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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25379472 - 08/10/18 11:45 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I'm open to the possibility of it being an infection or some goof up, I just have a hunch its just the way this "genetics" grows.  Maybe I isolated the little gene that causes it in my three agar transfers, I really don't know...the spores from this came from another one of the first shoeboxes I grew, that had the exact same thing goin on. 

I'll definately take some long hard looks at my sterile technique, maybe it is some kind of technique issue....I might also think its the WBS I used, the cheapest store brand with cracked corn and all kinds of other weird stuff, some exploded grains....but from a different clone on agar on the same substrate, I got this



So I just don't know...thanks for your reply, Leuitenant.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25379484 - 08/10/18 11:51 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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That's wild lookin man. I haven't had AA+ look anything like that. Blue caps do happen from bruise or aborts, but not like that. Clone it?



Oh yea im 100% gonna clone these things. Im so curious whats going on with these now lol. What about them is it that looks wierd to you guys? Is there any way i can tell for sure that its APE and not AA+? The spawn did colonize kinda slow, but once opened everything seemed nice and healthy. Could a contamination like bacteria or something make them look weird?



I had a pseudomonas bacteria infect a couple APE grows recently and its looked alot like that, caps odd colors, some extremely dark,eventually got worse and ruined a god bit of mush.  I picked all the infected fruits and cut back on misting and got some nice fruits but it eventually grew to a cat and mouse game and I just threw them out to start fresh.  To the right of the tub I see a spot on a cap that looks identical of the start of what mine looked like befor it progressed, hopefully its just genetics or environmental conditions



Damn that would be a major bummer. Is there anyway ill be able to tell for sure if its bacteria as the fruits mature? Does it completely ruin the fruits? Just checked on the tubs again and the caps look exactly the same in color, but are definitely still growing rapidly. In person, some of the caps have a beige color to them, some are beige with a little light blue mixed in, and some are just straight up dark blue.



With ape Ive seen it turn fruits yellowish, when it gets bad it was obvious.  I still kept some of the fruits that were slightly off colored but as it got worse decided not to keep most of them.  I believe as long as you use a dehydrator the heat will kill the bacteria and if your still worried make tea with boiling water.  I've got quite a bit so really haven't been tempted to eat the ones from those tubs.  How often are you misting?  It gets worse when the caps stay wet, maybe increase fae if you think its to wet


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Canharo]
    #25379485 - 08/10/18 11:54 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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With ape Ive seen it turn fruits yellowish, when it gets bad it was obvious.  I still kept some of the fruits that were slightly off colored but as it got worse decided not to keep most of them.  I believe as long as you use a dehydrator the heat will kill the bacteria and if your still worried make tea with boiling water.  I've got quite a bit so really haven't been tempted to eat the ones from those tubs.  How often are you misting?  It gets worse when the caps stay wet, maybe increase fae if you think its to wet




I havent misted these tubs at all. They've been maintaining pretty good moisture without the need to mist at all. I just flipped the lids once it was time for fruiting. Does over misting usually cause the pseudomonas bacteria? I researched pseudomonas bacteria and it looks like the first signs of it are brown spots on the stem/cap, however im not seeing anything like that anywhere.

EDIT: Also, these tubs are AA+ not APE. At least thats what they're supposed to be lol.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25379494 - 08/10/18 12:07 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

No misting does not cause it, just helps spread it, and yeah like I said as it progressed my caps went from white-yellow/beigh-brown/yellow spots-rotting. Yeah could be bacterial, could be environmental, etc. Honestly I wouldn't sweat it unless it gets worse or spreads to other grows


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: naturalistic123]
    #25379834 - 08/10/18 03:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Has anybody else come accross this?  I've done a fairly big spawn run and have about ten shoeboxes just like this in varying stages of growth.  They were all ms to agar, agar transferred three times, then transferred to WBS.  Just wondering if anyone else has ever gotten this stuff.




I thought my pan cyans overlay was fucked up. That is insane.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Asura]
    #25379912 - 08/10/18 03:57 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

2nd flush of my first APE box is coming in.
Not as plentiful as I had hoped,but some nice fat Ape "toes" growing. :multicoloredfoot:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25380203 - 08/10/18 06:21 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I posted this in the AA+ thread as well but figured id post it here as well for some mixed opinions.

Im growing my first run of AA+ right now using shoeboxes with 2 quarts each. Im noticing that pretty much all of the caps have a blue-ish hue to them, almost like they've been bruised. Some are so blue that they almost look black. Is this normal, and if so what causes this? Also, what do you guys think of the pinset? Its not as dense as some of my past ones, however, the fruits are by far the fattest ive ever seen.



Towards the bottom left of the tub you can see the super fat mushroom with the almost blue/black looking cap that i mentioned. Id almost think it was an abort if it wasnt getting so fat/still growing.



Just popped the dub tub off for another look at those weird looking AA+'s, and they are starting to grow pretty rapidly now. The caps are just barely starting to open up, so i think these are gonna be some pretty nicely sized fruits. The caps range from beige, to sky blue, to dark blue, however none of them seem to be aborts. The stems are incredibly fat and thick.


Not the best picture, but you can see good enough i hope.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25380217 - 08/10/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Crazy looking... clone for sure... will you be printing or swabbing?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25380222 - 08/10/18 06:33 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Niiiice. You gonna let it run a second flush? I wonder how fat those would be...


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Psicomb]
    #25380250 - 08/10/18 06:53 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Crazy looking... clone for sure... will you be printing or swabbing?



Oh yea ill definitely be doing both. These stems are so fat cloning them will probably be a breeze lol. I'm gonna try to get a good amount of prints too. Maybe I'll do some of my first trades with them :awesomenod:
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Niiiice. You gonna let it run a second flush? I wonder how fat those would be...



Thanks. Yea ill let these run until they stop producing fruits lol. Usually I let my tubs go to around flush 5-6 before putting them outside.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy] * 1
    #25380374 - 08/10/18 08:03 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I was worried about this box a few days ago..
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This APE is looking....different:shrug2:

,but still starting to knot.:shrug:


Guess we'll see.:super:




It's starting to look pretty good.  :awesomenod:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25380424 - 08/10/18 08:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe I'll do some of my first trades with them :awesomenod:



I want in...
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It's starting to look pretty good.  :awesomenod:




Yeeeaaahhh man!


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25380701 - 08/10/18 10:52 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe I'll do some of my first trades with them :awesomenod:



I want in...




You got it :super: As long as everything goes to plan ill be sure to let you know when the prints are ready. Ill probably make a post on here when im harvesting and stuff too. I am now just beginning to see the veil a tiny bit on some of them :girlishjoy:


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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25380836 - 08/11/18 02:30 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys! Currently been readying this thread for well over 4 days in a row before bed haha. Love it! Beginner here but with a crazy love for this hobby just 1 year in to it. Get my self a Greenhouse, Built my own humidifier and have had just a hand full of successful Cubensis growth under my belt.

But I knew I would not give up!
Anyways, for a long time I tried and look at different fruiting chambers and after a small successful grow in a 30L SGFC I knew I needed to go to bulk.
Failed with a mini monotub my first try a few month back and it hit me hard..
Like I think it does for most people losing a project, especially your first bulk.

Months later I found it... SHOE-BOXES! 1 Month after that and here we are- I wanted to thank everyone here and especially the OP.

Here is 10 minutes ago my first (what I consider at my stage of cultivating) to be a decent pinset, enough to make me over excited when I saw them this morning! Will be cloning from one of the cluster for sure and keep you guys updated in a few days what they look like.

Currently on page 223 so let me read up to you guys. Peach



Btw, one tray also not a shoebox. Just my best pinset every so far so couldn't help to show it to you guys. Much love!


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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: Puduwoke]
    #25380937 - 08/11/18 05:21 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

So I just checked all of my shoeboxes. I have two that just finished there first flush and we’re soaked for there second flush a few days ago. I go in there today and both of those ones have trich now. Is this from bad spawn most likely if it trichs out before the second flush?


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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: Legend21]
    #25380941 - 08/11/18 05:33 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Puduwoke said:
Hey guys! Currently been readying this thread for well over 4 days in a row before bed haha. Love it! Beginner here but with a crazy love for this hobby just 1 year in to it. Get my self a Greenhouse, Built my own humidifier and have had just a hand full of successful Cubensis growth under my belt.

But I knew I would not give up!
Anyways, for a long time I tried and look at different fruiting chambers and after a small successful grow in a 30L SGFC I knew I needed to go to bulk.
Failed with a mini monotub my first try a few month back and it hit me hard..
Like I think it does for most people losing a project, especially your first bulk.

Months later I found it... SHOE-BOXES! 1 Month after that and here we are- I wanted to thank everyone here and especially the OP.

Here is 10 minutes ago my first (what I consider at my stage of cultivating) to be a decent pinset, enough to make me over excited when I saw them this morning! Will be cloning from one of the cluster for sure and keep you guys updated in a few days what they look like.

Currently on page 223 so let me read up to you guys. Peach



Btw, one tray also not a shoebox. Just my best pinset every so far so couldn't help to show it to you guys. Much love!



23 posts? Where ya been? Lol, congrats!

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So I just checked all of my shoeboxes. I have two that just finished there first flush and we’re soaked for there second flush a few days ago. I go in there today and both of those ones have trich now. Is this from bad spawn most likely if it trichs out before the second flush?



More than likely yes


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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: Caps McGee]
    #25381031 - 08/11/18 06:59 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I figured bad spawn might be a factor. Or the fact that I have all of my tubs in my old grow closet that I just shut down trich city probably :rofl: I might try putting some tubs back in my other spot and see which ones tam and which ones don’t.


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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: Legend21]
    #25381218 - 08/11/18 08:47 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Spawned my first shoebox last night.



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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: ttching8475]
    #25381230 - 08/11/18 08:54 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Spawned my first shoebox last night.





Nice!
Are those containers spawned sub as well?Those look fun.:awesomenod:


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Re: Making shoe-boxes [Re: mushroomnate]
    #25381324 - 08/11/18 09:48 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Spawned my first shoebox last night.





Nice!
Are those containers spawned sub as well?Those look fun.:awesomenod:




They are. Instead of taking Pods tek to 6 flushes w/ cased straight RGS, I'm running half the grains per container instead spawned 1:1 using Violet's casing recipe for my sub, so approximately 1/2 cup of each per pod. So far I'm getting more weight per container using this variation on the tek, but I haven't calculated how the BE's compare yet. The last generation I pseudo-cased. This batch I'm running without.

Trying out a SB now as well as I had more spawn ready than available shelf space for it to be split up into pods, but just enough room for one box. I'm excited to see how this culture performs in it.


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