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LtLurker
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bongoman]
#25700362 - 12/24/18 01:35 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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That'll work, but you'd probably be ok just flipping the lid over at spawning or unclipping.
They probably cost a little more than the $1 shoeboxes. I'd try to keep the gasket intact and save'em for food. Get the cheaper tubs in the future.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25700371 - 12/24/18 01:38 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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LtLurker said: Get the cheaper tubs in the future.
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Zero Nowhere
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I have some of them and tried em a couple times. First off, they're too short. Second sometimes even if lid is unclipped during colonization there is 0 gas exchange. Those are the only ones I've had get mold.
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n2gourmet said: If you have to much water in the coir when you're done just squeeze it out hand full at a time. Add a little verm if you need to. I had to do that because my coir was already expanded from my other ventures in growing and 3.5 quarts was way to much water.
on a very small scale, i tried using a homebrewing grain bag to strain overly wet coir. it was only about a quart, but holding it up over the sink, and kinda dropping and catching it by the bag forced water out the bottom in fits and starts until it kinda didn't so much anymore. hydration turned out spot on. not sure how well this will scale up to 10qts, but i'm going to try very soon.
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bongoman
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Zero Nowhere said: I have some of them and tried em a couple times. First off, they're too short. Second sometimes even if lid is unclipped during colonization there is 0 gas exchange. Those are the only ones I've had get mold.
You're referring the Sistema boxes? Too short as in not high enough?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bongoman]
#25701603 - 12/25/18 06:17 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first shoe box 1 quart golden teacher spawn 2.5 quarts straight coco coir. I spawned it 2days ago and learned everything from this forum and bods unmodified tek.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Licky711]
#25701778 - 12/25/18 08:21 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is it a boot box?
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Licky711
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Caps McGee said: Is it a boot box?
I don’t know it’s just a small box my shoes couldn’t fit in these.
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Rot
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Licky711]
#25702014 - 12/25/18 11:42 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Made 3 shoe boxes today. Well they are actually 12 QT because that is all that is sold around me.
We had eco earth coir and we boiled a big pot of water and mixed it in.
We let it cool and think we got it close to field cap.
We used a cheese grater and put 4 colonized cakes into each bin then mixed with the same ratio coir then put the remaining coir we had over the top, snapped the lids on and put them in the grow room.
Gonna save the last 6 cakes and let them consolidate for a week encase these 3 tubs don't produce. The other 9 cakes are still on their 2nd flush and not doing too much atm.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Rot] 1
#25702043 - 12/25/18 12:15 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smaller sub depth can often lead to your sub drying out to quick. Keep a eye on your coir color, and make sure it doesn’t turn to light. If it does give it a good misting. Most of my boxes that have had short sub depth have matted on the surface. Just my experience.
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Rot
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MadHatter333 said: Smaller sub depth can often lead to your sub drying out to quick. Keep a eye on your coir color, and make sure it doesn’t turn to light. If it does give it a good misting. Most of my boxes that have had short sub depth have matted on the surface. Just my experience.
So walmart here has 7qt tubs and 12 qt tubs. The 7qt tubs are super tall and the bottoms were so narrow that I felt like it wouldn't have room for hardly any fruits.
I'll be sure to keep an eye out for them drying out.
Another question is I didn't let the cakes consolidate for 7 days after colonization, is that alright? I have 6 cakes still in the jars just in case I butcher these bulk.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Rot] 1
#25702049 - 12/25/18 12:18 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks alright, you're on the right track. I got some minor pointers here based on what I'm seeing. I'm guessing because they're 12qt, the length and width is probably larger than a 6qt shoebox. You may want to add an extra cake or two to each box or some extra coir. Ideally you want about 2"-3" of substrate. Your yield should be higher with some extra cakes and surface area as well. If going for a top layer, you probably want to cover the whole surface. You want the top layer about 1/8" - 1/4" thick. Spend a little more attention getting the surface even before and after applying top layer and pack the edges down slightly. A more even surface helps pin more evenly, and packing the edge a bit helps prevent early shrinkage & side pins.
e/ Question above: You don't need to let cakes consolidate if you're going to break them up. They will have to colonize and consolidate again after setting your tub.
Edited by LtLurker (12/25/18 12:20 PM)
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Rot
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25702053 - 12/25/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Alright LT. I will most likely add another cake and more coir to each one and then pack the edges down some. It's weird to me how mushboy's pictures are 6qt and look pretty huge compared to the 7qt ones at the store.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Rot]
#25702081 - 12/25/18 12:50 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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They could be. I've seen some containers that are the same qt, but very different proportions. Nearly any tub can be ran like shoeboxes or unmodified. You just need to adjust how much spawn and bulk you use to fit the containers you have.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker] 1
#25702082 - 12/25/18 12:54 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dunno if I am ever gonna get tired of Shoeboxes....
 Doubled down on this one to what I usually put in due to running out of tubs..
 Gotta work on getting them flatter... Maybe I am cockeyed...
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: ithikuss]
#25702238 - 12/25/18 02:50 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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3 shoeboxes, spawned 1:3 with GT on rye.
First box from 19 December, the other 2 from 23 December.
First grow so I'm not quite sure how these are shaping up, any observations would be appreciated.


Edited by bongoman (12/25/18 02:50 PM)
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bongoman] 1
#25702637 - 12/25/18 07:46 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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ithikuss said: Dunno if I am ever gonna get tired of Shoeboxes....

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bongoman said: 3 shoeboxes, spawned 1:3 with GT on rye.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Rot]
#25702656 - 12/25/18 08:00 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rot said:

It looks like you have your lids flipped. Is that the case? If so I recommend putting them on normal. You'll still enough FAE, but it won't dry out as fast, so it'll help keep better conditions.
I also use shorter substrate, and it does make surface conditions worse easier. But you should easily get two amazing flushes, then it'll be a bit of a crap shoot.
Good luck!
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My first stealth shoebox setup. I could fit quite a few in here. Should I fruit this Cambo box? Probably should fruit but I only spawned it like four days ago. Think the fan is ok? I’m not sold on that. Two lights might be extreme and cause heat issues — I’ll know by tonight.
Thanks in advance. I’m sold on shoeboxes though. Monos are such a pain. Thank you op.
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It's a shoebox:even with the lid snapped, it's in fruiting conditions (getting fae) unless it's got a gasket, in which case, it shouldn't be snapped at all: never a need for air tight conditions... I usually unsnap one side when I see pins developing
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