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Zero Nowhere
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Damn. You been workin!
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bulbstoo
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I've read a lot of this thread and continue to daily, but I had a few quick questions, given the length of the thread.
- What's the latest on boiling water and coir/verm/gysum mix? Do we simply hydrate now, or use boiling water to attempt a type of pasteurization?
- Is 1qt spawn, 1-2 qt CVG a proper ratio?
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Failboat
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bulbstoo]
#25645504 - 11/28/18 05:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks, just getting this thing up and running with plans for more.
If coir is hydrated then you're fine. 1:1-2 is fine. I incorporate a top layer of coir when I spawn.
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bulbstoo
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Failboat]
#25645542 - 11/28/18 06:17 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you! @quirk
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: bulbstoo] 1
#25645630 - 11/28/18 07:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trich showed up about 3 days ago on this 2nd flush.
 Let them ride,and the APE pushed on and gave up what it could.
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J. Jack Flash
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mushroomnate said: Trich showed up about 3 days ago on this 2nd flush.
 Let them ride,and the APE pushed on and gave up what it could.

when green spots show up like that, is there value in cutting it off the sub? or how about putting mineral oil on it to keep the spores from going airborne?
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Vibe_Enthusiast
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So these will grow just in a room? Don't have to put them into another tote or anything to get humidity up?
Sounds like a stupid question.. but its almost time for me to spawn.
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LtLurker
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J. Jack Flash said: when green spots show up like that, is there value in cutting it off the sub? or how about putting mineral oil on it to keep the spores from going airborne?
Cutting rarely helps. When you see green the mold it's networked into a much larger area. You could cut out inches around around it and those edges will still turn green in a few days, actually speeding up their spread. You also send shards of mold myc and spores everywhere while cutting.
Never heard of mineral oil being tried and no idea why that could help.
I've salted the green a few times. Maybe it slows down the growth a bit, but it mainly just crusts over the mold stopping some of the spores from spreading. It's not a fix but can buy you some time to finish pins already in the tub.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25647020 - 11/29/18 04:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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LtLurker said:
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J. Jack Flash said: when green spots show up like that, is there value in cutting it off the sub? or how about putting mineral oil on it to keep the spores from going airborne?
Cutting rarely helps. When you see green the mold it's networked into a much larger area. You could cut out inches around around it and those edges will still turn green in a few days, actually speeding up their spread. You also send shards of mold myc and spores everywhere while cutting.
Never heard of mineral oil being tried and no idea why that could help.
I've salted the green a few times. Maybe it slows down the growth a bit, but it mainly just crusts over the mold stopping some of the spores from spreading. It's not a fix but can buy you some time to finish pins already in the tub.
 When it turns green in during a flush,the race is on,but I don't do anything to try to deter or stop it.
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J. Jack Flash
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understood.
the mineral oil idea was just thinking that mold spores are lipophilic. that is, water doesn't get them wet, oil does. as long as it's a race, coating the green spot with oil would keep the spores from going airborne, increasing the load in your grow space. and mineral oil doesn't go rancid. i use it on my cutting board. (purchased from the shroomery member who made it, it's dope) just a thought.
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LtLurker
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J. Jack Flash said: understood.
the mineral oil idea was just thinking that mold spores are lipophilic. that is, water doesn't get them wet, oil does. as long as it's a race, coating the green spot with oil would keep the spores from going airborne, increasing the load in your grow space. and mineral oil doesn't go rancid. i use it on my cutting board. (purchased from the shroomery member who made it, it's dope) just a thought.
I have no idea if it'd work like that or not. I do feel like it's important to address that bit because I wasn't clear. I wouldn't fuck with trich at all inside my primary grow space. I move it into an alternate area away from any tubs, tools, and workspaces.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25647291 - 11/29/18 07:47 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh ok, thanks. makes much sense.
anyway, shoeboxes. the one legit success i had in mushcult was basically shoeboxes. or, spinach tubs. picked up some of the sturdy 6qt variety thanks to this excellent thread, and a couple others. very excited.
i must say, this place has evolved so much in the last few years. truly sorry i left. (the fuck am i gonna do with all that perlite?)
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Caps McGee
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I don't attempt to remedy contamination either... really seems to just piss it off IME... maybe an increase in FAE and slight drop in temps
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BirdSeedUndaUrFeet
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Quote:
J. Jack Flash said:
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mushroomnate said: Trich showed up about 3 days ago on this 2nd flush.
 Let them ride,and the APE pushed on and gave up what it could.

when green spots show up like that, is there value in cutting it off the sub? or how about putting mineral oil on it to keep the spores from going airborne?
I've had that problem on my first monotub, I've cut out everything in about a 10cm cm radius around the green and removed the contaminated part very carefully, not dropping trich myc on the tubs surface. that worked to my surprise, probably it was a random infection. It was AA+ MS which took ages (4-6 weeks from full colonization, in Muda bottles too) to fruit. If it's in the spawn, cutting out most likely won't help since it's well distributed then. You'll then see more green shortly after the first popping up. Toss that sub then.
Edited by BirdSeedUndaUrFeet (11/30/18 10:19 AM)
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keifnnugs
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Sorry for responding late about my Slurry question.
Eats would use 1 colonized PF half pint and slurry half the PF jar in steril water to create a mud slurry. He used this slurry to X amount of QT jars and it would colonize in 3-7 days.
He also used this slurry in his tubs with only Coir and it colonized the full tub in 3-7 days and had fruits 14 days from adding the slurry to the coir.
His yeilds werenβt outstanding but they were good considering it was 1 half pint PF jar.
Iβm assuming you can use this tek with shoeboxes and get very fast colonization and fruits without having to deal with QT jars and wbs or whatever you are using.
I also bet you can use the slurry to a more nutritious sub then Coir like straw dung etc and get better yeilds in a faster turnaround.
I was really asking if anyone did this as I believe it would be a great way to test out clones
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LtLurker
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Find it plz. Slurry>jars is common. I can only find Eat's where it was grains jars slurried to bulk along with unslurried ones. The slurry helped colonize fast. I can't find anything with BRF>tub, and nothing suggesting the yields were high for such little spawn. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21242497#21242497
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
#25648760 - 11/30/18 02:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Welp, I lost close to everything. I pulled a few scraggly shrooms off of two of the SBs. The third had a nasty green mold infection, mostly toward the bottom rather than the top. That one I tossed in the corner of the back yard with the other old subs and some compost.
For kicks and giggles, I took the other two SBs and dumped them into a wide, shallow mono tub, mixed it all up, and rehydrated. It's now sitting on a heat mat. In doing that I noticed that the colonization was atrocious. I'm just curious to see if it will try again. Such a bummer.
And since I was in a mood, I got creative with the next six BRF jars. 1.5c brown rice, 1/4c black heirloom rice, 1t quinoa, 1t nutritional yeast, 1t earthworm castings. Into the Ninja blender. Let's see how the higher, more varied mineral and amino acid content does.
And I'm done trying all kinds of crazy strains. PESA and AA+ and B+ for a while.
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Caps McGee
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Get rid of the heat mat, created breeding ground for contaminants... incubation is outdated misinformation and typically detrimental
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FuzzyColony
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Caps McGee said: Get rid of the heat mat, created breeding ground for contaminants... incubation is outdated misinformation and typically detrimental
Noted, will do. Thanks for that. Seems like a lot of conventional wisdom gets updated all time.
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Circle K
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So this just popped up in my shoebox. We're in the second flush of some B+
A quick background - WBS colonized, I let it sit out and dry a week, then spawned it 1:4 in coir. It took forever to pull together and I pulled one piece of lipstick mold off it from the first flush. 6QT Sterlite
Can anyone tell me what the hell this thing is? Literal grass? Possible mutant?
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