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Enkidu
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Yeah I'm super curious since I've never done it I just see myself going, "wtf. Shoulda just put the top layer on."
I just don't see how a tub can possibly do better without it
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575236 - 10/28/18 11:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Brain Bulb said: @Enkidu
Thanks! I’m still learning to read how the myc reacts to different conditions. I had followed the same steps up you mentioned up until you said you flipped the lid.
Rather than flipping the lid to induce fruiting I put another shoebox on top as a lid. I’ve had a feeling it was getting too much FAE so I just flipped the lid and put it back on. Will check it again in the morning to see if that helps. If not I’ll try something else until I get it right.
Thanks again,
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Just be careful of changing things so quickly you can't tell what change is causing what and you're not giving the myc enough time to react.
Seems high co2 is encouraging for pin formation, could be wrong...
After pin formation is when I would up the air.
Only time I would pop the lid prior to pins was if I observed something amiss, like a dry top layer or matting or something like that
Did you case or use a top layer at all ?
@mateah I might try doing a tub no top layer at all, I'm curious how it would play out
My top layer seems essential to the pin formation I get with these genetics.
Literally just colonize the top and go straight into pins, I do nothing at all
Wonder what would happen with no top layer ..... 

Doesn't make sense because I get a full pinset with extremely limited fae. So there must be something else going on besides fae causing a cannopy.
I think large amounts of water and air after a full pinset seems like it would help, but the pinset first is the most important part, which doesn't seem to need a lot of fae at all

Yes. I use 1 jar GS and 150g coir with verm and water. Mixed up the bottom 3/4 and put 1/4” layer/casing on top.
One of the reasons I think it’s getting too much FAE is because the colonized substrate has pulled away from the shoebox so it’s getting air all the way around the sides as well.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575247 - 10/28/18 11:10 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I experiment with and without a lot and top layers always give me a better surface pinset but the yields have been about the same either way.
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Enkidu
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If it's pulling from the sides your sub is already drying out it sounds like, it looked possibly a bit dry in your pics.
I would probably mist then out the lid on and give it a good 24 hours and see what it's looking like
That makes sense psilo, if you can at least produce some pins without a top layer vs more pins with a top layer seems like the sub has a limited amount of nutes, water, energy, whatever, and more pins arr smaller fruits, less pins bigger fruits, same yiekd.
But if you have 2qt of spawn in one shoebox then seems even a full pinset gives big mushrooms, seems like I noticed with my boxes using 1qt they just can't provide enough for a full pinset.
Maybe if I water the fucking shit out of them, but still.
But that's perfect for me, I like more, smaller fruits. Lately I've been trying my hardest to harvest them all before they open veil too and make sure my shit is top quality
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb] 1
#25575278 - 10/28/18 11:25 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I haven't tried spawning more than one jar per tub but still managed to get kind of impressive flushes from very thin substrates, these are some of them when I first started out:
      
All tubs made with top layer that was added ~2 weeks after spawning (the bags as well)
Kind of looking forward to spawning 4-5 jars in one tub just to see what would happen
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25575309 - 10/28/18 11:44 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bro those are 1qt? That's impressive, what was the dry yield ?
My mind is actually a bit blown right now wtf is going on here mateah ? I must know
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575355 - 10/29/18 12:15 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Those were one of my first grain jars when I progressed from spawning cakes. Even when I spawned cakes I used to put a top layer about two weeks after colonization. And a just kept doing that also when spawning WBS and it was almost impossible not to get a great pinset whatever I did. Always got only two flushes out of the boxes but around 300-500g per flush so totally acceptable.
Some times I would get insane pinsets like 1000 in one tub but when that happens then I mostpy end up with tiny fruits like this tub

I haven't used a top layer since the only time I used it like 2 years ago. I will definitely give it a shot again and do some side by sides with a clone.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25575487 - 10/29/18 02:07 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mateah said: I haven't tried spawning more than one jar per tub but still managed to get kind of impressive flushes from very thin substrates, these are some of them when I first started out:
      
All tubs made with top layer that was added ~2 weeks after spawning (the bags as well)
Kind of looking forward to spawning 4-5 jars in one tub just to see what would happen 
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GT Tub #2 First flush. I intended to harvest before spores dropped, but had a busy week that week and didn't catch it in time...but still nice fruits I think.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
#25576051 - 10/29/18 09:57 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alright.
First go at making shoeboxes and so far it's looking good.
I want to thank everyone for their contributions to this thread and Mush for starting it.
I put 1 Jar to 1 box because I did a purchased syringe straight to WBS. So far looking real clean.
It was my first time making CVG and had to squeeze it a bit to get it to field capacity.
Questions.
When should I spray if needed?
I put a small layer of CVG on top covering the Spawn.
Looks pretty colonized. I would say about 90%.
Should I flip the lids? Don't think I'll need to dub tub as they are PE.
Anything else you can see that I should be doing?
Thanks for all the help in advance.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25576105 - 10/29/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: If it's pulling from the sides your sub is already drying out it sounds like, it looked possibly a bit dry in your pics.
I would probably mist then out the lid on and give it a good 24 hours and see what it's looking like
That makes sense psilo, if you can at least produce some pins without a top layer vs more pins with a top layer seems like the sub has a limited amount of nutes, water, energy, whatever, and more pins arr smaller fruits, less pins bigger fruits, same yiekd.
But if you have 2qt of spawn in one shoebox then seems even a full pinset gives big mushrooms, seems like I noticed with my boxes using 1qt they just can't provide enough for a full pinset.
Maybe if I water the fucking shit out of them, but still.
But that's perfect for me, I like more, smaller fruits. Lately I've been trying my hardest to harvest them all before they open veil too and make sure my shit is top quality
I think they’re pulling away from the sides because of me. As the SB was colonizing I was told they looked too wet. I pushed the sides in to make sure there wasn’t any mold growing and before I knew it they stayed that way. Should I put another layer of casing on to fill in the sides?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Grounder]
#25576110 - 10/29/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grounder said: Alright.
First go at making shoeboxes and so far it's looking good.
I want to thank everyone for their contributions to this thread and Mush for starting it.
I put 1 Jar to 1 box because I did a purchased syringe straight to WBS. So far looking real clean.
It was my first time making CVG and had to squeeze it a bit to get it to field capacity.
Questions.
When should I spray if needed?
I put a small layer of CVG on top covering the Spawn.
Looks pretty colonized. I would say about 90%.
Should I flip the lids? Don't think I'll need to dub tub as they are PE.
Anything else you can see that I should be doing?
Thanks for all the help in advance.

Shoeboxes do pretty well when neglected if your sub field capacity was good. I flip the lid when there's pins.
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I wouldn't mist unless the top looks visibly dry. And I personally wait with the lid on until pins, no misting until after pinset for me.
@brain, nah I wouldn't do that. I would just leave it. Worse case scenario some pins develop on the sides which isn't a big deal really
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25576160 - 10/29/18 11:02 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome thanks Enkidu and Grim.
Am I playing with fire opening it before its fully colonized?
I noticed some put the shoebox into fruiting condition right at Spawn so I figured it would be alright.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Grounder]
#25576183 - 10/29/18 11:17 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theoretically as long as your spawn was fully colonized you can take peeks with no issues but imo there's no need to. The imperfect lid on shoeboxes is literally perfect for growing mushrooms. I believe fruiting at spawn just makes it require more maintenance.
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Grimsweeper said: The imperfect lid on shoeboxes is literally perfect for growing mushrooms. I believe fruiting at spawn just makes it require more maintenance.
Thanks Grim. This is my first grow ever. I guess I'm just not 💯% on when it's "too dry" etc.
I guess this is where working with pf Tek can help. But I think shoeboxes are perfect. Even easier than cakes and a big ol sgfc.
I'll wait and see what they do in the next few days.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Grounder]
#25576391 - 10/29/18 01:11 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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As far as I know a lid on is considered fruiting conditions.
I wouldn't open the lid before the sub is fully colonized. You want the myc devoting all energy to colonization which is best done in high co2 it seems
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato] 1
#25576907 - 10/29/18 05:20 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tormato said: GT Tub #2 First flush. I intended to harvest before spores dropped, but had a busy week that week and didn't catch it in time...but still nice fruits I think.

 Nice one!
Some 2nd flush APE shoeboxes. Fruited with the lid on.
Next round of APE knotting up.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato] 1
#25576943 - 10/29/18 05:37 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tormato said: GT Tub #2 First flush. I intended to harvest before spores dropped, but had a busy week that week and didn't catch it in time...but still nice fruits I think.


Edit: nice ape nate! I just streaked my pe
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Keep us updated. I swiped PE to a plate 6 days ago and still got nothin'. (Impatient ) Never swabbed to a plate before,so maybe me?..
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