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Newbie8998

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Caps McGee said: Nice little harvest for GT shoebox I thought was toast... I'm thinking it was too wet, bc when I switched them over,I saw pins in 12 hours (After 5 days of nothing) I'm thinking this is technically 3rd flush, as there were several aborts harvested last night...
 
Nice one, that 3rd pic is epic!
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ttching8475
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25366356 - 08/04/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushroomnate said: I have my fingers crossed that these 2nd flush APE knots fill in. I kinda blew the sub up plucking the first flush.

My PE tub is the same I tore it all up trying to get the blobs. It seems to be pinning now for the second flush but some look like they will abort. I think they need a lot more moisture.

2nd flush dunk?
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Caps McGee
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Newbie8998 said: Nice one, that 3rd pic is epic!
Lol, total accident,but I thought it was near, so I went with it
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flyhighfunguy


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Caps McGee said: I spawn to"fruiting conditions " (flipped lid) in tubs and shoeboxes, with faster and better results than with a colonization period... don't take my word though, check bod' s posts out, I think he updated the post, but if not, it's in the comments somewhere... now calling it "growing conditions ", as we've been increasing FAE from gate
Are you still able to use the same coir recipe and everything, and do you still get good moisture on the surface of your substrate when you spawn to a flipped lid? Do you have to mist a lot more often as opposed to leaving the lid shut? Right now what i do is leave it closed with the lid snapped on until its around 90-100% colonized, and then i flip the lid. During the first flush i have not needed to mist at all recently, however i do usually get a few side pins. Maybe flipping the lid right away at spawning would help fix the side pin issue?
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Caps McGee
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I use coir only in fact... Surface moisture typically doesn't show (for me) until a few days after full colonization of the surface,and doesn't crank up until after pins... usually staring at it, but when left alone, I've misted once for first flush near the end,and may not have been necessary... Captain shadow (featured in bod' s tek I believe) had a tub intentionally neglected for 19 days flipped lid with great results... though I can't say for sure if it was from spawn, but 19 days?!? if your tub seems like it drys quickly, or has too much a gap, you can leave it unsnapped with similar results (I don't use the same tubs as tek,and some of them do fine just shut, no latches) it's also very humid in my area, and your climate will have effect on your conditions (obviously, but these things often go without consideration with teks) ritual practice with consistent results in one area/climate, may not replicate in another, just gotta play! Fortunately, you can keep eyes on it, and make small changes to accommodate FAE and rh needs... this is termed "dialing in", and once you've got it, and figured out how to read surface condition, it's Patty cake!
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Legend21
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mushroomnate said: I have my fingers crossed that these 2nd flush APE knots fill in. I kinda blew the sub up plucking the first flush.

My PE tub is the same I tore it all up trying to get the blobs. It seems to be pinning now for the second flush but some look like they will abort. I think they need a lot more moisture.

2nd flush dunk?
I soaked it four about four hours full of water and that didnβt seem to help at all
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Caps McGee
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25366695 - 08/04/18 03:22 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bottom water overnight... But PE may (does I'm sure) differ from PE6 a bit... may require 24 hour "dunk" (though a bottom water and heavy misting would suffice, rather than placing heavy objects to submerge)
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3777777
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Hey guys, Making my first shoebox. I have a 5L shoebox and 4 half pint BRF jars that are colonized. I am a bit confused about the different ratios and amounts of Coir/Verm.
How much in grams or cups of coir and verm should i have and is that before or after adding water in the bucket? IU have a brick of coir that is 650g and says makes up to 9L. Thanks
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Caps McGee
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: 3777777]
#25367142 - 08/04/18 08:01 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Use as much substrate as spawn for 1:1 ratio (best bet, fastest colonization) or twice as much for 1:2... I'd cut the brick in 4th's and use a little less then a qt of water for one 4th... this may still be too much , so measure out (with a jar) 4 half pints (2qts) of substrate (one qt coir, one qt verm if you wanna mix, though many of us prefer straight coir)
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flyhighfunguy


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For people that have grown Penis envy in shoeboxes, do you find that a 2 quart sub: 2 quart spawn ratio holds moisture better than a 1 quart:1 quart? I have 6 jars of APE, and am trying to decide if i should do 3 shoeboxes with 2 quarts each in them, or 6 shoeboxes with 1 quart each. Do you guys see any major differences with the amount of misting or anything?
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Caps McGee said: I use coir only in fact... Surface moisture typically doesn't show (for me) until a few days after full colonization of the surface,and doesn't crank up until after pins... usually staring at it, but when left alone, I've misted once for first flush near the end,and may not have been necessary... Captain shadow (featured in bod' s tek I believe) had a tub intentionally neglected for 19 days flipped lid with great results... though I can't say for sure if it was from spawn, but 19 days?!? if your tub seems like it drys quickly, or has too much a gap, you can leave it unsnapped with similar results (I don't use the same tubs as tek,and some of them do fine just shut, no latches) it's also very humid in my area, and your climate will have effect on your conditions (obviously, but these things often go without consideration with teks) ritual practice with consistent results in one area/climate, may not replicate in another, just gotta play! Fortunately, you can keep eyes on it, and make small changes to accommodate FAE and rh needs... this is termed "dialing in", and once you've got it, and figured out how to read surface condition, it's Patty cake!
Alright sweet, maybe next run ill try out a tub with the lid flipped, and a tub with the lid just resting on top. If that fixed my side pin problem that would be incredible. Definitely worth a shot. Thanks for the help
Edited by flyhighfunguy (08/05/18 10:46 AM)
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3777777
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Caps McGee said: Use as much substrate as spawn for 1:1 ratio (best bet, fastest colonization) or twice as much for 1:2... I'd cut the brick in 4th's and use a little less then a qt of water for one 4th... this may still be too much , so measure out (with a jar) 4 half pints (2qts) of substrate (one qt coir, one qt verm if you wanna mix, though many of us prefer straight coir)
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Thanks for this. I cut the brick in half and mixed it with 1.5L of water and it eventually all broke up but in the guides i read it looked a lot wetter in the pictures. I ended up going with 1:2 ratio cause im away for work the next 10 days so i don't mind it taking a bit longer to colonize. Hopefully its ready when i get back. Thanks again.
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Smooby2
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: 3777777]
#25367506 - 08/05/18 01:54 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay. I really like the dub method. Going to try this for my first bulk grow(if you wanna call it that lol) 2 half pint pf jars broken up really fine should be enough per box correct? Also, should I use a casing layer on top?
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Smooby2] 1
#25367621 - 08/05/18 06:27 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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mushroomnate
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Smooby2 said: Okay. I really like the dub method. Going to try this for my first bulk grow(if you wanna call it that lol) 2 half pint pf jars broken up really fine should be enough per box correct? Also, should I use a casing layer on top?
I personally go 3 or better yet 4 cakes per shoebox. I have seen others do 2 cakes,and it works,but your yield may suffer. Try going for a 1:2 ratio of broken up/grated pf cake to coir.(4 cakes to 2 qts prepped coir) good luck!
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flyhighfunguy


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For people that have grown Penis envy in shoeboxes, do you find that a 2 quart sub: 2 quart spawn ratio holds moisture better than a 1 quart:1 quart? I have 6 jars of APE, and am trying to decide if i should do 3 shoeboxes with 2 quarts each in them, or 6 shoeboxes with 1 quart each. Do you guys see any major differences with the amount of misting or anything?
Anyone got any thoughts on that ^^^? Ive got one jar that is pretty much ready to spawn, and some others following close behind. Im not sure if i should wait a little so i can spawn 2 quarts to each tub, or if i should just spawn each individual quart to its own tub.
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RomeoPapa
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Do 4 shoe boxes maybe. 2 with one quart and 2 with two quarts. Then you decide which way you like better.
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Legend21
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: RomeoPapa]
#25368034 - 08/05/18 11:03 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hereβs some penis envy have one cluster and one upside down mutant
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Caps McGee
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Legend21]
#25368044 - 08/05/18 11:10 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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RomeoPapa said: Do 4 shoe boxes maybe. 2 with one quart and 2 with two quarts. Then you decide which way you like better.
play around with sub mixes and amounts until you find one that suits your climate and cult style
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They're pretty neat!
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flyhighfunguy


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RomeoPapa said: Do 4 shoe boxes maybe. 2 with one quart and 2 with two quarts. Then you decide which way you like better.
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Caps McGee said:
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RomeoPapa said: Do 4 shoe boxes maybe. 2 with one quart and 2 with two quarts. Then you decide which way you like better.
play around with sub mixes and amounts until you find one that suits your climate and cult style
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Legend21 said:

They're pretty neat!

That sounds like a pretty good plan, maybe ill try that out.
Ive heard that penis envy usually requires a little bit more moisture than other cubensis variteties. I usually use equal parts spawn/sub in my tubs. Would you guys recommend upping the sub a little to maybe a 1:2 ratio?
Edited by flyhighfunguy (08/05/18 02:17 PM)
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Caps McGee
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I see a lot of these guys casing PE once colonized...
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