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Litchlynn
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Cthulhu23]
#25570357 - 10/26/18 10:14 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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From your experiences- How long do you guys think shoeboxes with 1/3 spawn to pure coir take to fully colonize after mixing and applying casing layer? 

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Cthulhu23]
#25570395 - 10/26/18 10:34 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cthulhu23 said: So I’m curious, guys, if anyone could comment on the effects of more/less CVG when spawning? I see most people do a 1:1 spawn:sub ratio, but others do 1:1.5 or 1:2.
What impact does more CVG have in a sub compared to less?
If you want to smash it I would do 2:2 on a shoebox like the tek says. Quick colonization and strong pinset. It can be done with much less spawn but if you have it to spare IME that ratio gives you the best odds for a killer finish line.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Litchlynn]
#25570772 - 10/27/18 06:48 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Litchlynn said: From your experiences- How long do you guys think shoeboxes with 1/3 spawn to pure coir take to fully colonize after mixing and applying casing layer? 
 
Depends.
I would guess 1-2 weeks or so
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25571161 - 10/27/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Caps McGee said: More mix (though I use coir only) will hold more water, but take longer to colonize... not a huge difference in yield IME
See any difference between coir alone and CV/G?
Not really...
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Brain Bulb
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Hello all,
Was hoping to get some feedback on this shoebox. Introduced fruiting conditions 3 days ago and there has been more mycelial growth but no pins yet. Has it stalled and if so does anyone have suggestions on what my be causing it?

Thanks!
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The myc moves when it wants.
Growing mushrooms is more about knowing how to do what the myc wants us to do and not trying to get the myc to do what we want
What is fruiting conditions ?
I use a top layer of my coir and verm I used to spawn the tubs, and let them sit and colonize until I see a bunch of pins inside.
I leave the lid on latched all the way until pins already popped up all over, then I introduce more air by flipping the lid and then dubbing
Seems to work well for me but you'll have to figure out what works well for you.
And you'll see they really don't take a lot of micromanagent at all
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If you didn't use a casing or top layer that might help, I would maybe mist and leave the lid on or case and leave the lid on
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25574994 - 10/28/18 09:29 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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In response to the conversation about Casing vs not casing and casing at spawn vs. casing after colonization and which casing to use, I would say why not try it yourself and experiment? There's SOOOOOOOOOO much conflicting information out there. I just did my first shoebox grow and I cased 50/50 Coco/Verm at spawn. I had a really beautiful pinset and fairly fast colonization, but tiny fruits. I just did a few more and this time I waited until colonization. One I cased with CVG, once I cased with CVG plus calcium carbonate, and the other i'm about to case the same as the first time with 50/50 Coco/Verm. So in about 2 weeks, i'll have my answer as to which works best. Also, with these, i'm leaving the lids on after casing until the myc starts to pop through the top. Then i'm going to move into fruiting conditions. Box 1: cased at spawn 50/50 Coco/Verm Box 2: cased at 70% colonization with CVG Box 3: cased at 70% colonization with CVG+Calcium Carbonate Box 4: cased at 70% colonization with 50/50 Coco/verm
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: dmar]
#25575013 - 10/28/18 09:36 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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What I've noticed about a top layer of coir after full colonization is that it enables you to increaee FAE even in a completely dry environment without worrying too much about drying out the substrate surface. The top layer will get dry first long before the substrate under gets dry. This is one of the benefits of using a top layer.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: dmar]
#25575014 - 10/28/18 09:36 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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there is no benifit to a top layer/casing what ever how u get fat mfing tubs is FAE
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That's up for Interpretation
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Enkidu
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tripdawg420 said: there is no benifit to a top layer/casing what ever how u get fat mfing tubs is FAE 
That doesn't make sense to me at all
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575026 - 10/28/18 09:41 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Especially after I just explained ONE of the benefits of top layer. I've used it most with thin substrates during winter when grow room is 0%RH and I keep the lid slightly ajar and don't have to mist much. Without the top layer I'm sure I would have to mist much more and risk over misting.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575031 - 10/28/18 09:41 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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@Enkidu
Thanks! I’m still learning to read how the myc reacts to different conditions. I had followed the same steps up you mentioned up until you said you flipped the lid.
Rather than flipping the lid to induce fruiting I put another shoebox on top as a lid. I’ve had a feeling it was getting too much FAE so I just flipped the lid and put it back on. Will check it again in the morning to see if that helps. If not I’ll try something else until I get it right.
Thanks again,
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25575041 - 10/28/18 09:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Especially after I just explained ONE of the benefits of top layer. I've used it most with thin substrates during winter when grow room is 0%RH and I keep the lid slightly ajar and don't have to mist much. Without the top layer I'm sure I would have to mist much more and risk over misting. 

Yeah that's super interesting and something I didn't consider. I've literally been too paranoid to even try not using a top layer of my coir and verm.
I thought about it, then i'm like, risk an oz of mushrooms ....? Better put the topy layer on
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575055 - 10/28/18 09:50 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I also used to think like that but then another 'fear' struck me. After losing some tubs to trich I promised myself not to cover up the substrate surface I wanted to monitor it at all times so I could notice contams in time. Then I noticed that I didn't really miss out on good pin sets as a thought I would do after stopping with the top layer. Imma try it out again this winter.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575062 - 10/28/18 09:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enkidu said:
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tripdawg420 said: there is no benifit to a top layer/casing what ever how u get fat mfing tubs is FAE 
That doesn't make sense to me at all
why dont it
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Enkidu
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Brain Bulb said: @Enkidu
Thanks! I’m still learning to read how the myc reacts to different conditions. I had followed the same steps up you mentioned up until you said you flipped the lid.
Rather than flipping the lid to induce fruiting I put another shoebox on top as a lid. I’ve had a feeling it was getting too much FAE so I just flipped the lid and put it back on. Will check it again in the morning to see if that helps. If not I’ll try something else until I get it right.
Thanks again,
BB
Just be careful of changing things so quickly you can't tell what change is causing what and you're not giving the myc enough time to react.
Seems high co2 is encouraging for pin formation, could be wrong...
After pin formation is when I would up the air.
Only time I would pop the lid prior to pins was if I observed something amiss, like a dry top layer or matting or something like that
Did you case or use a top layer at all ?
@mateah I might try doing a tub no top layer at all, I'm curious how it would play out
My top layer seems essential to the pin formation I get with these genetics.
Literally just colonize the top and go straight into pins, I do nothing at all
Wonder what would happen with no top layer ..... 

Doesn't make sense because I get a full pinset with extremely limited fae. So there must be something else going on besides fae causing a cannopy.
I think large amounts of water and air after a full pinset seems like it would help, but the pinset first is the most important part, which doesn't seem to need a lot of fae at all
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575080 - 10/28/18 10:02 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Interesting notion
Maybe that's why you can have pin city on the underside of the substrate which gets MINIMAL fae but apparently doesn't have a problem producing lots of fruits.
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
#25575095 - 10/28/18 10:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Totally
And we're like wtf am I doing wrong?

I'll take side and bottom pins over no pins any fucking day
I forgot what it's like to not have mushrooms, everything riding on your grow, fuck
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#25575147 - 10/28/18 10:31 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: My top layer seems essential to the pin formation I get with these genetics.
Literally just colonize the top and go straight into pins, I do nothing at all
This is why I like use a top layer.I never have to mess with them til after the pinset,if that. Just set and forget. I never even unlatch the lid til the pinset is in. And even after that(with the lid on,unlatched)the FAE is still there. I've left them til they pushed the lid up on their own. Even the APE I have done were fruited with the lid on.(unlatched)
It has been awhile since I've gone without a top layer,but I may have to try a couple.
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