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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #25525594 - 10/09/18 09:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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Shitload of pins = smaller fruits maybe




That's always the way I've perceived it.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #25525600 - 10/09/18 09:06 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I think with a well established culture present, it's takes water more efficiently,  and a heavy pinset seems like it could play into it, as the sub could move only so much water... perhaps? Would also make sense why with the larger fruit flushes, you typically get fewer... I've read about over feild capacity with prep causing small fruit, but the only time I was too wet, it contaminated after stalling around 30%


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #25525602 - 10/09/18 09:06 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Those look bigger than mine

Mist the fucking shit out of them before they start opening their veils, see if that helps

Seemed to help mine

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Shitload of pins = smaller fruits maybe




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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
    #25525604 - 10/09/18 09:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

My apprentice texted me the other day comaining that he only got tiny fruits in all his shoeboxes and I asked was the substrate too wet? And he said, yeah actually it was kind of wet..

So there seems to be some sort of cennection but then again what about soaking wet substrates and second d flush fruits after a dunk? That's why I'm saying idk what to make of it..


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Mateja]
    #25525829 - 10/09/18 11:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I've had issues with getting small fruit especially with the dub tub technique. Same culture as other fat fruit that I do in tubs. Only difference is the tub has way less FAE.  All my boxes have fruit that only go to small thin crack where the two containers meet.  All of them across different variations and conditions would stop right at that crack.

I think it's FAE that determines it,  and not like CO2 build up,  but more like air currents.  I think the fruit body can tell if there is "sufficient" air current. It seams kind of logical,
why keep growing up and up when you could put that energy to spore production?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #25526001 - 10/10/18 02:30 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Second flush from my b+ shoe box, going to harvest tomorrow. Waiting to get another print off a couple after they tear their veils.



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: MH5109]
    #25526452 - 10/10/18 09:44 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I lost half my stack of shoeboxes in the past few weeks. From 12 to 6. The last 6 look good, see some knots, but are taking forever to pin. Should I up FAE? I fan em once a day now. lids arent snug either.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #25527164 - 10/10/18 02:40 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

B+ "umbro" clone pinning HARD... tmrw will be fun... found a single pin, a few primordia, and a couple of what looks like blobs trying to start in the PE6... nothing to look at yet, but I was excited



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25527214 - 10/10/18 03:01 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Dialed in and looking good for MS LC. I wanted to let these go a bit longer but it needed to happen sooner rather than later. No additives except gypsum in the grain and the coir 2:1 grain.









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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: proxzy]
    #25527256 - 10/10/18 03:17 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Ratios are generally spawn:substrate mix... (I guess bc we generate spawn first maybe?) Looking good!


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #25527320 - 10/10/18 03:41 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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I lost half my stack of shoeboxes in the past few weeks. From 12 to 6. The last 6 look good, see some knots, but are taking forever to pin. Should I up FAE? I fan em once a day now. lids arent snug either.




I wouldn't.

I leave the lids latched while I wait for a pinset. I don't up fae until mushrooms are growing. High co2 seems conducive to pin formation.

12 to 6? How'd that happen


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25527356 - 10/10/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Do you not peek Enkidu?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25527402 - 10/10/18 04:00 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I scrouch down and peek through the sides like "is anything there!?!?" :lol:

Sometimes I pop tje lid and peek though, I doubt that hurts anything much


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
    #25527409 - 10/10/18 04:02 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

A few more boxes in the pipeline, 3 from last week that I spawned 3 more today I think i'm sticking with 2-2 spawn to coir, getting a solid 2oz first flush, I might have a beast in the making:growshrooms: straggler from a tub


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Johnny.rotten]
    #25527412 - 10/10/18 04:03 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Dayummmmm son.

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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25527415 - 10/10/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Well I gotta run to the store..

Was boiling water for my coir then turns out I don't have any coir


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25527491 - 10/10/18 04:26 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

You lose any built up CO2  (if any)when you remove the lid lol... I'd like to narrow down if it's a slower evaporation rate initially that forms good pinset: as I'm having a hard time imagining my shoeboxes building CO2  (loose lids, high traffic area)... :takingnotes:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25527541 - 10/10/18 04:46 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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You lose any built up CO2  (if any)when you remove the lid lol... I'd like to narrow down if it's a slower evaporation rate initially that forms good pinset: as I'm having a hard time imagining my shoeboxes building CO2  (loose lids, high traffic area)... :takingnotes:





This simple demonstration will help you visualize how heavy CO2 is compared to Oxygen. This is why shoeboxes need to be fanned (in my experience), because the CO2 builds up and pushes any oxygen out of the box. A great experiment would be to try and put out a candle with a shoebox that has been allowed to build up CO2.



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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: proxzy]
    #25527596 - 10/10/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I like to have high CO2 when the sub is colonizing,  I think it "scares" the Myc into going and developing quickly so it can find more O2. Only time I completly take the lid off is if I absolutely need to mist or for surgery. Other than that I don't break the lid until I think there needs to be pins or pins are just starting. Also I watched a you tube video (it's gone,  it was the 1 legit video Willy Myco the Shit talking SOB ever made)  where the guy put CO2 meters in 2 mono tubs. After a night he cracked the lid,  then even took the lid off and for a good minute or two there was no real change in CO2. Then with in 2 seconds of waving on the other tub, it was back to atmosphere.

So yeah,  if your are like me and like to build up CO2 until fruit time,  it's OK to crack the lid and peek.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: proxzy]
    #25527610 - 10/10/18 05:07 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think it's so heavy that opening it wouldn't create enough draft to clear at least a good portion of it(from a shoebox anyways) ... And there's the heat generated by the substrate to contend with as well... neat video though


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