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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: Caps McGee] * 2
    #25560698 - 10/23/18 04:05 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Casing layer? Fully colonized? Many of us fruit from spawn with no casing (not necessary for cubes)...




My two pennies say, I still yet to see a benefit from fruiting from spawn. I almost thinking that not letting the sub colonize/consolidate before introducing fruiting conditions leads to a premature surface colonization, and the rest of the sub is spotty. My last go around with pints in trays I think were a perfect example. They colonized surface fast and well, but then seem to sit idle for a few days before pinning. Even after pinning and two flushes, the subs still didnt look fully colonized except the surface. And those were coir boxes. And caps your wrong about casing, it is beneficial to cubes, especially pe varieties, theres lots of people who case cubes, I know you want to be helpfull to the community, But the fruiting thing is not a black and white issue, theres been no evidence produced to show one way is better than the other. Not trying to be a dick, but you keep pushing this "fruit from spawn" thing, and telling people not to colonize/consolidate wich could actually hurt their grow. And i know you wouldnt want that. Im not trying to step on yer toes man, Just food for thought


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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25560731 - 10/23/18 04:20 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you top layer at spawn as well?




Yes.  Added one jar GS and mixed with CV.  Took remaining CV and added a casing layer.


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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: Brain Bulb]
    #25560980 - 10/23/18 05:35 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Will be giving this top layer a shot, and playing with keeping them snapped... I wouldn't say I'm pushing anything, just sharing my (and others) practices as possibility: more or less to illustrate there are a million ways to grow mushrooms, and that a minimalist approach can be taken with comparable results... casing is probably highly variant on climate: I've used one on a mono once, hardly (if any)a difference in my case ... all my tubs fruited from spawn have fully colonized,  but I have noticed the spottiness you mention with a few shoeboxes: though I just assumed bacteria had beat the culture to those spots... My toes don't mash easily, so no worries there... If you spawn it (and it's clean) it will fruit... in almost any conditions


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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: Caps McGee] * 1
    #25561040 - 10/23/18 05:52 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

For me,"normal" cubes don't fully colonize my top layer before pinning/fruiting.

The PE varieties however,do like to colonize my top layer.

Late cased this over wet box.

First flush was funky,but once it settled in the 2nd flush was pretty nice.


Just wanted to throw in some of my experiences with top layering/casing.

Also,with the shoeboxes,aren't they "fruit at spawn" by default?


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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25561277 - 10/23/18 07:23 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I let my top layer colonize fully.

Ill post pics soon, I delete all my pics peridoically due to paranoia

Maybe it's just my genetics :shrug:

Not sure how much climate matter,my climate fluctuates. Winter, summer, I keep the room the same relative temp though but I treat them all the same.

Like you said, more ways to do it well.

Like I said, people do what works for them :shrug:


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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: mushboy]
    #25561420 - 10/23/18 08:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I put my boxes into fruiting at spawn with a thin coir top layer. I found the secret to getting consistent canopies is to just leave them alone until after first flush. I spawn with coir only at field capacity, and for a noob like myself,  it hasn't let me down yet


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Johnny.rotten]
    #25561425 - 10/23/18 08:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

fixing the subject:facepalm3:


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Re: Making shoeboxes -- advice requested [Re: Johnny.rotten]
    #25561452 - 10/23/18 08:17 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I put my boxes into fruiting at spawn with a thin coir top layer. I found the secret to getting consistent canopies is to just leave them alone until after first flush. I spawn with coir only at field capacity, and for a noob like myself,  it hasn't let me down yet




Damn those are gorgeous canopies! You just leave the shoebox lid on until harvest time for the first flush?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25561542 - 10/23/18 08:45 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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fixing the subject:facepalm3:




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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Tormato]
    #25561850 - 10/23/18 10:20 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: R.I.P.Zappa]
    #25561969 - 10/23/18 11:25 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Looking through all these beautiful canopies of shroomies is making me want to shoebox. This seems like the ideal method for both newbies and pros. Can't believe it's this easy and the yields are perfect for individuals who just want to grow for themselves. Years ago around 2010, I couldn't find anything that seemed as easy, glad I started reading up on it again recently.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MagickMushroom]
    #25562323 - 10/24/18 04:54 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Yea the old ways were too particular. And people stressed stuff that didnt need to be stressed. Barely anybody talked about clean spawn back then cuz nobody used agar. Times change. And itll probly change again

My first grow was 07' confusing times for a noobie.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nube424]
    #25562424 - 10/24/18 06:44 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Shoeboxes fit imperfectly enough to be in "fruiting conditions " fully snapped IMO


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25565902 - 10/25/18 09:41 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Just a quick update for those who took a little time to make suggestions for me and my kinda deficient shoebox experiment... I dubbed the box and put it in the direct sunlight and these steps seem to have helped -- the fruits are now standing up nicely and it feels like the FAE and RH balance is much better... the grow is still slow, so i know there is something more fundamental about this - perhaps ratios - that i will need to address next time... thank you again friends


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: francescafreeone] * 1
    #25568199 - 10/26/18 01:38 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Pics of a few clusters on this b+ shoebox.




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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MH5109]
    #25568357 - 10/26/18 04:58 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Is that coir bark? Ur supposed to use fine shredded lol. But i guess it worked


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nube424]
    #25568711 - 10/26/18 09:40 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

So I’m curious, guys, if anyone could comment on the effects of more/less CVG when spawning?  I see most people do a 1:1 spawn:sub ratio, but others do 1:1.5 or 1:2.

What impact does more CVG have in a sub compared to less?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Cthulhu23]
    #25568745 - 10/26/18 10:00 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

More mix (though I use coir only) will hold more water, but take longer to colonize... not a huge difference in yield IME


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nube424]
    #25569074 - 10/26/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Is that coir bark? Ur supposed to use fine shredded lol. But i guess it worked




It shredded coir, its what iv always used, the mycelium went through that shoebox in about 4 days.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25569716 - 10/26/18 04:39 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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More mix (though I use coir only) will hold more water, but take longer to colonize... not a huge difference in yield IME




See any difference between coir alone and CV/G?


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