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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: 3777777]
    #25375878 - 08/08/18 07:58 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Did you check for field capacity.

Honestly does look dry to me but I can't gaursntee visual inspection is accurate.

Usually lighter is dryer and darker is weter

I check for field capacity then don't mist until after pins myself, but I also don't pop the lid until after pins usually


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25375911 - 08/08/18 08:26 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

After trying to guide somebody through pics, I can verify that surface moisture is very difficult to convey through photos.  :laugh:

Edit: with coir though, darker is usually more "cooked" (bucket tek, etc)

Edit 2: that coir casing definitely looks dry, and also not cooked at all.

Edit 3: sorry, wine drunk for the first time in almost 2 months.  Apparently I've turned into a lightweight.  :laugh:


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25375957 - 08/08/18 09:04 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks. I thought it looked a bit dry when i made it but i was following a few guides on here and they all said around the same amount of water for the weight i used so i didnt want to over do it. Ill try misting it a bit hopefully it helps


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: 3777777]
    #25376009 - 08/08/18 09:37 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

You need to check for field capacity


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25376329 - 08/09/18 12:56 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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You need to check for field capacity




Is there a way for me to check it now after its spawned and colonizing and adjust accordingly?
In future i will check it first obviously. Just didnt want to over do it when all the guides and even the instructions on the packet said pretty much the same thing.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: 3777777]
    #25376363 - 08/09/18 01:56 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Your sub looks dry to me 37. Is there any condensation under the lid or on the walls of the box? If not I would mist it and check it again in a few hours.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #25376481 - 08/09/18 05:22 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

The thick bright white spot not concern anyone else?


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: RomeoPapa]
    #25376524 - 08/09/18 06:01 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Your sub looks dry to me 37. Is there any condensation under the lid or on the walls of the box? If not I would mist it and check it again in a few hours.




There was a bit of condensation on the lid but not a lot. I misted it a few hours ago and have more droplets on the lid and walls now.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: 3777777]
    #25376573 - 08/09/18 06:49 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

But if u didn't add enough water to the sub when u made it, the coir can still be dry. Condensation is from temp difference. It does look a little dry. Usually 3.5 quarts of water is the right amount for a 650g brick of coir. If u add Verm do 4 quarts


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nube424]
    #25376840 - 08/09/18 09:30 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

No way to check for field capacity now, nope.

The white just looked like myc to me I could be wrong.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
    #25376873 - 08/09/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Comparing shoebox results for part of my MSS>Grains attempts. Both from same syringe. This is pretty much the norm of what I've been seeing out of the tubs that made it to fruiting. Still not fan. I did G2G a very healthy looking jar, maybe they'll come out a little better.

PE6 MSS>Oat


PE6 MSS>BRF


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25377007 - 08/09/18 10:33 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Those look fine to me? U used multispore


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: nube424]
    #25377024 - 08/09/18 10:42 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I know it doesn't mean much because it's ms and not a clone, but so far I've fruited about 5 tubs of syringe>grain and they all have less coverage(notice all the empty pinless space) and less weight than my brf tubs. So not only am I losing about 25-33% of the jars I make that way, but the ones that do fruit just aren't as good.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25377100 - 08/09/18 11:18 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I know it doesn't mean much because it's ms and not a clone, but so far I've fruited about 5 tubs of syringe>grain and they all have less coverage(notice all the empty pinless space) and less weight than my brf tubs. So not only am I losing about 25-33% of the jars I make that way, but the ones that do fruit just aren't as good.



My results have been the exact opposite so far. Ive used brf and grain, and both times used the exact same coir recipe. With BRF i noticed that i had basically no surface moisture and needed to mist very frequently. The BRF also had a fairly good pinset but nothing special (My avatar picture). However now that ive switched to grain, I have tons of surface moisture and my pinsets are at least double as dense as the BRF.

4 BRF cakes:2 quarts coir


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25377116 - 08/09/18 11:29 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Are you using agar to get a clean culture? My MSA>Grain tubs are good. The whole point of this experiment is to see how a Syringe straight into the grains goes.

If you aren't using agar, maybe you're better at running your tubs now, then you were when you worked the brf.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25377129 - 08/09/18 11:34 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Surface conditions man. Try a top layer or a casing.

Honestly is probly genetic cuz they look healthy. We're all 5 tubs the same variety? Have u read comebackkids "surface conditions" thread? He uses low amounts of fae to get a good pin set and increases fae AFTER so they grow healthy. Maybe try that. Just keep the lid on till it fills in with pins, mist only if it needs it.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25377131 - 08/09/18 11:35 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Some pics from the last time I did MSS -> Grain. I have a few jars now that are ready to spawn soon





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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25377151 - 08/09/18 11:40 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Are you using agar to get a clean culture? My MSA>Grain tubs are good. The whole point of this experiment is to see how a Syringe straight into the grains goes.

If you aren't using agar, maybe you're better at running your tubs now, then you were when you worked the brf.



Oh yea i didnt notice that part of your post. I use agar to get a clean culture, and then use that agar to make a liquid culture. Im definitely better at running my tubs now, but for some reason the surface conditions are extremely noticeably better than with the brf in my experience. Brf had zero visual droplets of moisture on the surface, but my grain tubs are completely covered in large droplets and dont require any misting at all. Not sure if its just a coincidence or what but grains work much better in my case.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: pixelpopper]
    #25377156 - 08/09/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Surface conditions man. Try a top layer or a casing.



Yea I agree, if you're fighting keeping it moist, try top layer. That made all my stuff get nice pinsets. 4brf cakes in a shoebox should pop.

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Some pics from the last time I did MSS -> Grain. I have a few jars now that are ready to spawn soon






That's awesome man. A part of my results could be some more bad spawn I missed or some other detail I'm missing. I have a tub of G2G's from a jar I thought was really clean, maybe my results will be better with those.


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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: LtLurker]
    #25377168 - 08/09/18 11:46 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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That's awesome man. A part of my results could be some more bad spawn I missed or some other detail I'm missing. I have a tub of G2G's from a jar I thought was really clean, maybe my results will be better with those.





There are lots of factors in play. None of my recent shoeboxes from agar cultures have been as good as those MSS boxes :justdontknow:


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