind here! Feeling a bit confused that I just thought box one was healthy. I feel an idiot asking this, but what are the obvious signs in this box so I can learn from this experience? Do the other boxes look ok?



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bongoman]
    #25721644 - 01/03/19 07:32 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

Do You have a color photo? Bottom right looks suspect... nothing to be done about matting, but pins will push through it... just maintain surface moisture with light mistings, allowing evaporation to occur between mistings to stimulate pinning...


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bongoman]
    #25721725 - 01/03/19 08:10 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

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Bongoman - Tub 1 is trash man. You got some serious mold happening. Rest I don't see anything bad or matted. I think jsut some patience, or try top layer. I'm not the best at colonized surfaces, maybe someone sees something I don't.




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That first pic is about to BLOW up get it the fuck out of there.




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OK, have trashed box one. Thanks, flying blind here! Feeling a bit confused that I just thought box one was healthy. I feel an idiot asking this, but what are the obvious signs in this box so I can learn from this experience? Do the other boxes look ok?










That massive green patch is Trich and leaving the box with a big sporulating contaminant colony in the same vicinity of your other boxes will likely lead to more contaminants in the other grows.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25721728 - 01/03/19 08:13 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

Damn man there's so much going on in this thread it's hard to keep up

If you want a good shoebox my best suggestion is make sure you have good field capacity, do a pseudo casing of verm and coir (I like a little extra verm for the top layer) after mixing, then throw on the lid and wait and wait and wait. Leave that shit alone. Unless something is off you should start to see pins without ever opening it. All my boxes I open after a full pinset is in

Mechalegend, that shit looks off I really don't know what's going on to be honest. I would probably mist once or twice a day and dub it and just wait.

Guys if you have good field capacity, and you have a top layer of coir and verm, these boys really don't need you to do anything. Just spawn and wait. Don't try and force shit, that's where you fuck shit up. Don't try to initiate pinning, you need to be a my whsiperer. Let the box tell you want to do.

Upping fae is good AFTER pinset.

High humidity and high co2 is good for pin formation, you add air ans you're fucking that up

But that's just my opinion maybe I'm a dumbass so take it with a grain of salt I suppose


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: elohim]
    #25721732 - 01/03/19 08:16 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

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That massive green patch is Trich and leaving the box with a big sporulating contaminant colony in the same vicinity of your other boxes will likely lead to more contaminants in the other grows.




OK, got it, thanks. Being red / green colour blind doesn't help I guess πŸ˜•

I disposed of it in my outdoor compost bin - I guess that's sufficient?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25721743 - 01/03/19 08:25 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

Micromanage shit and you fuck shit up.

Here's some boxes I opened for the first time to take this pic.




What am I going to do?

I'm going to put the lid right back on and wait

I guess maybe every strain is different and everyone's environment too,but this is what I do in the summer and the winter amd eoth every strain and I only pop the lid if something is off, like matting or aerial myc develops.

You gotta do what they want when they want it. You can't force them to do what you want. You provide for them, they don't give two fucks if you want them to pin, they pin when they're ready

Also if anyone ever has a question you can feel free to pm me if someone misses it in the thread since this thread is always so damn busy

Seems caps is always here to answer though and some other trusty regulars


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25721768 - 01/03/19 08:37 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

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Guys if you have good field capacity, and you have a top layer of coir and verm, these boys really don't need you to do anything.
Just spawn and wait.



Awesome advice here.:super:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25721867 - 01/03/19 09:38 PM (5 years, 27 days ago)

Thanks my man Nate :hatsoff:


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    #25722319 - 01/04/19 07:15 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: thelanzii]
    #25722395 - 01/04/19 08:30 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

Set it and forget it


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25722407 - 01/04/19 08:36 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

First time doing shoeboxes, 2nd attempt at PE.  My first PE attempt last year, the vendor must have mislabeled a syringe because what grew was not PE (but was still damn good).

PE syringe to agar, transferred for four generations then put to rye.  Spawned four boxes with coir on Dec. 25th, pics are from today (2019-01-04).

Two boxes are 1:1 and mixed up and two boxes are 1:1 layered with the spawn at the bottom. 
Even on the agar, the myc has this interesting growth pattern, very fast and I had a couple plates pin and grow a small mush when I left them too long - I made a clone off one of them and it's currently doing it's thing in agar.

Thinking it all looks ok, but I'm not an expert.  This is the first time I've done a layered/psuedocased grow.  The myc is interesting looking; shooting up through the surface of the coir. 
Right now all four have had their lids on, no misting, just letting it ride with 12/12 light.

Please excuse my camera flash and my inability to make an even/smooth tub surface:







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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: OldNuts]
    #25722445 - 01/04/19 08:55 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

Shoebox seems too dry,  if you look close you can see that the coir is light brown.  I snapped the handles back on after misting today.  Shitty mist job as you can see I had to piss.  I see a lot of good knots, but I’m worried I won’t have enough latent moisture to flush hard.  It seems tempting to fill it with water and soak for a good long while, but I’ve never heard of anyone doing this with a sb. 


Lmk what you think.  Thanks in advance. 




Edit: I don’t know maybe I’m crazy.  Here’s a closer pic.  I hate fruiting.  It’s always so intuitive and experience based,  of which I have none with regard to shoe boxes.



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #25722461 - 01/04/19 09:05 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

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It seems tempting to fill it with water and soak for a good long while, but I’ve never heard of anyone doing this with a sb. 


Lmk what you think.  Thanks in advance. 






Hey beef! Did you do a top casing for this? It doesn't look like it. I think you're right that it's a bit dry, but that's something I find happens easily with SBs. My first half dozen were total trash because I over dried them out then over watered them, back and forth.

I recommend doing a top casing next time, really thin, just like 1/8" or 1/4" as it helps retain the moisture in the "cake" part perfectly. I find that it's also way easier to gauge if it needs moisture or not (the coir never gets fully colonized on the first flush so you can see the brown tones easier).

As for bottom watering, hold off a tiny bit on that until you get your pins formed and going. Feel free to bottom water it a little then if you're still seeing too much dryness.

Keep the handles "unlocked" if that makes sense. The FAE is perfect I find at that point. Also, I recommend not using a liner in the future. With a top casing I get TONS of side/bottom pins, but they never ever form past pins and eventually create a psuedo "liner" in and of itself. Also, the subs are so small that the occasional one that grows can easily be harvested without destroying the "cake", even from the bottom, so you may as well get them, no need to prevent.

Looking good for a first shoebox. They're pretty forgiving, you'll still get a decent, but probably scattered, flush or three from it :smile: Just float it to harvest, then let it soak a few hours and put it back when you're done. Set and forget after first flush basically.

EDIT ADDED: Still looking pretty good for your first time. You'll see fruits soon, so don't over dial it in (which is more dramatic in a shoebox than monotub and can lead to problems). When did you spawn it?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25722473 - 01/04/19 09:11 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

I appreciate it.  I was thinking of doing s straight verm casing, but I think it’s too late.

On the upshot, seems like my first agar noc went pretty well yesterday. 




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    #25722485 - 01/04/19 09:18 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

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I appreciate it.  I was thinking of doing s straight verm casing, but I think it’s too late.



Don't bother at this point or you'll stall the fruiting phase as your myc will start to colonize the top casing. Honestly, I don't use verm at all any more. Oats+Coir for the main mix at about 1:1 ratio, then just pure coir over top so you can barely not see any grains.

ASIDE: I'm speculating that shoeboxes pin super easily, and the pins like that casing for a tiny bit of extra moisture so the colony decides to abort those side/bottom pins. I had such a fuck of a time before top casing. It seems like by the time the second/third/etc flush are coming that the side/bottom pins have turned back into substrate and absorbed for nutrients by the main colony, which is like an extra battery for second flushes (possibly third). Because of this my SB pump out their second/third flush within a week of harvesting the previous flush. They slow down around third/fourth flush though.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: ShaperDreaming]
    #25722496 - 01/04/19 09:23 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

Ditto Shaper. Top Layer at spawning was a game changer for me and I aint goin back.

I don't think it's too late Beefcake. Casings are often addded at 100% colonization. Getting a thin layer on it should be alright.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25722511 - 01/04/19 09:36 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

I only spawned like ten days ago or something.  Forgot to write it down.  It colonized very fast and I thought I’d see fruits quicker. 

To top-layer or not?  Seems like it might delay the pins, but also might make for a more solid flush.

Edit: I had this crackpot idea that probably doesn’t deserve its own thread, but what if TEK’s were labeled with climate zones.  USDA agricultural growing zones would even be a step. 

Elevation can play a role in sterilization Times.  Humidity plays a huge role for obvious reasons. 


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #25722525 - 01/04/19 09:48 AM (5 years, 26 days ago)

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Edit: I had this crackpot idea that probably doesn’t deserve its own thread, but what if TEK’s were labeled with climate zones.  USDA agricultural growing zones would even be a step. 

Elevation can play a role in sterilization Times.  Humidity plays a huge role for obvious reasons. 



It's probably over-kill to worry about your climate zone. As long as you can maintain room temp and a tub maintains humidity, you're good. Your natural conditions should only really matter if you're growing outside or want to try open air fruiting. For most applications you should only need to make small adjustments like mist more/less and adjust FAE for more/less. Experience or trial & error should get you dialed in with that.


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