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Enkidu
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May help to add a bit of extra verm to the left over coir/verm for a higher % verm in the top layer.
I would most likely flip the lid on the middle one or dub it myself
Your temps seem good, that's about where I'm at, maybe 4 degrees lower but 72 should be perfectly healthy
Or dub all 3
Hard to say.
I like to leave my lid on until after a dense pin set forms but i personally don't like my tops looking too fluffy like that
Makes me think they're going to colonize and mat over when I see it so when I see it i usually give more air and cut co2 down
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25607991 - 11/11/18 08:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Somethings wrong...
First shoeboxes.
Spawned with wbs Jars of PE on Oct 22nd.
Any help would be much appreciated. 1 of them looks like trich another possibly bacterial.
What's my next step? I'm not 100% surprised because they were syringes straight to WBS.
Got some 2nd transfers on agar going to make 1 more and try some more grain.
Thanks in Advance.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Grounder]
#25608889 - 11/12/18 09:03 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25608921 - 11/12/18 09:21 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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try casing it
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Caps McGee
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Looks overmisted/ lacking FAE IMO... this will exacerbate any bacterial infection present
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Exactly. You can tell by the matting of the surface
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Bobbio]
#25609526 - 11/12/18 01:23 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looking pretty good today. May have misted a little heavy.
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Caps McGee
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How long since you spawned? Top layer? I typically don't see surface moisture until a day or two after full colonization, and never mist prior to full colonization... evaporation is a pinning trigger, but will not be pertinent until full colonization, as this is also a pinning trigger... you're over-saturating the substrate and setting up favorable conditions for contaminants IMO
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That's a great detail I was curious about. I was wondering why I wasn't seeing surface moisture yet on my first grow. Good to know it generally doesnt show up till full colonization. Good thing I only gently misted them once. Should be ok
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MooseShroom
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Quote:
Caps McGee said: How long since you spawned? Top layer? I typically don't see surface moisture until a day or two after full colonization, and never mist prior to full colonization... evaporation is a pinning trigger, but will not be pertinent until full colonization, as this is also a pinning trigger... you're over-saturating the substrate and setting up favorable conditions for contaminants IMO
Really good to know. I'll stop misting for the time being then. That box was spawned 18 days ago with a top layer of coir about a quarter inch thick.
With this particular batch of coir, it was over saturated and I got as much water out as I could by hand. Misted for the first time a couple days ago when it was mentioned that the sub was drying out. This is what it looks like ~3 days after.
Edited by MooseShroom (11/12/18 03:21 PM)
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Caps McGee
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The mycelium acts semi-impermeable and holds beads of moisture on the surface, prior to full colonization, the substrate will simply resorb the moisture... 18 days is a good while, is the sides and bottom as sparse as the top? What was your spawn ratio? And your bulk mixture? Are you allowing FAE ("fruiting conditions") lighting? Just hoping it's not bacterial
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The sides and bottoms look fully colonized. Spawn ratio was 1:1 with straight coir. First batch I made had 3.2L of water to 1 brick of coir (seemed over hydrated and by hand tried getting out as much excess water as possible). Made 4 shoeboxes with that. Made another brick of coir with 3L of water (felt like field capacity) and made 4 more shoeboxes - 4 days later. The boxes that were done 4 days later, but with field capacity look about as colonized as the other 4. All of my shoeboxes have been in a dub tub since they were mixed. 12-12 lighting.
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Caps McGee
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Hmmm... The waiting game...
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A couple more APE shoeboxes coming along.

Like Caps said,no misting til full colonization at the earliest.(I wait til a full pinset and beyond) Also,with my shoeboxes I leave the lid on till pinset as well.Only after the mushrooms get too big do I ever dub. I like to spawn the shoebox and leave it alone til harvest if possible.(other than update pics)
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mushroomnate said: A couple more APE shoeboxes coming along.

Like Caps said,no misting til full colonization at the earliest.(I wait til a full pinset and beyond) Also,with my shoeboxes I leave the lid on till pinset as well.Only after the mushrooms get too big do I ever dub. I like to spawn the shoebox and leave it alone til harvest if possible.(other than update pics)
Good to know. I'll keep that in mind for the next batch that I make. I'll leave the ones I have as is, so that I'm not changing too much all at once. Thanks for all the help!
Your APE's are looking good as always
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Caps McGee
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I can usually get away with not misting until after first flush harvest; maybe once... the sub will maintain a decent microclimate with pinset and growing fruit
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Yea,I don't even think about misting til I see pins. Once the pins come in I like to watch. I may give them a spritz after a photo shoot,but never on a schedule and for me,not more than once a day.(I only check my growspace about once per day)
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Caps McGee said: Looks overmisted/ lacking FAE IMO... this will exacerbate any bacterial infection present
I added a top layer of coir/verm/DE same as the sub. But I ha e t touched it since I spawned it.
Just flipped the lids when they looked about 90% colonized.
Its gotten a bit warm in there a few times like up to 80%.
Was my first time making Substrate so it could have been wet.
Would I benefit from turning a fan on in the room. Not directly on but just get the air moving in the room?
Thanks for the help. I'm hoping to see some fruits on these.
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Grounder] 1
#25610325 - 11/12/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Snap the lid on while it colonizes bro
I wouldn't dub from the get go, how can it possibly benefit to have less restricted higher co2 during colonization?
Idk if it's true but I read too much air can cause your myc to "eat" and waste energy rather than colonize to use during fruiting
Either way I don't see how it won't colonize more efficient and effectively with the lid snapped on
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25610344 - 11/12/18 06:37 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't really think a fan would help, what would dry it out is leaving the lid off
But that also might fuck with colonization
You squeezed your sub and checked for field capacity ?
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